Yes, I'm On Starport Now After All That Fighting

sighs

From a long time player of Freelancer: Will you idiots just stop this? I saying both sides. Everyone that is/was involved in this stupid little “War” about whose the frak knows what/how it started.

You all want to keep Freelancer United, however…look at what your doing. Your slaughtering each other over pointless things, things that happened in the past. Who the frak cares anymore? Seriously do you numskulls think you can continue the pointless fighting on nearly every community forum?

Seriously people stop the fighting it’s getting old your not going to unite Freelancer by squabbling over things that happened in the past. Personally, I don’t care which side started it. The fact of the matter is you (ALL Of you) need to stop complaining and start working together.

TLR aren’t the aggressors in this, It’s everyone that gets involved: SWAT, FL Community, The Starport, TLR, every community that has a bone to pick with each other.

I’ve been on the sidelines for long enough to state my opinion, if you idiots want to flame me about it then go ahead.

So much for “Uniting Freelancer”  sighs

@MentalChaos:

No FF no one is going to do anything , alfa after all you did what go behind my back and try to screw me yeah thanks ass your one of the reasons, and torch please you want to talk about money you were the first on to ask what happend to the donation eraser had . . hypocrite. you ppl took my time this is my way of getting my time back and BJ you can kiss my ass. and the rest bite me I dont even want to waste any more energy on you fucking ppl.

I would not of had to ask you where the donations went Mental, get your facts straight. I knew Louva used the last of them to buy vbullentin, so I’m not sure where you are going with that. So take your anger, your hostility and put it where the sun don’t shine. You should be ashamed of yourself. The name of lancers reactor on ebay……is just disgusting, but hey, its yours do what you want with it.

@Alfa:

…I was going to say something, but after that, I don’t have anything to say. Shade is completely right.

Thank you.

@Torch:

@MentalChaos:

No FF no one is going to do anything , alfa after all you did what go behind my back and try to screw me yeah thanks ass your one of the reasons, and torch please you want to talk about money you were the first on to ask what happend to the donation eraser had . . hypocrite. you ppl took my time this is my way of getting my time back and BJ you can kiss my ass. and the rest bite me I dont even want to waste any more energy on you fucking ppl.

I would not of had to ask you where the donations went Mental, get your facts straight. I knew Louva used the last of them to buy vbullentin, so I’m not sure where you are going with that. So take your anger, your hostility and put it where the sun don’t shine. You should be ashamed of yourself. The name of lancers reactor on ebay……is just disgusting, but hey, its yours do what you want with it.

Torch, seriously man. I might be neutral but the fact of the matter is: So what if Lancers gets sold on eBay? If it gets sold on eBay, theres plenty of other communities out there just to replace it.

None that can get the fansite link on MS’s page. None that can get the ranking TLR took years to build up on Google.

The TLR name is just that; a name. However, it’s a name that newbies will look for since it’s the only site that’s ever going to show up no matter where they look. Search for “Freelancer” in Google and tell me where FLC, SWAT and SP stand. I haven’t had the patience to get to them just yet.

As for the rest, I won’t fight anymore with any one of you guys. Go scream how hypocrite and mad we are, I couldn’t give a shit to be honest. Those who are here know what happened already, so you’re just venting steam off for no reason.

You know, its weird how everyone always talks about working together etc. blah blah, but in the end there is a major split in the community: Those who are random users and dont know about the “hacking” background of TLR admins, then the ones who know about it all and therefore cannot team up with TLR in any way, and then the ones who see it in a practical way (dont care, do a “fresh” start).
TBH I saw it like the last group, dont care, lets look to the future. But reality has often corrected my view: AzzA did prove not to change so many times up till now, its not even funny, and large parts of the community who got attacked wont ever “forgive” TLR.

I would actually have LIKED to see TLR get sold, simply for the reason that all the bullshit comes to an end. A “forced fresh start” so to say.

But here we are yet again, right at the same point when AzzA and Knife took over as TLR admins for the first time under hider nicks.

I can surely understand all the “OMG stop all the crap” opinions, but the truth is with the current situation this crap will never come to an end. And an insulting “joking” TLR owner doesnt help the situation at all.

Personally, Im pretty fed up with all this and will take a longer mental holiday

hrm yeh well we’ll probably be seeing how interracial necrophilia fits into modding in a short while. Unfortunately, I doubt newcomers will grasp how it fits into the community
Maybe MS will wake the fk up then though, eh?

And AzzA supposedly bought the domain for 2 bucks. How surprising.

