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Well said, Chips, well said. I’ll start up a discussion with the other TSP admins.

w0dk4 wrote:

So the post was just an excuse to stir the same stuff up again. Op isn’t here to defend himself - that takes just 2 sentences. So it’s nothing to do with that, and everything to do with things he’s got real issues with. Likewise, same for some here. The post was just an entry point to repeat the same crap again…

For me it wasnt all that farfetched. I have never heard of that Folgore guy and them being active only and exclusively on TLR.org puts them in a certain light for me. Also, I never said Op or TLR staff did it.

And as for why you dont hear about DDOS attacks daily is because they are not daily. They are every few weeks for a few days. And you dont really notice them because I’ve spent a good chunk of time to deal with them automatically when they do occur. I find it rather offensive that you are telling me that I use fake DDOS attacks as an excuse for attacking some random modder.

I think you are misunderstanding the context of parts of my post.

The part about the post being to stir stuff up is nothing to do with what you posted, everything to do with Op’s post. He wasn’t here to defend, there’s nothing to defend. If he came to defend…erm…something, then he should have asked Folgore for what he meant in his post. He didn’t. Or at least he gives no indication - instead going on about himself. Again.

Furthermore - his posts concentrate upon the same old issues rather than the supposed one in hand. That I found to be stirring things up.

I found Folgores post amusing. You posting about it I found more…paranoid That probably doesn’t make things better in your eyes, but when I read your post about it I did chuckle.

So I view Op’s posting, not as a defence, but an opportunity to continue the same old saga crap as before.

Hence my post. Remove YOUR post as the “starting point” in this thread, and Op’s posts could be transferred to any of the other threads he’s been involved in - and pretty much fit exactly in once more.

That’s my issue, and why I think he should be banned. There’s no defending, there’s nothing - it’s straight into the same old crap as always. His motivation to post isn’t to address things maturely, or reasonably, or logically. It’s to get stuck in with the points he is obviously deeply offended over - the database, the lack of video yadda yadda.
He may say it was to defend his site/himself, I’d disagree. Either that or he is bloody incompetent at defending things, because 3 simple non-inflammatory lines could have easily dismissed any concerns whilst making himself look good. Instead, he rolled up his sleeves and got back to classic Op posts.

Hope that clarifies

I don’t dislike Op, but I do think his posting here, and his justifications are horribly misguided - and I think he intentionally brings up the same old stuff, and will continue to do so, whenever there’s even the slightest hint at a possible entry point to do so.

Your post was the entry point. Nothing more.

Somehow i think i can imagine what the outcome of this admins discussion is Actually how many active admins here are against OP? In my eyes the majority. But uhm well. Thats how it is - unfortunate its ending with prejudges of each side.

Its totally useless Chips to remove the starting point. You can remove every starting point and claim everything that comes after it has no relation and can be sorted to a numerous of events. Additional to that i don’t think OP was defending at all. W0dka made a “joke” about a “joke”. OP tried to clarify a few things in my eyes - yet no defence. Knowing about that such jokes are a very sensitive topic - i am asking why it was made then - if not to stir up the old crap?

Indeed its always the same - about the same crap. The issue - if it ever was one - could have been resolved by PMs between both admins. But i know that communication on this level is nearly impossible - mainly because of the differences of the past. Or some might think they are too fine for it. I don’t know.

If some of you are up to quarrel with OP - why not making a suggestion how to solve it?
Sadly for me - i am in between all this crap. On one side i often come here to read news about modding projects and eventually to learn something. On the other side i am also a long term member of SWAT. You often speak bad about SWAT mainly because just you have some differences with the admin there, that i feel bad just because i am there. And in the same way i feel bad to be here just because there are differences between SWAT and TSP.

I never had an insight in the TLR things but i can imagine its about the same crap. I really hope there will once the day where the crap can be buried and both admin teams can make a step towards each other and not in the opposite direction. That could work if not everyone is pointing fingers at everybody, revealing long history events - that really a few have witnessed (me excluded).

