Behaviour

Dragnite_MU

The main reason im wondering what this line is for is i have an idea for a new Event arena and i want to place a number of battleships in there as either bases or objects but i want them constantly shooting each other.

However when i try this and put 2 next to each toehr with one as navy and one as nomad by rights they should shoot each other but they dont.

So i wonder if the behaviour is the answer and if not then what is?

Worfeh

Just a wild guess.

Isn’t that just lawfull and unlawfull ?

Edit looked at it a bit.

Look at this line at the base in the system ini file.

[Object]
nickname = Bw03_01
ids_name = 196697
pos = -5226, 0, 1560
rotate = 0, -95, 0
archetype = outpost
ids_info = 65799
dock_with = Bw03_01_Base
base = Bw03_01_Base
reputation = gd_im_grp
behavior = NOTHING
voice = atc_leg_m01
space_costume = rh_sales_head, sh_male1_body
difficulty_level = 12
loadout = trading_outpost_co_03
pilot = pilot_solar_hardest < –- this one.

You probably have to make a new pilot entry to make them shoot at bases as it probably is turned off by default.
So I think its best to look in the pilots_population.ini file and create a new pilot and [Jobblock] entry with: atleast this line in it attack_preference = solar, 5000, guns | guided | unguided

Bejaymac

Unicornz posted a similar question over on DB, the problem isn’t the pilot but rather the AI that Solars use. Ships use the state_graph.db for the AI but Solars don’t, which means it’s hardcoded somewhere.

Dragnite_MU

Oh goody, i was really hoping that nobody would post the words “hardcoded”

? Offline

I’ve had a look into this. There are a few entries of interest, firstly in KillableSolars.ini

[KillableSolar]
nickname = rm_miningbase_small_rock_pi_D8-D10
solar_type = Big_Solar
string_id = 10
faction = fc_mm_grp, fc_vp_grp, fc_bn_grp, fc_scr_grp, fc_fug_grp
archetype = rm_miningbase_small_rock
only_allowed_in_zone_type = rock, lava
loadout = rm_miningbase_small_rock_pi_01
hitpoints = 3506, 4800
difficulty = 0.166195, 0.311430
pilot_choices = 3 <–----------------------- This intrigues me, solars have pilots so onto…

pilots_population.ini

[GunBlock]
nickname = gun_solar_ace_style_a
gun_fire_interval_time = 0
gun_fire_interval_variance_percent = 0.500000
gun_fire_burst_interval_time = 1
gun_fire_burst_interval_variance_percent = 0.250000
gun_fire_no_burst_interval_time = 0.500000
gun_fire_accuracy_cone_angle = 1
gun_fire_accuracy_power = 1.100000

There are a number of solar pilots that can be made a lot meaner by changing a few things, here are some more solar entries,

[MissileBlock]
nickname = missile_solar_fast
missile_launch_interval_time = 10
missile_launch_interval_variance_percent = 0.250000
missile_launch_range = 1000
missile_launch_cone_angle = 20
missile_launch_allow_out_of_range = False
gun_range_threshold = 1.100000
gun_target_point_switch_time = 0.250000
fire_style = multiple
auto_turret_interval_time = 0
auto_turret_burst_interval_time = 1
auto_turret_no_burst_interval_time = 2
auto_turret_burst_interval_variance_percent = 0.200000
gun_range_threshold_variance_percent = 0.300000
gun_fire_accuracy_power_npc = 6

My npc’s attack anything but they seem to do it in order, will always attack ships before hitting on a solar. See if that helps a bit

Dragnite_MU

Thanks Gibbon ill give it a try probably tomorrow, think i need a break after spending 2 days coding things

Bejaymac

I looked into this a long time ago, iirc there are 4 “pilot_choices” and all 4 are listed in the Content.dll, they are -

pilot_rm_solar_easiest
pilot_rm_solar_easy
pilot_rm_solar_hard
pilot_rm_solar_hardest

The other 4 Solar pilots I was never able to find in the dll’s & exe

Worfeh

@Bejaymac:

I looked into this a long time ago, iirc there are 4 “pilot_choices” and all 4 are listed in the Content.dll, they are -

pilot_rm_solar_easiest
pilot_rm_solar_easy
pilot_rm_solar_hard
pilot_rm_solar_hardest

The other 4 Solar pilots I was never able to find in the dll’s & exe

Since they are refered to on the solars its self isnt it just possible to create a new pilot population?

