CMP to SUR Conversion Tests
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Time to learn how to use Milkshape properly, rather than as an import/export tool.
Bugger… you mean i have to actually do some work?? lolz :lol:
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Xarian, heaven forbid that you should have to work
I must once again agree with ST, its frustrating being so close to having it done and then it dieing off.
Thanks as always though to those that put in their all.
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It’s only work when you don’t enjoy it
& I’ve never once not enjoyed it.
Playing with ms3d is fun…Just wish there were more hours per solar rotation… or i clone myself… then I at least wouldn’t have a problem with sur’s… it’s all about time for me… If a ship is chewing up precious modding time, it get’s put aside or worked on in parts (over a few days/weeks)… a working sur clicky thing would go along way to speed up the last stages of conversion & be one less thing to worry about.
It’s just such a blastedly mind-bending format to grasp… when its not your only worry, Here’s to some agreement and further advancement in this area
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The project is available to be worked on in 2 places, here at the Forge and also on my site. Here is the one BW was working on 0.003 and on my site is the one I gave him to work on 0.002…
Feel free to take on the project, I’m not going to stop you. As far as the 3-4 hour fix, umm, not. I spent 2 months trying to get it to properly wrap a model to no avail.
The program needs to be rebuilt anyways, for one the heavy memory footprint needs to be reduced. This means the file io class needs revamping to remove the preset arrays. The UTF handler needs to be rewritten to use growable arrays as well. And also it needs the insert node problem fixed (why the mesh remapper sometimes works, it inserts new nodes).
The code to build this type of progam is already available here and on the web. The UTF editor can be used for the utf code, the sur format was posted earlier in this thread and on my website in tutorials. The convex hull creation can be had from a program called qhull (my code is built from scratch but qhull is actually in part of FL, there are others such as the 3DFlame stuff)…
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StarTrader wrote:
Someone else suddenly threw in animation and hardpoints - forget it. That is moving the goalpost and I am against that.whats the problem with animations?
afaik its all in the cmp, the sur just needs a group linked to the cmp group name.
ive had no problems getting baydoors to work with the splicer.
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Lancer -
Thanks for replying.
No I’m not asking for so much work. I’m trying to help you dump it by accepting less.
This is the third/fourth time I repeat myself:-
I’m only asking for these for the existing version of builder:
1. Issue a message if less than 8 vertices & skip the sur build for that cmp group. So the modder knows which groups he has to rework.
2. Squish a sphere 1m round the ship if the shield bubble option is selected.
I believe you started by squishing spheres round parts? So you have the method already.
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+1
the program is allready good
with these two options he will be excellenton my side the amount of memory used is not so catastrophic
i’m almost sure that all the moders have a good amount of RAM
so don’t waste your time on this, i’m sure you have more interesting to do
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Lancer’s not going to do hardpoints RimShot, it’s already been dumped because he has so many other projects on the go.
I’m just trying to get LS to make these small changes and then dump it, so at least we know by messages when a model hasn’t been sur’d instead of having to inspect it closely, and get a shield bubble option for when we want one, on a small ship.
So - LS:
Please read post #552 above, please.
Can we get it this afternoon please?
Pretty please with sugar on the top?
A sweet potato too?
A model Shaguar car?
??
Then I will leave you in peace and go hibernate for the winter.
Read post #552 please!
If you post below this one then please copy this message (Read post #552 please!) into your post so Lancer can find what I want him to read or he will not even read it.
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This topic is getting more and more
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Just to shift focus a little, I’ve put up an update to msSURImporter. The center of each surface now has its own group; 3db surs are called S1_Model; and materials are prefixed with “s_”.
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Adoxa, thanks for the updated importer.
What’s the purpose of the centres?
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Thanks, good idea.
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So - I think I have waited long enough for any movement on the Sur Builder, this is now another dead project.
Yet again another one so close - yet unfinished.
I can’t see your side for not completing it at all, Lancer Solurus. If it were me I couldn’t leave it when it is so close, it would have been a matter of personal pride to complete it for me having made it to where it is now.
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I am currently learning for tests (University) so until I wrote those you wont hear from me. I am only doing things which I am in the mood for until then.
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Don’t worry Schmackbolzen, my criticism is for the Sur Builder being killed off, not for your offer.
I and many others will appreciate your sur exporter plugin when you are ready to try it, I know real life is always first for all of us. Adoxa also had an intention to write a new exporter plugin, maybe by working together you can succeed.
Good luck and many thanks.
