Ok, modders to work on a brand new game…

I’d suggest you supply some more info, so people can eliminate themselves ( or not) such as what file formats you’re using for ships, etc.

If the ship file format can only be exported from modeling app X, then people who dont have that can eliminate themselves from the running, or app X users can see that they might be welcome.

What kind of poly count are you looking for, what kind of rigging if any for the models, and so on, texture formats, tga jpg, dds?, is it directx based, or opengl, that sort of thing, Is there a scripting system and if so, what is it based on, or did you create your own.

In short, exactly what kind of content do you want and made with what.

More info will draw more responses.

Here’s the ptah code I use…

Ah the old Ptah Gunship… long time since i made that script.

Ok… first of all what version of FLMM are you using, then is your new mod an ‘ini copy’ mod or a ‘fully scripted’ mod?

If it’s an ini copy, with a custom resource dll, odds are the numbers generated by the xml script wont match what you have in the dll, so no text.

If its a scripted mod, you will not have a custom resource dll, so its a matter of if the version of flmm you are using supports the code I wrote.

Edit… OK, it’s generating id numbers via FLMM, so question is, where is the temp resource dll generated by FLMM ending up, you might have a problem with FLMM either not putting the dll it makes when you activate a scripted mod, in the right plac e, or creating it at all, might be a write error, caused by virtual account control in win 7/8 ( did you install FL or FLMM into a sub dir of C:/program files/ ? ), or by your copy of FLMM being corrupted, check folder write access permissions in properties-security, also, reinstall your FLMM.

Dont use flscan myself but presumably it was comiled with a microbloat visual programming env…

That means you need the appropriate 300-500kb runtime dll, these are contained in the .net installers.

Idea was that DEVELOPERS would install a .net pack, write their apps, then take advantage of the redistribution licence built in to .net to package the 300-500kb dll with their app.

Most dont, they just a) include the whole ,net installer, or b) tell you that you need .net version such and such…

1.1 - 25mb
2.0 - 50mb
3.0 - Does not exist, dotnet3.exe is just 1.1 and 2 bundled back to backl in a single 75mb installer, for xp based systems, most versions of 3 require xp with sp2 installed (250 mb)

Not sure if win-7 actually passes the xp-sp2 test, soooo 3.5, a win7-32 bit version.

Your snazzy 64 bit machine works cos it includes the .net

Your new 32 bit doesnt because its a lower grade of win-7 (starter) and microbloat classify .net as a non essential luxury addon.

As friendlyfire suggested, get the 32bit version of 3.5, if that doesnt work, see if you can find a win-7 compatible version of dotnet3.exe, as that contains 1.1 and 2.0 (file size should be about 75mb)

You can install multiple ‘versions’ as long as you install em in order.

No Quake SDK? Did you check under “ID Tech 3”?

Yeah, visible in space, vanish on landing, I’ve had this too with custom turrets, its either the lods, or the radius settings in the cmp for the weapon it’s self, like I said check the bounding info, centers and radius info for the meshes that make up the weapon itself, vmeshref, check the sample utf tree I gave above,

Basically the game is deciding your turrets are too far away to draw, when seen on the landing pad etc…

You said they were capship turret replacements, will they be player buyable in the final mod? will the capships be planted landing capable?

If they are only going to be seen in space, then you dont really need to fix their planetscape appearance at all…

Up to you really.

I took the liberty of saving the png to my disk to have a look at the file…

Background colour is a medium gray, the alpha channel looks fine, and when viewd in an image viewer, and in an editing app, the image looks as it should, doesn’t seem to be anything wrong with it.

Have you tried uploading it to any other web gallery, see how it looks on their site with their gallery code, might be just a glitch in the code here connected with auto-resizing.

DPI 2? Strange but shouldnt make a difference,

Whoa… ‘original colours 16.7 million 64 bits per pixel’

Max render? what engine you using and what damm weird file save settings

Was it a multi pass render?

As in has your setup somehow shoved two 32bit rgba layers into a single file…

Maximum oddness…

Kill the file and rerender, check your settings before saving, failing that run it through some cheap image viewing/conversion util like irfanview, load and resave, to get a clean 32bit rgba image. Then reupload

Thats your problem right there, 64bit png…

Guessing here (long long long time since I used max) that this is some ‘advanced multipass render’ format variation, couple of extra 8bit channels in there, spec or zbuffer or who knows what, far as I know most browsers wont support that, they like vanilla 32bit rgba.

So… what else might cause a ctd when an npc uses a tradelane in your camera view…

Bearing in mind, on my system the fx are still strictly vanilla for this…

Win 7 related?

drive read error on a dll?

Tricky one to answer.

When you say they don’t show up, is that

a) don’t show up in the equipment dealer sales window

b) don’t show up in cut scenes and landing sequences

c) don’t show up in space during normal flight

or

d) all of the above

Have you checked the lod entries in the revised ini file entries for the weapons…

Also have you checked the actual cmp files with a utf editor

Specifically

\
        weaponname_part_lod1
                Multilevel
                        Level0
                                VMeshPart
                                        VMeshRef

weapon part lods have bounding max/min data, centers and radius just like ship meshes, use one of the newer versions of utfedit, and open the vmeshref by double clicking on it.

Kazinsal wrote:
Easy, fellas. No need to get all riled up…

Anyways, I’m glad this thread was bumped. I’d like to know if multiple light sources count as dynamic lights, because if so, that kind of destroys an idea I had for Broken Bonds.

