Inside Nomad Lair/Lair Core

cvekiboy

I also spent to much time in fixing that jump to proper spot with no success. So interested how can be this achieved and does someone did it. So, only? option for players to visit inner core from inside is with /stuck command.
BTW In long time tests I found the spot where the core has a hole and can be entered through it. Nice mission to find it! :-x

Xalrok

I did a quick check of St02c in-game (from DwnUndr’s TCM starter pack.) The airlock near the spinning fan is definately outside the lair while the one near the glowing area that you find the power cell is close enough to the edge of the lair wall that you could end up on the outside of it. Not sure which one is which in the actual ini file but I’d suggest moving them until they’re definately within the lair itself.

The jump tunnel bug sounds like something to do with a vertically aligned jump object.

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robocop wrote:
The core and airlocks are exactly where they were in SP which worked fine as I recall.

If I were to move the core (and the airlocks so they stay in proper position), wouldn’t I only move the problem?

Seriously in SP works fine. And in MP?

No bugs with airlock, it works not as jumphole.

For example take hole from Beta to Alpha, change it’s type to

type = AIRLOCK_GATE

Next, change hole from Alpha to Beta same way to

type = AIRLOCK_GATE

Now you may jump from Beta to Alpha without F3, but you will appear at the center of the Alpha system.

robocop

I moved the jumps 500m closer to the center of the system.
The core is at 0, 0, -1119
jump enter is at 0, 0, 875 (from 0, 0, 1375)
and
jump exit is at 0, 0, -1066 (from 0, 0, -1566)

I still jump in outside the core.

I see what you’re saying about the jump tunnels. The lair jumps are indeed positioned vertically. Perhaps there’s something in the jump_effect or the gate_tunnel that could be adjusted to compensate.

I heard Monkey Universe has this working properly. Perhaps Worfeh could chime in?

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No, i mean this - Just move the core to the coords where you jump in.

You may not touch jumps - they working only as one-way hole.

robocop

The last seven jumps into the ‘system’ dropped me to these coordinates:

Jump 1: -394, -306, -715
Jump 2: -143, -476, -715
Jump 3: 432, 250, -716
Jump 4: -477, 67, -715
Jump 5: 150, -474, -715
Jump 6: -421, -268, -717
Jump 7: -157, 478, -715

The only numbers that seem to have any commonality are the last set of the coordinates.

So, I don’t think moving the core to the jump-in coordinates is going to help. there’s as much as a 900+ disparity in the x? coordinate, and as much as a 950+ disparity in the z? coordinate.

I tried turning the jumps back into airlocks but couldn’t figure out how to make them dock.

I wonder if Adoxa has a plugin that does what I need…

heads off to browse his site

Edit: Nope, only see a plugin that provides for jumpholes with a random exit point. Interesting idea…

Timmy51m

robocop wrote:
I wonder if Adoxa has a plugin that does what I need…

We’re really missing his magic! I have a feeling he might have found himself a more worthy cause for his awesome sauce. Just have to thank our lucky stars he gave us as much as he did while he did I guess.

Bobthemanofsteel

He did say he’d be AWOL for a while.
Though, he deserves a break methinks, so lets drop the WOL.

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#9 Robcop intresting research!

khayman

I had a look in the mission12.ini and in SP i think the script sets the player position:

[Trigger]
nickname = key_to_core
system = St02c
Cnd_True = no_params
Act_SetInitialPlayerPos = 20, 31, 1286, 0, 0, 1, 0
Act_ActTrig = in_the_core

I think it controls the airlock docking too:

[Trigger]
system = St02
nickname = initiate_airlock_sequence
Cnd_DistVec = inside, Player, -1368, 124, -1249, 500
Act_DockRequest = St02_lair_enter

This is un-tested so no idea if this will help you or not, but i thought i better mention it just incase.

cvekiboy

khayman wrote:
I had a look in the mission12.ini and in SP i think the script sets the player position

This is true! Watch the video from 10:40

Maybe one of the solutions is Limit Breaking 101?

2000f 	common.dll 	13E678 	fox 	how far behind a jumpgate a player will be spawned - from this point, the player will be thrown forward at exceptional speed until he/she has reached the gate

Timmy51m

If all else fails you could just try and resize the damn core cmp. Make it big enough and you’ll end up inside it whatever happens

robocop

sumanuti wrote:

khayman wrote:
I had a look in the mission12.ini and in SP i think the script sets the player position

This is true! Watch the video from 10:40

Maybe one of the solutions is Limit Breaking 101?
2000f 	common.dll 	13E678 	fox 	how far behind a jumpgate a player will be spawned - from this point, the player will be thrown forward at exceptional speed until he/she has reached the gate 

Well, I suppose I could try that, but most often the player ship gets spawned to the side of the core, not outside the end of it.

robocop

I’ve done all in my limited knowledge and have not found a solution yet. Perhaps one day Adoxa will return and come up with one of his famous 5-minute fixes.