Hi all

… let’s c what we got

— If Pred requests SWAT to remove WTS stuff in PM it’s an evil offence
— If SWAT posts that in a public forum it’s ok

— If other people don’t fight TLR as SWAT wants them to, they are of short memory etc.
— If SWAT works with TLR it’s fine.

— If someone makes a joke about the relation Discovery - SWAT, it’s as evil as posting porn links for SWAT.

— If someone points at plain facts, it’s ‘trash talk’.

— Once more we had to see very long stories about community etc. etc.
… and even so the WTS World mod did assimilate stuff from everywhere
… starting with Argh and not ending with W0dk4, i was not able to find any credits 4 SWAT.
… - maybe those were missed, but i suppose they just were not earned
… and ‘community’ ends, were no personal advantage can be gained.

So thanks for proofing once more
@F!R:

……anything not promoting this persons opinion,
will just lead to more crying and bitching.

yeah lets c what we got

• if people come to this community to discredit me and my community it is ok for you

• if I come here to defend it then i am the bad one

• if you guys including admins swear, insult, offend and break tons of TSP forum rules then it is ok

• if people from my community come here they get called fanboys and whatever being blamed to post here and defend their own community

• if I say no to a project and post valid arguements why that project will fail (and i can not see that just a single of them did succeed until now) then I get personally attack which seems to be ok here

• if somebody of you disagree with my oppinion you suddenly have every right to verbally attack me in person instead posting arguements which speak for that idea

• if i get asked to post about what I supported in the FL community I get suddenly blamed for that just a few threads later

• if people from starport offend me and the members of my community then its ok

• if people from starport post lies about me and my work then its ok

• if tsp admins go to another FL forum and post stuff about me on the admin board then it seems to be ok

• at the moment I say that this was not ok then I get attacked openly

you have attacked my community… you have attacked me in person
you even have insulted my members with your comments

oh and I did not work with TLR… I worked exclusivly with BP to help him to get TLR back
you dont want to fight TLR (or at least their admins)… well then I guess you will have to live with the ddos attacks until the end of the FL community (how many did we have in the past 2 months? 5?)

It’s always the tone that makes the music

in that case the music here at TSP sounds terrible

@OPR8R:

in that case the music here at TSP sounds terrible

what you think ,that youre sound is very nice ? use a better frequence then
you attack the people ,and you acuse the members and admins from TSP from it lol

you also acuse FIR from that he attack u and youre community alway’s
well i can tell this he have never post something about you
good reading is very diffecult for you i see

i have ask you to delete our stuff from youre forum,and you told me that u NOT do that for me
well i REMOVE youre stuff from our website from YOURE COMMUNITY

so pls again remove the stuff

we as WTS owners/modders/admins have all the same opinion
so when YOU atack ! off the owners/modders/admins from the WTS,YOU atack us ALL

you have post a lot post’s ago that it was youre last post here,but it seems that TSP is very intresting for you
you still read and post youre comment’s here lol
that say more about you ,then about us

have a nice life with good music

@OPR8R:

• if you guys including admins swear, insult, offend and break tons of TSP forum rules then it is ok
• if people from my community come here they get called fanboys and whatever being blamed to post here and defend their own community

Assumption much? As I’m the only one who posted any mention of fanboys, not referring to anyone in particular. You yourself have you just called your own community fanboys.

what i said is fact and I can prove it at any time

@Dark Angel:
Don’t switch the statements. You know what you have posted and it was clear whom you meant. If not i guess you does not meant the TSP Hence i thank you for naming me moron - i really appreciate it

@Predator:
You in particular you as person cant demand OP to delete stuff that is not yours. You are an admin - well. But you are not the owner of that Stuff. AFAIK it is Fir. So he has to have the balls to request this. Not you. Anyway any PM was not posted on a public forum. Its just legally if OP asks his staff for opinions - isn’t it?