Probably, the limit for graphcs cards, and the directx/opengl software using them is for number of lights displayed, not on what they are used for.

The dynamic bit is just to describe the use for effects.

Sizer wrote:
well, what you COULD have done (and probably should have) instead of simply demonstrating how knowledgeable on the subject of color spaces you are, ya could have, ya know, demonstrated how to actually convert between standard 8-bit RGB and any of the decimal CIE1931 RGB gamuts this could be.

(WHICH, btw - General trick is to multiply your 0-1 value by 255, most color spaces function under that rule).

Hmm, elemetary grade maths, available in any school…

I didn’t bring cake…

Ah, well you were asking about engines, not fuzes…

In your custom engine…

Comment out or remove the flame_effect line.

In select_equip.ini and add new entries:

[AttachedFX]
nickname = fx_davis_engine01_fire
particles = gf_no_largeengine01
use_throttle = true

Then put these lines in the package or loadout

addon = fx_davis_engine01, HpEngine01, 1

or

equip = fx_davis_engine01, HpEngine01, 1

Sizer wrote:
So when you post something that isn’t just HEY LOOK WHAT I KNOW, and can be found out with a five second google search, lemme know. I’ll be there with cake.

EDIT: And just to note, considering the companies involved, and the state of standards at the time, its more likely that this is either an in house derivation of CIE 1931 or the vastly more common sRGB, not Kodak’s derivation (which happens to be rather inefficient)

Ah… anything people dont know that YOU can find in a search engine is not a postable subject, thanks for clearing that up, so, should the whole modding community just sit and wait for your forthcoming book on everything, or can we participate in forum discussions amongst ourselves while we wait…

Sizer wrote:
and yet you continue to necro. fantastic.

So you think that if a piece of information relevant to a topic isnt available within a fashionably short space of time, it should never be posted?

“Hey guys, does anyone know how to…”
“nope not yet…”
“Well thels forget this modding topic for all time then or Somebody will accuse us of being necro…”

Try and stay on topic huh…

Sizer wrote:
Do you EVER check post dates? Ever?

Yes, every time…

StarTrader wrote:

But, as in conformity with other cases of DA’s individualistic programmers, this particular guy or team who designed this part of the game decided to set the colour range from 0 to 1.0 for each value, instead of the range 0 to 255 for each value.

And as it happens it agrees with the method of floats used for Ec, Oc, with the RGBA (RGB & Alpha) values in the materials in cmp and mat files if you remember.

Kodak colour…

A notation for colours developed by kodak, rgb in 3 floats, or rgb + intensity as 4 floats, range 0.0-1.0, commonly found in a range of 3d rendering apps

sometimes abreviated as kd (kodak diffuse colour), ka (kodak ambient colour, and ks (kodak specular colour), it’s a 3d CGI industry standard…

Capt.Morgan wrote:
I’ll take a look into all that after work and see what I come up with.

On a semi-related note, if anyone could point me to a tutorial on FLMM scripting, I’d very much appreciate it.

Meanwhile, while you wait, flmm comes with a good build in documentation with lots of examples of how to use the scripting commands…

Mainly the ones you’d need are the ones detailing how you add the mod data to the target files, the examples are very good on this.

As the mod code it’s self, its just standard ini file entries mainly

the important bit for info cards, ship names whatever, text lookups of many kinds is this

ids_name = 0 ;GENERATESTRRES(“AMS Imperatrix”)

Just stick your text in the quote marks and flmm makes an dll entry for it

ids_info = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES(“<xml><rdl><push><text>This Geb Cruiser,</text> <tra data=“2” mask=“2” def=”-3"><text>AMS Imperatrix</text><tra data=“0” mask=“2” def=“-1”><text>, which is under construction, is one of the newest, and most modern warships in Liberty space.</text><para></para></tra></tra></push></rdl></xml>")

You can use the xml commands you’d use when doing an info card.

As for the advantages of “ini copy” mods vs “scripted” mods, depends on how much you are changing or adding, for a TC, ini copy, if you’re adding to the base game, then a scripted might be better, (and a smaller download for your players)

Alternatively, there is an empty dll available for dl, you just use flid to put your entries in it, rename it to something else “mynewmod.dll” and add a line for it in the freelancer.ini file.

Personally I like the scripoted method, means I dont have to go look up an id number to remember what I called a new gun or ship, or to change those names. I can read them and edit them right there in the mods xml script files, also means I can make a mod, modular, all the stuff for new ship x can co in Ship-newshipmane.xml, engines, powerplants custom guns effects entries npc classes and faction prop assignments, pilotsd, everything for a new ship or new base or new faction in its own easy to edit file.

w0dk4 wrote:

But I do feel insulted every time I read some “StarPorter” slagging off my home community, in the name of what should be a dead quarrel.

As a matter of fact TLR.org hasnt been mentioned at all since the last “clash”. We’ve moved on since TLR.com went down in like 2007/2008. So, who cannot let it go?

Yes, I PM’d you but only because I saw your insulting comments on TLR.org and wanted to clear some things before you make a rage post over here. Didnt really work I figure…

Insulting… Thats funny, half the posts on the first page of this thread insult TLR…

Insulting, Hmm, care to quote in context?

Two sites called TLR…

One accepts my login name and password and remembers how long I’ve been a member, one does not…

A community isn’t it’s domain name, or an archive of it’s old posts, it’s the community’s people, the membership.

TLR went down, it came back up, so what, it’s still TLR.