JONG

@Bejaymac:

I looked into this a long time ago, iirc there are 4 “pilot_choices” and all 4 are listed in the Content.dll, they are -

pilot_rm_solar_easiest
pilot_rm_solar_easy
pilot_rm_solar_hard
pilot_rm_solar_hardest

The other 4 Solar pilots I was never able to find in the dll’s & exe

If we edit it, can we let solar shoot player in MP ?

I never saw any solar can shoot (I mean that, we can saw it’s shoot) player in MP game.

Bejaymac

@Worfeh:

Since they are refered to on the solars its self isnt it just possible to create a new pilot population?

I Probably should have mentioned that “pilot_choices” are only for the solars used in random missions, you can make as many pilots as you want but FL will only use the 4 hardcoded pilots in the missions. The system ini solars are a different story, you can make as many as you want and they’ll be used, but like the mission pilots thier AI behaviour isn’t in the state_graph.db.

@JONG:

If we edit it, can we let solar shoot player in MP ?

I never saw any solar can shoot (I mean that, we can saw it’s shoot) player in MP game.

As long as your hostile to them they will shoot you, I’ve died to many times just from being to close to a hostile solar in MP.

Dragnite_MU

So as it seems to have been avoided getting an answer.

What does the behaviour = parametre do and what options other than NOTHING can be entered?

JONG

@Bejaymac:

As long as your hostile to them they will shoot you, I’ve died to many times just from being to close to a hostile solar in MP.

Yes, but you can’t saw any fire effects, right ?

I mean is, how to let the missions hostile solar fire effects can saw in game, not invisible ?

mknote

They do, JONG, at least for me. Interesting if they don’t for you…

MK

JONG

@mknote:

They do, JONG, at least for me. Interesting if they don’t for you…

MK

Hi MK, may you can teach me how to do that ?

My mod of missions solar can fire to me but I can’t saw anything, it’s like invisible.

Thanks for your time and reply. ;D

Bejaymac

@ Dragnite_MU, I’m sure there used to be a thread on the “behaviour” on the old TLR site, iirc it was done a couple of years back (early '06).

@ JONG, there’s nothing to teach, just give them a loadout and stand back, however if the weapons are using custom effects then you might want to recheck the effects actually work.

JONG

@Bejaymac:

@ JONG, there’s nothing to teach, just give them a loadout and stand back, however if the weapons are using custom effects then you might want to recheck the effects actually work.

That is really strange, I was give them a loadout and I check everything, the solar’s loadout operation is normal when them at a base, but when them turn into a “Destroy missions of solar”, they can hurt my ship but I can’t saw anything like fire effects, even they use same loadout.

I was download many another mod to make many test, those mod has same problem like my mod, all of solar can be hurt my ship, but you never saw any fire effects.

Dragnite_MU

@bejaymac, thanks for the info but i flatly refuse to use TLR.

w0dk4

@JONG:

@Bejaymac:

@ JONG, there’s nothing to teach, just give them a loadout and stand back, however if the weapons are using custom effects then you might want to recheck the effects actually work.

That is really strange, I was give them a loadout and I check everything, the solar’s loadout operation is normal when them at a base, but when them turn into a “Destroy missions of solar”, they can hurt my ship but I can’t saw anything like fire effects, even they use same loadout.

I was download many another mod to make many test, those mod has same problem like my mod, all of solar can be hurt my ship, but you never saw any fire effects.

I can confirm that!

Its one of those things everybody claims to be working but it simply doesnt.
Anybody got missiles shot by NPCs in missions working?
Same story.

mknote

@Dragnite_MU:

@bejaymac, thanks for the info but i flatly refuse to use TLR.

I think he means the archive site, not the s***-stain MC ran.

(Note: the preceding is the opinion of the majority and does not necessarily reflect my own)

MK

LancerSolurus

**It really depends on what you mean by ‘fire effects’…

Do you mean the graphics don’t show up?
Do you mean the bases aren’t firing at you? (simple fix)**