I see that WTS feels attacked when a single and well known or even the admin person is accused. Same applies to SWAT but I feel very much that this here (joke) is just an exception from it. We were discredit by this joke and you all seems to don’t see it…headshaking

I really dont see why you all think it was a joke and cant see the offensive meaning by it. Sorry i really have problems with understanding the obvious.

@Fir:
Your disfavor or hate against OP is obvious. But why do we all have to suffer. Have you seen me discredit WTS in anyway?

And OP stated that it was his last post on the forum where he posted. I cant find any relation where he was stating his last post on TSP. No he even offered his help without being mentioned in the FLCN. Thats a problem? And like i told - you are welcome to come to SWAT - search for all the discredits for you own mod and post there an complaint. I think SWAT got far more here than we gave to any mod on SWAT. So anyway i have the feeling that we are not welcome here if we all are just that bad and always see the bad in things - where our own mind is worth nothing. I also think that you think OP gave us a brainwash and that he influence us. You will utterly fail. But thats not important. Prejudges are more worth than the facts.

You will utterly fail.

Yay, we now get prophetic announcements!

Seriously guys, this bickering can stop now, methinks? I mean, we’ve all spewed a lot of crap and we can see nobody will change his or her mind. At this point it becomes an evolutionist VS creationist kind of debate: it’s stalled and likely won’t go anywhere but down.

If you want to continue the fight, feel free to do so through PMs. I’m not locking this (because OP apparently doesn’t like that), but please please please stop it people. It’s getting stale now.

@Huor:

@Dark Angel:

@Predator:
You in particular you as person cant demand OP to delete stuff that is not yours. You are an admin - well. But you are not the owner of that Stuff. AFAIK it is Fir. So he has to have the balls to request this. Not you. Anyway any PM was not posted on a public forum. Its just legally if OP asks his staff for opinions - isn’t it?

I see that WTS feels attacked when a single and well known or even the admin person is accused. Same applies to SWAT but I feel very much that this here (joke) is just an exception from it. We were discredit by this joke and you all seems to don’t see it…headshaking

first off all i didn’t demand him,i have ask it polite on him,

and nobody send me F!R can talk by him self(he is a human) and he is a man, so i think he have balls ;D

what you say now that i as serverhost have nothing to say ,about removing the stuff from a forum
that it is not my stuff but that F!R is the owner?
we from WTS are a litle bit differend ,we have a very good and strong team.
and when F!R -Wicked Witch or me do a request for deleting our stuff,then we have talked about it
so i as server owner have also something to say
we react as a team
i do all the pr stuff for the WTS and i have aranged the advertising on the swat forum.
so it is very strange that it is not alowed for me to ask for deleting
the swat team know’s me very well
and when swat don’t delete our stuff,it is his own decission.
then he let it there,and must be happy with it;)

btw we don’t feel us attacked,we only give our opinion

and for FriendlyFire
for me the Swat part is closed

So the fact seems to vanish:
Here we go with the answer of SWAT to Predator, when he request him to remove the WTS stuff:

As i already wrote in my PM reply I will not waste my time with the removal of anything.
I fail to see why I actually should do that. In the past months I was often enough target of FIRs attacks in close to all FL communities (and obviously he belongs to your team). Attacks which often were very personal and offensive. And now I get such a request without even being told about serious reasons (if those exist).

In the past years I have recommented WTS to many players… I did this on TLR and on many other FL sites… I did ads for WTS… and all of a sudden I receive such a treatment from you WTS guys?
Maybe such a behaviour is normal in the new freelancer community meanwhile… ?

SWAT_OP-R8R

That not a “Sorry Pred, you need F!R to confirm that”,
that’s aggressive and obviously SWAT feels insulted by that request.

So how do we have to see his own public request here, to remove all SWAT stuff,
if we see his own reaction he now tries to camouflage?

For me it was a clear hostile action against TSP
and in the same second SWAT announces his upcoming mod @ the all evil TLR,
everyone needs to fight after his statements, while still he keeps popping up here
to tell stories about ‘community’.