I’m a member of a site that has nothing to do with FL, couple of hundred thousand members, over the years since I joined it back in 04, it’s purged most of the old posts, purged more than 50,000 images from its upload gallery, and even had a different domain name while upgrading to new software, it’s still the same community…

I havn’t insulted your site, here or there, but you insult TLR happily. You send me pm’s to ‘make me aware’ of the past, I remember the past, and as I said, its dead and gone, at the end of your pm, you insulted me…

Shall I quote you?

Oh and just so you know: We didnt rip anything. We were given all the TLR material just like Op. In fact, a lot of people received “TLR”, so now there could actually be a lot TLR clones out there.

Also, our archive was online years before Op put the archive on lancersreactor.org. We could also incorporate the TLR user database into our user database, we just didnt.

so you wanted the name, and the tourism value of the old posts, but to hell with the old members?

perspective

Just to give you a little perspective on things since I’ve seen you ranting about this place on lr.org:

The-Starport was created after lancersreactor.com went down somewhere around 2007/2008. It wasnt rats or anything you make out of it. You might be surprised about the members that frequent this place, so you might also be more cautious when insulting this community.

Also, lancersreactor.org was originally created by AzzA which is a known Freelancer hacker and every once in a while takes down Freelancer sites with pretty heavy DDOS attacks. The site was given to Op by AzzA but he never stopped the attacks.

Anyways, I have a feeling that you dont care about any of this but rather follow Op into whatever he tells you. Fair enough, but at least I tried.

Sooooooo, if I don’t agree that its ok to have a war with a site, and it’s members because some guy who isnt there anymore wasnt a nice guy, I’m Op’s little brainwashed slave? I’d never had any contact with him till I found out the community was back up and he was the new admin.

Oh, and for the record, since you are German, and english isnt your first language, “Rats deserting a sinking ship” is a common english colloquism for people leaving something when they think it’s in trouble, its not ‘an insult to starport’.

Since you didnt bother to rerspond to the reply to your pm, I must assume that either you didnt get it (bug notification) or you dont want to communicate, just dictate.

LET IT GO.

There is more than one site, and the sites including TLR are picking up new members. How does it look to the new arrivals “Welcome to FL Community site X, we all love each other and are very inclusive, except for those heretics at site Y who must be destroyed”

It takes TWO sides to make peace, and you cant make peace with a gun in one hand and a “I hate you” placard in the other.

sigh

EArlier in the thread, you mentioned that you hadnt changed the effects ale’s for the weapons, just the ones for a trade ring? Is there a trade ring near the gate where you were watching the fight?

No problems while they are fighting, but, when a random tradelane spawned merchant arrives in the middle of the firefight, (while you were off getting food), BANG ctd… bad tradelane effect?

alternativly, have you updated hardware recently, new graphics card, new directx version, I was getting cdt’s, didnt seem to have anything to do with any of the changes I had just put in, but they ALWAYS happened near a tradelane entry or exit point, some hardware related weirdness when a ship wopuld arrive by tl or attempt to leave the area by tl, and the thing would just ctd, something about trying to render the effect in your viewport just knocked it over (and this was with vanilla lane effects, so not an ale problem at all)

FL’s engine is old and doesnt understand all the new graphics cards around these days, even the graphics config updates are not up with all the latest cards. Your mod might be fine, it might just be a problem with the modern graphics card, especially as the server, which doesnt use graphics, is ok…

OK, , erm….

First of all, gonna show you some code entries for a custom capship, used by npcs, so you can see how the script goes together, ok…