As for the bans: You can ban anyone without even notifying, without reason. Its the admins decision, its their home. They may throw out who they deem to see fits. You could simply remove OP from here. I doubt that he has broken a rule - that would justify a ban. But if your life is better then - just make this little check in the profile and be happy from that time on. Its not transparent then to the users and there will be some who understands it - and some who might be frightened. But why care about it anymore. Then somehow i assume you can ban me too - because i seldom contribute here as well (like the majority is not doing so). And for a few occasions try to be on OPs side - at least in regards to calm down the heat between both sides.

Finally i knew that it would end this way - and all of the events so far couldn’t help to improve the things. Really sad that mature men are not capable of resolving little issues like that.

Don’t see any point in banning him, he’s amusing. Watching a grown man cry over archives and missing videos amuses me anyway

I want my archives

You wont allow links to my site

You removed my video

And yes, I know nobody’s listening to me, but #$%% it, it amuses me.

@W0dk4: lulz. OP rants. Love the fact that the “TSP modder” that attacked his model was actually an Empire at War modder for Thrawn’s Revenge that was on the FW:ToW team to exchange models between mod teams… lol. But anyways…

@Huor: we’d never ban you for defending someone. You’re far from inflammatory and you never start drama. You’re quite respectful of everyone here at TSP.

@Timmy: You make me chuckle.

Lets get things straight, since I registered only for this purpose. I think that if you aren’t mentally damaged or something like that, you would have understood that my post over at the TLR Portal was a joke, nothing less and nothing more. Why should you blame OP when you don’t have even the relevant proof to actually blame him? Such hypocrisy is really annoying, especially when I see someone that I respect being under the hammer of a group of over-grown kids that love to fight over the internet using a keyboard and some facts that they didn’t even have proof for.

Why all the hate? What has OP done? Are you sure that you are not a bunch of kids that are envious of him? If you want to get rid of him, why do you go on besetting him?

Now after seeing this, seeing that you couldn’t interpret a joke in the right way really cleared up my mind on The Starport, no doubt they DDoS you everyday. Some elements in here are attacking OP only by some prejudices that they had with the previous TLR admins.

Feel free to ban me or lock this account up, I rarely visit this website, and I only registered since I didn’t want that OP got all the flame because of me. I made that post, I should be flamed. Grow up and grow some serious attributes between your legs.

As for you Kazinsal, you should tape your mouth and avoid talking only by basing your post from the above ones.

• Folgore_RM, Lead Designer and Project Lead of Freelancer: Continuum

w0dk4 wrote:

Huor wrote:
Somehow i think i can imagine what the outcome of this admins discussion is Actually how many active admins here are against OP? In my eyes the majority. But uhm well. Thats how it is - unfortunate its ending with prejudges of each side.

Its totally useless Chips to remove the starting point. You can remove every starting point and claim everything that comes after it has no relation and can be sorted to a numerous of events. Additional to that i don’t think OP was defending at all. W0dka made a “joke” about a “joke”. OP tried to clarify a few things in my eyes - yet no defence. Knowing about that such jokes are a very sensitive topic - i am asking why it was made then - if not to stir up the old crap?

Indeed its always the same - about the same crap. The issue - if it ever was one - could have been resolved by PMs between both admins. But i know that communication on this level is nearly impossible - mainly because of the differences of the past. Or some might think they are too fine for it. I don’t know.

If some of you are up to quarrel with OP - why not making a suggestion how to solve it?
Sadly for me - i am in between all this crap. On one side i often come here to read news about modding projects and eventually to learn something. On the other side i am also a long term member of SWAT. You often speak bad about SWAT mainly because just you have some differences with the admin there, that i feel bad just because i am there. And in the same way i feel bad to be here just because there are differences between SWAT and TSP.