WOW!

Oh yes and evil me - i v been bad and insulting poor innocent SWAT
by pointing at facts and showing the awful truth.

I think this thread is a good example as to why I think the Freelancer community is a giant pile of trash. I love you all.

@Sion:

I think this thread is a good example as to why I think the Freelancer community is a giant pile of trash. I love you all.

I think if something is as dangerous as flame wars, its the constant badmouthing of the so called Freelancer community.
There are some very bright lights in this community and if its all that bad, why are there still as many people playing this game as back in ~2006?

@w0dk4:

There are some very bright lights in this community and if its all that bad, why are there still as many people playing this game as back in ~2006?

Because the game is good, and there is typically a pretty decent sense of community around most individual servers - it’s only the greater Freelancer community as a whole - specifically the interactions between the large ‘community’ oriented sites - that are unpleasent to look upon.

fact is - yes i didnt remove that stuff by request
in the past 7 years that SWAT does exist not a single post that didnt violate the forum rules has been removed by the staff - it is a forum policy not to delete something… not to lock something… not to forbid something that is not against the rules.

Every member has the right and ability to edit and remove own posts… own threads… even the own accounts. But I explained that already a few posts before. You want your posts removed… then do it… the staff will not interfere.

also fact is - that I went to TLR doing some posts there
fact is also that I said here on TSP that this has good reasons
the one and only legit reason to get the bad elements removed from the administration and being replaced with the original site owner (bakedpotatoe)
The mentioned thread about my mod were done by request (if you would have read that thread you would know that). And if you would have read that TLR forum you would know that I was not holding azzas hand in order to get his next best friend.
The current situation at TLR and the creation of Reactorforge wouldnt have happened if I wouldnt have done what I have done.

That much about my motives to go there. At least that step was moraly more right than those discussions about destroying TLR that were done on the TSP admin board not that long ago. At least my efforts did lead to some changes eventhough they were not enough to finish the initial task. After the past few days I regret that I even tried it.

For everybody, we here in Holland have a nice dumb song…But it always brings a smile to people when they hear the song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCAekegA4Yg

Hope it makes you all happy, even you don’t understand it, because it isn’t english. But it sounds so very happy.
When you need a translation…just ask

Happy weekend from all of us from WTS

" when you wrestle with a pig, pretty soon those watching can’t who the pig is - everyone is so thoroughly covered with mud" -
unknown

I can see y’alls lips movin, but i can’t hear what you’re saying for the music in my head……

HI JAMMI… ( did Jammi hear me? )
HI JAMMI
( I stiil don’t know if Jammi heard me )
and I sooo liked the idea …… starlancer… that would be pretty cool

@OPR8R:

in that case the music here at TSP sounds terrible

So why do you feel the need to keep posting here ?

You certainly seem to have a high opinion of yourself. Aren’t you a bit self-obsessed to feel the need to keep bragging about your alleged great achievements and write pages of self-praise ?

As far as the average FL player like me can see, you are not any more important than any of the active contributors to this community and I don’t see any of them speak half as much about themselves and “their community” as you do.

If you feel unfairly targeted, a bit of humility and tact may be a good start to help your cause.

I repeat it again (as i have said it 2 times before)
It was requested by one of the previous posters that I show what I have done in the FL community and has nothing to do with self-praise. And I am posting here because some people here think they have the right to discredit me, my work and my community on this and other thread. If this wouldnt have happened in first place I wouldnt have been in the need to defend my community and its members here.

Not even an appoligy to me and what is even more important to me members has been done. This topic wouldnt even have been run out of control if people wouldnt have verbally attacked my community and this topic would be long gone if those people would have appologized.

@Huor:

@Dark Angel:
Don’t switch the statements. You know what you have posted and it was clear whom you meant. If not i guess you does not meant the TSP Hence i thank you for naming me moron - i really appreciate it

I actually think both sides of the arguments are fanboys and morons, not everyone but some. So I’d reserve your assumptions.