First define your ship…

 <data file="data\ships\shiparch.ini" method="append"><source>
[Ship]
ids_name = 0 ;GENERATESTRRES("Nuit Destroyer")
ids_info = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><text><para><tra data="1" mask="1" def="-2"><just loc="center"><text>Stats</text><para><tra data="0" mask="1" def="-1"><just loc="left"><text><para><text>Guns/Turrets: 0/11</text><para><text>Armor: 19200</text><para><text>Cargo Holds: 2000</text><para><text>Max Batteries/NanoBots: 40/80</text><para><text>Optimal Weapon Class: 10</text><para><text>Max. Weapon Class: 10</text><para><text>Additional Equipment: 8xM, 2xCM</text><para><para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></text></just></tra></para></just></tra></para></text></push></rdl></xml>")
ids_info1 = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><tra data="1" mask="1" def="-2"><just loc="center"><text>Ra Frigate</text><para><tra data="0" mask="1" def="-1"><just loc="left"><para><text>The Ra Frigate is based on a heavily modified freighter design, intended to provide the Liberty Corporations with a heavily armed cargo vessel that can double as a Capital ship in Corporate wars.</text><para><para><text>[CLASSIFIED]</text><para></para></para></para></para></just></tra></para></just></tra></push></rdl></xml>")
ids_info2 = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><tra data="1" mask="1" def="-2"><text>Stats</text><para><tra data="0" mask="1" def="-1"><text><para><text>Gun/Turret Mounts:</text><para><text>Armor:</text><para><text>Cargo Space:</text><para><text>Max Batteries/NanoBots:</text><para><text>Optimal Weapon Class:</text><para><text>Max. Weapon Class:</text><para><text>Additional Equipment:</text> <para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></text></tra></para></tra></push></rdl></xml>")
ids_info3 = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><text><para><text><para><text>0/11</text><para><text>19200</text><para><text>2000</text><para><text>40/80</text><para><text>10</text><para><text>10</text><para><text>8xM, 2xCM</text><para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></text></para></text></push></rdl></xml>")
nickname = ADNuit-Player
LODranges = 0, 999999, 999999, 999999, 999999
msg_id_prefix = gcs_refer_shiparch_Libc
;mission_property = can_use_berths
;mission_property = can_use_med_moors
mission_property = can_use_large_moors
ship_class = 2
type = Freighter
;type = CRUISER
state_graph = CRUISER
pilot_mesh=generic_pilot
mass = 3000
hit_pts = 40000
hold_size = 1000
linear_drag = 1
steering_torque = 600000, 600000, 1200000
angular_drag = 1200000, 1200000, 2400000
rotation_inertia = 180000, 180000, 180000
nudge_force = 30000 ;30000
strafe_force = 40000 ;20000
strafe_power_usage = 200
max_bank_angle = 20
camera_offset = 15, 150 ; 25, 180
camera_angular_acceleration = 0.060000
camera_horizontal_turn_angle = 20
camera_vertical_turn_up_angle = 10
camera_vertical_turn_down_angle = 20
camera_turn_look_ahead_slerp_amount = 1.000000
nanobot_limit = 225
shield_battery_limit = 225
DA_archetype = ships\Custom\ADNuit\ADNuit.cmp
material_library = ships\Custom\ADNuit\ADNuit.mat
material_library = fx\envmapbasic.mat
envmap_material = envmapbasic
cockpit = ships\Custom\ADNuit\ADNuit.ini
explosion_arch = explosion_ge_atransport
surface_hit_effects = 0, small_hull_hit_light01, small_hull_hit_light02, small_hull_hit_light03
surface_hit_effects = 150, small_hull_hit_medium01, small_hull_hit_medium02, small_hull_hit_medium03
surface_hit_effects = 300, small_hull_hit_heavy01, small_hull_hit_heavy02, small_hull_hit_heavy03
fuse = li_cruiser_body_fuse, 0.000000, 1
fuse = li_cruiser_burning_fuse01, 0.000000, 10825
fuse = li_cruiser_burning_fuse02, 0.000000, 5413
explosion_arch = explosion_instant
bay_door_anim = Sc_open baydoor
bay_doors_open_snd = cargo_doors_open
bay_doors_close_snd = cargo_doors_close
HP_bay_surface = HpBayDoor01
HP_bay_external = HpBayDoor02
num_exhaust_nozzles = 3
shield_link=l_freighter_shield01, HpMount, HpEngine01, HpShield01, HpShield02, HpShield03, HpShield04
hp_type = hp_freighter_shield_special_10, HpShield01, HpShield02, HpShield03, HpShield04
HP_tractor_source = HpTractor_Source
hp_type = hp_thruster, HpThruster01
hp_type = hp_mine_dropper, HpMine01, HpMine02, HpMine03
hp_type = hp_countermeasure_dropper, HpCM01, HpCM02
hp_type = hp_torpedo_special_2, HpTorpedo01, HpTorpedo02, HpTorpedo03, HpTorpedo04 ; Cruise Disruptor Hardpoint
hp_type = hp_torpedo_special_1, HpTorpedo01, HpTorpedo02, HpTorpedo03, HpTorpedo04 ; Torpedo Hardpoint
hp_type = hp_gun_special_10, HpWeapon01 ;, HpWeapon02
hp_type = hp_turret_special_10, HpTurret_K1_01, HpTurret_K1_02, HpTurret_K2_01, HpTurret_K2_02, HpTurret_K2_03, HpTurret_K2_04, HpTurret_L2_01, HpTurret_R2_01, HpTurret_K3_01, HpTurret_K3_02, HpTurret_K3_03, HpTurret_L3_01, HpTurret_L3_02, HpTurret_L3_03, HpTurret_R3_01, HpTurret_R3_02, HpTurret_R3_03
hp_type = hp_cargo_pod, HpCargo01