I never had an insight in the TLR things but i can imagine its about the same crap. I really hope there will once the day where the crap can be buried and both admin teams can make a step towards each other and not in the opposite direction. That could work if not everyone is pointing fingers at everybody, revealing long history events - that really a few have witnessed (me excluded).

As for the bans: You can ban anyone without even notifying, without reason. Its the admins decision, its their home. They may throw out who they deem to see fits. You could simply remove OP from here. I doubt that he has broken a rule - that would justify a ban. But if your life is better then - just make this little check in the profile and be happy from that time on. Its not transparent then to the users and there will be some who understands it - and some who might be frightened. But why care about it anymore. Then somehow i assume you can ban me too - because i seldom contribute here as well (like the majority is not doing so). And for a few occasions try to be on OPs side - at least in regards to calm down the heat between both sides.

Finally i knew that it would end this way - and all of the events so far couldn’t help to improve the things. Really sad that mature men are not capable of resolving little issues like that.

http://www.lancersreactor.org/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=44796

You seriously want to tell me Op wants to resolve anything?
Op has burned all of his bridges ages ago. He likes to play the victim, but he actually deserves it for the BS he keeps on spreading.

Btw. it’s also telling how he doesnt have the guts to post a link to this thread. He just posts his propaganda to his sheep.

Thats Op for you.

Playing the victim? Please, stop writing nonsense. What would you do if a bunch of kids keep annoying you everyday? I would make them look bad in front of my friends.

Seriously it would be a good idea to start somewhere. Not always diverging. You say that OP burned the bridges. At least i have seen an apology in his former posts and showed to unban the accounts. Name it what you want - but imo a trigger to move closer to each other.

Burned bridges can be built up again - but that needs time and effort from both sides. I am glad that with the continuing natural selection - we Germans can get rid of our former bad history. In regards that nowadays youth has no debt at all. But thats something different.

I can really good remember a situation here (two or three years ago) where we had a similar situation about a “joke” that was made. It did end nearly in the same situation. But nothing has been learned meanwhile - with or without purpose. What about some ways to finally talk with each other, making compromises, admit failures no matter from which sides, weight arguments - and try to find solutions, or comprises - more or less to cooperate? The aim should be to serve the community - thats your task, thats the task of every admin, leader, whatever.

I just fear that the majority of us normal users say - oh no not again. There are always at least two involved in quarrels. So its not always only OPs fault - also “yours”.

I would wish there could be peace between both or three communities - for the good of all. Because we all belong to the Freelancer community and in my eyes everyone is equal to each other.

Folgore_RM wrote:
As for you Kazinsal, you should tape your mouth and avoid talking only by basing your post from the above ones.

That’s rather rude of you to say. I’ve been around a few times (longer than my join date here would suggest) and there’s a /reason/ I don’t have a Lancer’s Reactor account, but I have one here and I post on it regularly.

You’re looking at this from your perspective and posting about it freely. I’ll look at it from mine and post freely about it on the internet if I damn well please.

w0dk4 wrote:
Sadly your post is full of Op-propaganda fail. I didnt blame Op.

Maybe read the thread you are posting in?

All I have to say, then I’m out from here.

Judge me all you want, just keep the verdict to yourself.

Well if its about the archive - an suggestion that could be thought of is to outsource it to someone else - make a council whatever you want to name it - that will host this side. Where both can link to. But that would mean both sides need to give in at one point or another - and there i would admit. That wont happen anytime soon - sadly.

Ya, I don’t see that happening anytime soon. I do appreciate the gesture to make nice on all sides, Huor.

Although Op has caused a lot of drama here at TSP, I don’t think you should ban him over just that. Because that would be falling to his standards.

=Alex= wrote:
Although Op has caused a lot of drama here at TSP, I don’t think you should ban him over just that. Because that would be falling to his standards.

“An eye for an eye makes everyone blind.”

The one who bow his head isn’t the weakest.