Why put up all the smoke and mirrors, guys? Can’t you just do that kind of thing by yourselves?

what i see happening now is that the guy’s have a lot off attention from us all
what you think all? that its stop with hacking servers and forums?
wake up all pls
i think the only posibility is that we don’t talk about the famous guy’s anymore
and let them go there one way
when we ignore it,they get bored maby
now they have a lot off fun here

I’ve stayed quiet about all this but the fact is i’m gonna have a little rant and i don’t apologise for the terms used.

First off, i’m so sick of all this bitching that’s going on. Alfa coming along and whining about how he used to be a TLR admin and got kicked out is boring. You’re just mad at Azza. Stop goin on about it and shit stirring, something that you’re starting to do here which tbh i find offensive. Grow up and move on. WHO FUCKING CARES? Both sides in this argument need to just step back. Attitudes here at SP don’t help either, understandable though they are due to previous events. You guys here at SP need to grow up a little as well as you simply keep going on and on about this subject.

I’m not trying to defend what’s gone on in the past as Azza has admitted to some of it and its something that really is unforgivable. Having said that it really is time to move on. He’s trying to change so let’s see how this goes. We’re all supposed to be adults and its really time to start acting like it. All i see are a bunch of adults with kids attitudes, worse than 6yr olds. GROW UP!! If you don’t like what somebody is doing then move on. ITS A GAME, REMEMBER?

As for Azza trying to buy TLR, again who cares? If he’s bought it good for him. Was anyone else bidding for it from the community? No, so stop whing on about it. You had your chance, didn’t do anything about, such is life.

I see a lot of ex admins of TLR here, me included. Some have moved on other are still holding a grudge. Live with it FFS. Let TLR do its thing, SP do its thing, It really is that fuckin simple people!!!

[personal opinion]

Why don’t people see that AzzA is willing to put time and effort into TLR?
Isn’t time and effort the whole basis of a community?

Realy, bitching about azza, TLR what ever else, the childish remarks and the things what happend in the past is not going to bring this community forward what so ever, so please consider your self what YOU do for the community, think a few times over, count the hours you spend on it a week or for my part a whole year.

I am relative new to the “global” community, yes I know things happend in the past but thinking paranoia, allways thinking negative is what communities kill.

Whats the point in never forgiving? Whats the point in allways thinking in the past instead of thinking forward?
Yes things have happend, yes people involved are still around, but please think about the community as a whole instead of your own personal grudges against people.

Ok, said all this, TLR is going to stay, yes its ran by a person who did some things in the past (perhaps very recent past) but that doesn’t mean he isn’t willing to spend time effort and resources into this community.
Yes its wise to think it over, yes its good to back off a little concerning certain things.

But please people think FORWARD.

[/personal opinion]

P.S.

Im gonna look at the topic some what closer, if i see any more personal complaints harasments, needless swearing towards people i’ll lock it and delete the thread.

That’s the first sensible post i’ve seen from SP staff on this subject. Well said Worfeh.

Erm, who cares what happens to TLR? Honestly, why does this place exist if it’s only as a separatist TLR? The only reason why TLR should even be mentioned here is if they are the repeated hack attempt origins. Otherwise stop crying over spilt milk ffs… you’ll never move on, and worst still - you’ll convince your membership that you don’t actually care about this place, you only care that it’s NOT TLR, and that TLR is more important to you than here.

TLR may have a page ranking, but you can achieve the same - it was built up, as can any other site be - and what advantage does it offer? Simply put, randoms… footfall, it’s only worthwhile if you’re selling something or have adverts. So why bicker on and care about it? Seriously, would you rather inherit a site with that history, or have the satisfaction that you managed to build up something as big/popular yourselves? I know to heck which I’d want

There’s FAR more important things to be dealt with for the “community” than just a domain name. Anyone approached MS to see if they can get on the website too? Anyone asked MS to make an amendment on their web page to link to the fix for the global server?

I know it’s not representational of what actually goes on within this site - but these threads only manage to stick in the memory more than others, and taint people’s perspectives. Currently it appears you all care more about who owns a domain name for a website than anything else! Pathetic, who cares, so what, balderdash to them!

It appears a lot of folks have lots of resentments towards many members of the so called community, on all sides. You don’t have to forgive / forget - however, you can’t just sit there all your life moaning about it because that achieves nothing! Just put effort into securing this place and making it as good as you can, whilst also reaching out to be the community site you desire it to be - with links to MS website for FL if necessary

So, TLR who?