[Ship]
ids_name = 0 ;GENERATESTRRES("Nuit Destroyer")
ids_info = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><text><para><tra data="1" mask="1" def="-2"><just loc="center"><text>Stats</text><para><tra data="0" mask="1" def="-1"><just loc="left"><text><para><text>Guns/Turrets: 0/11</text><para><text>Armor: 19200</text><para><text>Cargo Holds: 2000</text><para><text>Max Batteries/NanoBots: 40/80</text><para><text>Optimal Weapon Class: 10</text><para><text>Max. Weapon Class: 10</text><para><text>Additional Equipment: 8xM, 2xCM</text><para><para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></text></just></tra></para></just></tra></para></text></push></rdl></xml>")
ids_info1 = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><tra data="1" mask="1" def="-2"><just loc="center"><text>Ra Frigate</text><para><tra data="0" mask="1" def="-1"><just loc="left"><para><text>The Ra Frigate is based on a heavily modified freighter design, intended to provide the Liberty Corporations with a heavily armed cargo vessel that can double as a Capital ship in Corporate wars.</text><para><para><text>[CLASSIFIED]</text><para></para></para></para></para></just></tra></para></just></tra></push></rdl></xml>")
ids_info2 = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><tra data="1" mask="1" def="-2"><text>Stats</text><para><tra data="0" mask="1" def="-1"><text><para><text>Gun/Turret Mounts:</text><para><text>Armor:</text><para><text>Cargo Space:</text><para><text>Max Batteries/NanoBots:</text><para><text>Optimal Weapon Class:</text><para><text>Max. Weapon Class:</text><para><text>Additional Equipment:</text> <para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></text></tra></para></tra></push></rdl></xml>")
ids_info3 = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><text><para><text><para><text>0/11</text><para><text>19200</text><para><text>2000</text><para><text>40/80</text><para><text>10</text><para><text>10</text><para><text>8xM, 2xCM</text><para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></text></para></text></push></rdl></xml>")
nickname = ADNuit
LODranges = 0, 999999, 999999, 999999, 999999
msg_id_prefix = gcs_refer_shiparch_Libc
mission_property = can_use_large_moors
;ship_class = 2
;type = Freighter
type = Cruiser
;type = CAPITAL
;type = transport
state_graph = CRUISER
pilot_mesh=generic_pilot
mass = 4000 ; 2000
hit_pts = 40000
hold_size = 1000
linear_drag = 1
steering_torque = 600000, 600000, 1200000
angular_drag = 1200000, 1200000, 2400000
rotation_inertia = 180000, 180000, 180000
nudge_force = 30000 ;30000
strafe_force = 40000 ;20000
strafe_power_usage = 200
max_bank_angle = 20
camera_offset = 25, 180
camera_angular_acceleration = 0.060000
camera_horizontal_turn_angle = 20
camera_vertical_turn_up_angle = 10
camera_vertical_turn_down_angle = 20
camera_turn_look_ahead_slerp_amount = 1.000000
nanobot_limit = 225
shield_battery_limit = 225
DA_archetype = ships\Custom\ADNuit\ADNuit.cmp
material_library = ships\Custom\ADNuit\ADNuit.mat
material_library = fx\envmapbasic.mat
envmap_material = envmapbasic
cockpit = ships\Custom\ADNuit\ADNuit.ini
explosion_arch = explosion_ge_atransport
surface_hit_effects = 0, small_hull_hit_light01, small_hull_hit_light02, small_hull_hit_light03
surface_hit_effects = 150, small_hull_hit_medium01, small_hull_hit_medium02, small_hull_hit_medium03
surface_hit_effects = 300, small_hull_hit_heavy01, small_hull_hit_heavy02, small_hull_hit_heavy03
fuse = li_cruiser_body_fuse, 0.000000, 1
fuse = li_cruiser_burning_fuse01, 0.000000, 10825
fuse = li_cruiser_burning_fuse02, 0.000000, 5413
explosion_arch = explosion_instant
bay_door_anim = Sc_open baydoor
bay_doors_open_snd = cargo_doors_open
bay_doors_close_snd = cargo_doors_close
HP_bay_surface = HpBayDoor01
HP_bay_external = HpBayDoor02
num_exhaust_nozzles = 3
shield_link=l_freighter_shield01, HpMount, HpEngine01, HpShield01, HpShield02, HpShield03, HpShield04
hp_type = hp_freighter_shield_special_10, HpShield01, HpShield02, HpShield03, HpShield04
HP_tractor_source = HpTractor_Source
hp_type = hp_thruster, HpThruster01
hp_type = hp_mine_dropper, HpMine01, HpMine02, HpMine03
hp_type = hp_countermeasure_dropper, HpCM01, HpCM02
hp_type = hp_torpedo_special_2, HpTorpedo01, HpTorpedo02, HpTorpedo03, HpTorpedo04 ; Cruise Disruptor Hardpoint
hp_type = hp_torpedo_special_1, HpTorpedo01, HpTorpedo02, HpTorpedo03, HpTorpedo04 ; Torpedo Hardpoint
hp_type = hp_gun_special_10, HpWeapon01 ;, HpWeapon02
hp_type = hp_turret_special_10, HpTurret_K1_01, HpTurret_K1_02, HpTurret_K2_01, HpTurret_K2_02, HpTurret_K2_03, HpTurret_K2_04, HpTurret_L2_01, HpTurret_R2_01, HpTurret_K3_01, HpTurret_K3_02, HpTurret_K3_03, HpTurret_L3_01, HpTurret_L3_02, HpTurret_L3_03, HpTurret_R3_01, HpTurret_R3_02, HpTurret_R3_03
hp_type = hp_cargo_pod, HpCargo01</data> 

 <data file="DATA\Missions\mShipProps.ini" method="append"><source>
[mShipProps]
archetype_id = ADNuit-Player
;mission_property = can_use_berths
;mission_property = can_use_med_moors
mission_property = can_use_large_moors
state_graph = CRUISER

[mShipProps]
archetype_id = ADNuit
mission_property = can_use_large_moors</data> 

 <data file="DATA\EQUIPMENT\goods.ini" method="append"><source>
[Good]
nickname = ADNuit_hull
category = shiphull
ship = ADNuit-Player
;ship = ADNuit
price = 1 ;7115000
ids_name = 0 ;GENERATESTRRES("Nuit Destroyer")
item_icon = ships\Custom\ADNuit\ADNuit.3db

[Good]
nickname = ADNuit_package
category = ship
hull = ADNuit_hull
addon = sfx_rumble_cruiser, internal, 1
addon = infinite_power, internal, 1 ; Power Generator
;addon = ad_ra_power, internal, 1 ; Power Generator
addon = ad_nuit_engine_01, internal, 1 ; Engine
addon = ad_s_scanner_03, internal, 1 ; Deep Scanner
addon = ad_s_tractor_02, internal, 1
addon = ad_rclaw_shield_fr, HpShield01, 1
addon = ad_rclaw_shield_fr, HpShield02, 1
addon = ad_rclaw_shield_fr, HpShield03, 1
addon = ad_rclaw_shield_fr, HpShield04, 1
addon = contrail01, HpContrail01, 1
addon = contrail01, HpContrail02, 1
addon = contrail01, HpContrail03, 1
addon = contrail01, HpContrail04, 1
addon = SmallRed, HpRunningLight01, 1
addon = SmallRed, HpRunningLight02, 1
addon = SlowMediumWhite, HpRunningLight03, 1
addon = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight04, 1
addon = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight05, 1
addon = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight06, 1
addon = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight07, 1
addon = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight08, 1
addon = SlowMediumRed, HpRunningLight09, 1
addon = SlowMediumGreen, HpRunningLight10, 1
addon = SlowMediumRed, HpDockLight01, 1
addon = SlowMediumGreen, HpDockLight02, 1
addon = SlowMediumRed, HpDockLight03, 1
addon = SlowMediumGreen, HpDockLight04, 1
addon = DockingLightRed, HpDockLight01, 1
addon = DockingLightRed, HpDockLight02, 1
addon = DockingLightRed, HpDockLight03, 1
addon = DockingLightRed, HpDockLight04, 1
addon = DockingLightRed, HpRunningLight03, 1
addon = DockingLightRed, HpRunningLight04, 1
addon = WhiteCone, HpHeadLight01, 1 ; White Cone
addon = WhiteCone, HpHeadLight02, 1 ; White Cone
addon = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpHeadLight01, 1 ; White Cone
addon = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpHeadLight02, 1 ; White Cone
;addon = cargopod_red, HpCargo01

addon = ad_sutekh_thruster,  HpThruster01, 1
addon = ad_sutekh_cm, HpCM01, 1
addon = ad_sutekh_cm, HpCM02, 1
addon = ad_sekhmet_mine, HpMine01
addon = ad_sekhmet_mine, HpMine02
addon = ad_sekhmet_mine, HpMine03
;addon = ad_phantom_mine01, HpMine01
;addon = ad_phantom_mine01, HpMine02
;addon = ad_phantom_mine01, HpMine03
addon = ad_nuit_forward_gun01, HpWeapon01, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret150, HpTurret_K1_01, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret150, HpTurret_K1_02, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_K2_01, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_K2_02, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_K2_03, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_K2_04, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_L2_01, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_R2_01, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_K3_01, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_K3_02, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_K3_03, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_L3_01, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_L3_02, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_L3_03, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_R3_01, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_R3_02, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_R3_03, 1
addon = ad_sutekh_torpedo01, HpTorpedo01, 1
addon = ad_sutekh_torpedo01, HpTorpedo02, 1
addon = ad_sekhmet_torpedo, HpTorpedo03, 1
addon = ad_sekhmet_torpedo, HpTorpedo04, 1</data> 

Notice there are TWO ships that use the same mesh, one for players , type Freighter, and one for NPC’s, type Cruiser, because the game handles flight mechanics differently for big npc ships and they are virtually unflyable by mere humans…

Player ships have a ‘package’ that defines what equipment you get when you buy it, npc ships dont have these they use ‘loadouts’

Cap ships go in the special loadouts file, player ships can use these too, but special ships with standard loadouts cause problems, so…

;*** Loadouts for Warships ***

 <data file="data\ships\loadouts_special.ini" method="append"><source>

;**** Npc loadout for Nuit Class Destroyer ****

[Loadout]
nickname = ADNuit_Loadout
archetype = ADNuit
equip = sfx_rumble_cruiser, internal, 1
equip = infinite_power, internal, 1 ; Power Generator
;equip = ad_ra_power, internal, 1 ; Power Generator
equip = ad_nuit_engine_02, internal, 1 ; Engine
equip = ad_s_scanner_03, internal, 1 ; Deep Scanner
equip = ad_s_tractor_02, internal, 1
equip = ad_rclaw_shield_fr, HpShield01, 1
equip = ad_rclaw_shield_fr, HpShield02, 1
equip = ad_rclaw_shield_fr, HpShield03, 1
;equip = ad_rclaw_shield_fr, HpShield04, 1
equip = contrail01, HpContrail01, 1
equip = contrail01, HpContrail02, 1
equip = contrail01, HpContrail03, 1
equip = contrail01, HpContrail04, 1
equip = SmallRed, HpRunningLight01, 1
equip = SmallRed, HpRunningLight02, 1
equip = SlowMediumWhite, HpRunningLight03, 1
equip = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight04, 1
equip = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight05, 1
equip = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight06, 1
equip = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight07, 1
equip = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight08, 1
equip = SlowMediumRed, HpRunningLight09, 1
equip = SlowMediumGreen, HpRunningLight10, 1
equip = SlowMediumRed, HpDockLight01, 1
equip = SlowMediumGreen, HpDockLight02, 1
equip = SlowMediumRed, HpDockLight03, 1
equip = SlowMediumGreen, HpDockLight04, 1
equip = DockingLightRed, HpDockLight01, 1
equip = DockingLightRed, HpDockLight02, 1
equip = DockingLightRed, HpDockLight03, 1
equip = DockingLightRed, HpDockLight04, 1
equip = DockingLightRed, HpRunningLight03, 1
equip = DockingLightRed, HpRunningLight04, 1
equip = WhiteCone, HpHeadLight01, 1 ; White Cone
equip = WhiteCone, HpHeadLight02, 1 ; White Cone
equip = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpHeadLight01, 1 ; White Cone
equip = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpHeadLight02, 1 ; White Cone
;equip = cargopod_red, HpCargo01
equip = ad_sutekh_thruster,  HpThruster01, 1
equip = ad_sutekh_cm, HpCM01, 1
equip = ad_sutekh_cm, HpCM02, 1
equip = ad_sekhmet_mine, HpMine01
equip = ad_sekhmet_mine, HpMine02
equip = ad_sekhmet_mine, HpMine03
equip = ad_nuit_forward_gun01, HpWeapon01, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret150, HpTurret_K1_01, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret150, HpTurret_K1_02, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_K2_01, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_K2_02, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_K2_03, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_K2_04, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_L2_01, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_R2_01, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_K3_01, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_K3_02, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_K3_03, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_L3_01, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_L3_02, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_L3_03, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_R3_01, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_R3_02, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_R3_03, 1
equip = ad_sutekh_torpedo01, HpTorpedo01, 1
equip = ad_sutekh_torpedo01, HpTorpedo02, 1
equip = ad_sekhmet_torpedo, HpTorpedo03, 1
equip = ad_sekhmet_torpedo, HpTorpedo04, 1</data> 