Personally, I don’t give two craps about what happens to TLR anymore,
I don’t need to visit there, I haven’t in a while,
I think that Starport is much better, but that is because I know more members most likely,

However I say if Azza is willing to put time, effort and money, however little,
Kudos to him,
TLR might get somewhere now,
and hopefully the freelancer community can stop arguing,
It has been far to long.

Ok, I was just talking to AzzA again, and I got him to stop from nuking a bunch of forums, but I have to say in his defense that whoever is attacking TLR, needs to stop. This is why he’s pissed now;

Quote
(6:33:06 AM) Aaron: Ever wondered where all the experienced modders and tool creators are and why they left lancersreactor?

Check out:

http://www.the-starport.com (new and good Freelancer community)

http://www.swat-portal.com (biggest and most active Freelancer and FL modding community on the net)

http://www.freelancercommunity.net (another nice Freelancer community)

Ask yourself why today most creators of the Freelancer tools and many modders refuse to visit and support lancersreactor.

Have fun with the links above!!!

That message is repeated to every single member joining forum.  posters ip take small guess who was doing it! 92.228.161.103

Everyone talks about stopping this mindless war, well then whoever is doing this needs to stop. He’s traced it to Firekiss and Swat, which I doubt are doing but still. I just wanted to make this clear.

If i remember right that message came from a guy called kyle… which is definitly not somebody from SWAT and also not firekiss. Im not 100% sure but i think it was sent in april 2008… at least around at that time ppl started to complain about it.
Besides that it was not the best way to publish it (on the TLR forum) i need to say that it pretty much covers the reality. You should better ask yourself if you be angry because of those facts… or if you should better be angry on those which are responsible for these facts. Lets face it - because of the TLR staff most ppl left.
Who is to blame on these facts?
Those who left?
Those who “released info” about the ppl which left?
or
Those who made them leave?

-> you shouldnt make others responsible for your mistakes

Firekiss,

Please feel free to post tutorials on The starport also (www.the-starport.net).
We have over 20 already posted (large majority from Gibbon) and we have the
entire TLR downloads section live aswell as about 70 more we have found.

Please post them here by all means. Unfortunately, I was kicked off the TLR staff
team for siding with Lancer Solours, Crazy, Wodk4, FriendlyFire, Cheese on Toast,
Torch and Sion and now all my posts get deleted or removed without warning…

Anyway, I am not ‘poaching’ you. Just asking you to also share your tutorials
with us on the excluded.

Respectfully,

R.

Cool… reading other ppls pms…
How poor is that?
Ever heard about the word “privacy”?
It is called “Private Message”… -> meaning that this is not your business (just to give you an idea of what is meant by that)
Besides that I have a prob to see whats so bad about asking him to share tutorials as TLR has no exclusive rights on this… and again it just states pure facts.

The freedom of speech is something that does not exist on TLR anymore. So far my 3 forum accounts got simply deleted without that i broke a single rule (somewhat 300 posts gone). How many ppl have been thrown out of the TLR forum because of different oppinions already? How many posts have been deleted?
Sorry but I know TLR since its beginnings… i guess i am the oldest TLR members… and I cant remember that the old admins and owners ever banned somebody for his/her oppinion or that there were deleted posts.
But meanwhile this is a standard method on that forum to supress oppinions.

What is hosted on that domain is not the old TLR any longer and i guess thats why we are here now.
To sell the domain in such a way is incredible respectless towards the FL community and the ppl which still use TLR. On the other side i can not say that i am surprised after MC voiced his oppinion about the community and that he gives a “F**K” about it a few months ago.
On the other side I need to admit that i would have gladly paid to get the chance to turn TLR into what it once was. Just so the troubles can finally stop (i fully agree to w0dk4s view here). But i guess its a bit too late for that.

Its not that we dont care about TLR. No - the opposite is the case. Nobody has a problem with the community… but there are problems with the admins/owners. If this “staff problems” wouldnt be then everything would be fine. Nobody of us has problems with the TLR users or the fact that TLR does exist.

And yes i think forward… i think forward to the next time my community gets hacked by a TLR admin.
I can understand that you guys want to move on… hey why not… but ignoring problems did never lead to something… problems need to get solved… and right now the problem is the current TLR administration which has done so much damage to the community.
You want to move on… ok lets move on but without TLR admins which hack other FL sites… seriously I want to get rid of the problems with TLR but not by closing my eyes and ignoring the threat coming from Azza and Knife.

When I decide to “move on” then I will do it because of good reasons but not because somebody is telling me to do that.
I swear to god that once this problem with the TLR administration is solved I will forget about the past and move on. I guess that should be an acceptable compromise.