You can have more than one loadout for the same ship, depending on faction, pilot class etc…

The package and loadout use custom equipment, you had examples of how to make those earlier in the thread…

Now we have to issue the ship to a faction so their npcs can use it…

That means telling the game it IS an npc ship

; *******************
; NPC Ships
; *******************

 <data file="data\missions\npcships.ini" method="append"><source>

[NPCShipArch]
nickname = Nuit_Destroyer
loadout = ADNuit_Loadout
level = d14
ship_archetype = ADNuit
pilot = ad_capship ;cruiser_default ;gunship_ace
state_graph = CAPITAL
npc_class = lawful, unlawful, class_destroyer, class_armored, d1, d2, d3, d4, d5, d6, d7, d8, d9, d10, d11, d12, d13, d14, d15, d16, d17, d18, d19</data> 

Then decide who gets the new toy, and what formations they can use with it

; *******************
; Faction Props - Who gets what...
; *******************

 <data file="data\missions\faction_prop.ini" method="sectionappend">[FactionProps]
affiliation = co_vr_grp

<source>
npc_ship = ADPhantom_Co_d1-5
npc_ship = ADPhantom_Co_d6-10
npc_ship = ADPhantom_Co_d11-19
;npc_ship = Geb_Cruiser
;npc_ship = Nuit_Destroyer
npc_ship = Ra_Frigate_NoCap
npc_ship = Maat_Corvette
npc_ship = Ptah_Gunship
;npc_ship = ADCrowTrans
formation = sc_gunships, gunship_box
formation = sc_capital, fleet_ops
formation = sc_fleet2, cruiser-4-escort
formation = sc_fleet3, gunship_box
formation = sc_fleet4, gunship_box</data> 

so now we have two ships, one you can sell to a player (see the markets entry in an earlier post for how to do that) and one for npcs, and we have issued the ship to a faction, their npcs will now use that ship depending on the ship class, and what population zones are in your star systems

So lets set up some ship classes

; *******************
; NPC Ship Classes
; *******************
; *** New Cap Ship Encounter Classes ***
; new ship classes for the cap-enc fleet-ops code
; class_ gunship class_gunboat class_ frigate class_destroyer class_cruiser class_battleship

; ** dont need these as vanilla game already has them 

;[ShipClass]
;nickname = sc_gunboats
;member = class_gunboat

;[ShipClass]
;nickname = sc_cruisers
;member = class_cruiser

 <data file="data\missions\shipclasses.ini" method="append"><source>

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_destroyers
member = class_destroyer

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_battleships
member = class_battleship

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_gunships
member = class_gunship
;member = class_gunboat

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_frigates
member = class_frigate

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_capital
member = class_battleship
member = class_cruiser
member = class_destroyer
member = class_frigate

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_fleet1
member = class_battleship
member = class_cruiser

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_fleet2
member = class_cruiser
member = class_destroyer
member = class_frigate

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_fleet3
;member = class_frigate
member = class_gunboat
member = class_gunship

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_fleet4
member = class_gunship
member = class_fighter</data> 

Ok, we have ships and ship classes, and npc entries, what next…

encounters…

; ************* Patrols + Capships...

 <data file="data\missions\encounters\patrolp_assault.ini" method="replace"><dest>[EncounterFormation]
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fighters
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = class_patroller
ship_by_class = 2, 3, sc_fighters, -1
pilot_job = assault_job
formation_by_class = fighters
behavior = patrol_path
arrival = cruise
allow_simultaneous_creation = yes
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[EncounterFormation]
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fighters
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = class_patroller
ship_by_class = 2, 3, sc_fighters, -1
pilot_job = assault_job
formation_by_class = fighters
behavior = patrol_path
arrival = cruise
allow_simultaneous_creation = yes
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[Creation]
permutation = 0, 3
permutation = 1, 1</dest> 
<source>
[EncounterFormation]
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fighters
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = class_patroller
ship_by_class = 2, 3, sc_fighters, -1
pilot_job = assault_job
formation_by_class = fighters
behavior = patrol_path
arrival = cruise
allow_simultaneous_creation = yes
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[EncounterFormation]
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fleet2, +1
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = class_patroller
ship_by_class = 0, 2, sc_fleet3, -1
pilot_job = assault_job
ship_by_class = 0, 2, sc_fleet4, -1
pilot_job = assault_job
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fighters, +1
pilot_job = escort_leader_job
ship_by_class = 1, 3, sc_fighters
pilot_job = escort_job
formation_by_class = sc_fleet2
behavior = patrol_path
arrival = cruise
allow_simultaneous_creation = yes
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[Creation]
permutation = 0, 3
permutation = 1, 1</data> 