In the past months the different ppl from the different FL communities (which left TLR) have lead by example when it came to the point of working together. Starport, Freelancer Community, SWAT, Digital Brilliance and all the others have layed down old grudges and solved their problems in a peaceful way. We didnt agree on everything but we respected each other and have found good solutions. We helped each other and showed that the different communities can work together.

That alone proves one thing… it is possible to solve problems but not just by ignoring them and saying “move on”.
I hope that the issues with TLR can get solved… but in the end it depends on TLR and its administration.

One problem with this statement:

You want to move on… ok lets move on but without TLR admins which hack other FL sites… seriously I want to get rid of the problems with TLR but not by closing my eyes and ignoring the threat coming from Azza and Knife.

Erm, to be blunt, what exactly can you do? You say not close your eyes, but how long have your eyes been open and just how effective has that been in protecting yourself from a hack attack? I see no evidence that “not closing my eyes” has somehow protected you…

It appears people want to either keep ensuring that the most important thing for everyone on this site is TLR and who runs it, or move on. Unless you can somehow miraculously stop the hacks, and bring normality to everyone, what’s the point in constantly finger pointing and going “omg omg omg”. It’s evident that so far this methodology hasn’t achieved much…

Personally all talk of TLR should be removed from this site, period. Any hack issues, let us know, but that’s it - who cares who’s doing the hacking - if they can’t be stopped, ignore them and hope they’ll piss off. History of the past 3 months has shown that trying to run around informing people, or dragging people, or enlightening people has achieved bugger all. Maybe just getting on with what folks are here to do and ignoring the annoying sideshow is the way forward after all

It’s not necessarily closing your eyes to them, more removing the attention you give them - which is surely part of their motivator - to annoy you.

Sorry but AzzA deserves any bad mouthing he gets.

As far as i’m concerned he can fuck off and do what he likes, I don’t give a shit.

All he has done as far as I’m concerned is fuck around with two of my favorite home servers (Both Jolt and NiMa) and possible the GLS too, two of which have gone down as result.

Sorry I can’t and WON’T forgive for that. It’s truly fucking ridiculous people can let someone get away with shit like this.

If there is a split then so be it.

From a bitter heart…

~Chili

@Chips:

Personally all talk of TLR should be removed from this site, period. Any hack issues, let us know, but that’s it - who cares who’s doing the hacking - if they can’t be stopped, ignore them and hope they’ll piss off. History of the past 3 months has shown that trying to run around informing people, or dragging people, or enlightening people has achieved bugger all. Maybe just getting on with what folks are here to do and ignoring the annoying sideshow is the way forward after all

Well , i think it has no style to remove threads whitout reason ( seems that i missed the rules about posts that include the issue “TLR”) .
But , tbh. i bored of post about TLR , i dont visit this site anymore , im here , and its not necessary to read every third threat about TLR here , even SP Admins crave for their old home and post and post ^^ .
I just ignore them , if they play on servers i actually play i ask to remove them , but thats it ^^ .

@ OPR8R , you have your own forum about TLR right , post there .

@ Chilli , it brings us not forward here at SP . The same story repeated and repeated …

@CatDog:

@Chips:

Personally all talk of TLR should be removed from this site, period. Any hack issues, let us know, but that’s it - who cares who’s doing the hacking - if they can’t be stopped, ignore them and hope they’ll piss off. History of the past 3 months has shown that trying to run around informing people, or dragging people, or enlightening people has achieved bugger all. Maybe just getting on with what folks are here to do and ignoring the annoying sideshow is the way forward after all

Well , i think it has no style to remove threads whitout reason ( seems that i missed the rules about posts that include the issue “TLR”) .
But , tbh. i bored of post about TLR , i dont visit this site anymore , im here , and its not necessary to read every third threat about TLR here , even SP Admins crave for their old home and post and post ^^ .
I just ignore them , if they play on servers i actually play i ask to remove them , but thats it ^^ .

@ OPR8R , you have your own forum about TLR right , post there .

@ Chilli , it brings us not forward here at SP . The same story repeated and repeated …

CD,

That the day would come i actualy agreed with you.

Im gonna lock this thread now, no more TLR talks on public forums on this site.
I think that what people wanted to say has been said now, but it ends here on this thread.
Any “omg TLR” post, thread will get locked from now on.
This is SP, not a TLR moaning board. Post about the things where SP initialy was inteded for. Modding, helping people with freelancer and recently also developement of some usefull tools.

As i said before.
Lets go Forward, don’t become a repeating community.