; ************* Area Defend
;whats in the file already for info
; 2-3 fighters per patrol
;ship_by_npc_arch = 1, 1, ke_ship
;pilot_job = pilot_0
;formation = delta_high
;longevity = 50
;explicit_group = ku_p_grp

;[EncounterFormation]
;ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fighters
;pilot_job = defend_leader_job
;make_class = wanderer
;ship_by_class = 1, 2, sc_fighters, -1
;pilot_job = defend_job
;make_class = wanderer
;formation_by_class = fighters
;behavior = wander
;arrival = all, -tradelane, -object_jump_gate
;allow_simultaneous_creation = yes
;zone_creation_distance = 0
;times_to_create = infinite

 <data file="data\missions\encounters\area_defend.ini" method="replace"><dest>[Creation]
permutation = 0, 3</dest> 
<source>
[EncounterFormation]
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fleet2
pilot_job = defend_leader_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 2, 2, sc_fleet3
pilot_job = defend_job
make_class = wanderer
formation = cruiser-4-escort
;formation_by_class = sc_fleet2
behavior = wander
arrival = all, -tradelane, -object_jump_gate
allow_simultaneous_creation = yes
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[Creation]
permutation = 0, 3
permutation = 1, 2</data> 

; ************* Area Assault

 <data file="data\missions\encounters\area_assault.ini" method="replace"><dest>[EncounterFormation]
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fighters
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 2, 3, sc_fighters, -1
pilot_job = assault_job
make_class = wanderer
formation_by_class = fighters
behavior = wander
arrival = all, -object_jump_gate, -tradelane
allow_simultaneous_creation = yes
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[Creation]
permutation = 0, 3
permutation = 1, 1</dest> 
<source>
[EncounterFormation]
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fleet2, +1
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 0, 2, sc_fleet3, -1
pilot_job = assault_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 0, 2, sc_fleet4, -1
pilot_job = assault_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fighters, +1
pilot_job = escort_leader_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 1, 3, sc_fighters
pilot_job = escort_job
make_class = wanderer
formation_by_class = sc_fleet2
behavior = wander
arrival = all, -tradelane, -object_jump_gate
allow_simultaneous_creation = yes
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[Creation]
permutation = 0, 3
permutation = 1, 2</data> 

So, now as long as your ships have the right ‘class_whatever’ entries in their npcships definitions, the factions will use the ships, you get a chance of small capship patrols for any faction that 1 has capships, and 2 uses area_assault, area_defend or patrolp_assault encounter types, without having to edit a single star system ini to add them, and generally without having to fill up the area round your stations with loads of lumbering warships, scaring the merchants away and filling your pop caps

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“Anyway, how can I use the gf_no_largeengine as effect on Hp?”

Basically you don’t

You use “addon =” to add that ENGINE to a player ship package, or “equip =” to add that engine to an npc ship loadout.

check the package and loadouty entries for the Nuit Destroyer above, see where they have custom engine entries?

equip = ad_nuit_engine_02, internal, 1 ; Engine

You would replace ‘ad_nuit_engine_02’ with for example ‘davis_cruiser_engine_01’.

Then make your custom engine

;**** Engine ****

 <data file="DATA\EQUIPMENT\engine_equip.ini" method="append"><source>

[Engine]
nickname = davis_cruiser_engine_01
ids_name = 263887
ids_info = 264887
volume = 000.000000
mass = 10
max_force = 300000
linear_drag = 10000
reverse_fraction = 0.100000
;flame_effect = gf_li_largeengine01_fire
;trail_effect = gf_li_largeengine01_trail
;**** we comment out the old liberty engine effects and add the new ones we want, there is no trail so we add something else to make it pretty and different...
flame_effect = gf_no_largeengine01
trail_effect = gf_co_smallengine03_trail
cruise_charge_time = 5
cruise_power_usage = 20
rumble_sound = rumble_cruiser
rumble_atten_range = -5, 0
rumble_pitch_range = -25, 25
cruise_start_sound = engine_li_cruise_start
cruise_loop_sound = engine_li_cruise_loop
cruise_stop_sound = engine_li_cruise_stop
indestructible = false
outside_cone_attenuation = -3
inside_sound_cone = 90
outside_sound_cone = 270</data> 

So there is your custom engine, like a lib cruiser, but with different effects, then you just stick that in the package and loadout entries for your player only and npc only versions of your capship and TaDa! It should all work, if you didnt mistype, or something…

As for editing the Hp’s, yeah nomad engines do have extra stuff, soooo, you move the hp back and forth till it fits.

you say the fighters effects are too small for the exaust nozzles? How much too small, half the size needed?

use 4 instead of 1, spaced out in the nozzle so they overlap slightly, say 0.75 -1.0 units apart, center to center, so for example if the engine nozzle center was at

0, 0, 70

Your 4 hpengine?? hardpoints would be at

0, 0.75, 70
0, -0.75, 70
0.75, 0, 70
-0.75, 0, 70

I’ve had 12 exaust nozzles on a ship, with no problems…

WARNING hpengineglow?? hardpoints, dont fit more than 8, fit em behind groups of hpengine?? hardpoints, in this example you would only use 1 hpengineglow say at 0, 0, 75

Remember to edit the number of exaust nozzles in the shiparch.ini entries to match the new number of hpengine?? hardpoints…