How to make a Roid Miner dockable?

Moonhead

Is it hard to add docking mounts etc. to the Roid_Miner archetype? There seems to be a dockable version in SolarArch.ini but it doesn’t work (type = STATION, docking_sphere lines etc.)

I suppose this could best be done by using the XML project files, rather than the UTF editor.

What other archetype can I use best as a template to copy the necessary lines from?

Btw I don’t need a docking animation; just approaching and then the next moment on deck would be fine.

Moonhead

I just remember: I have have a morning fixture modified by Argh that acts like a very small base. He made it to enable mooring, I think, but I used it to stuff into things that weren’t dockable (like the industrials, space_habitats etc) which I then would make child to the fixture. Worked great

? Offline

Grab one from my Phoenix mod, i made all the miners dockable in that, has everything you need

StarTrader

Here’s mine:-

solararch.ini
[Solar]
nickname = Roid_Miner2
ids_name = 261159
ids_info = 66140
type = STATION
DA_archetype = Ships\utility\mining\mining.cmp
material_library = ships\utility\utility_ships.mat
material_library = fx\envmapbasic.mat
envmap_material = envmapbasic
LODranges = 0, 750, 1300, 2000, 12000
mass = 10000
solar_radius = 350
shape_name = NNM_SM_MINING
docking_sphere = moor_medium, HpDockMountA, 20
docking_sphere = jump, HpDockMountB, 500
hit_pts = 999999961690316250000000000000000000

You don’t need to modify the vanilla mining.cmp model.

my Br04.ini:-
[Object]
nickname = Br04_Stokes_miner_1
ids_name = 460088
pos = 70111, 9, -16236
archetype = Roid_Miner2
reputation = br_m_grp
base = br_m_niobium_miner1
dock_with = br_m_niobium_miner1
difficulty_level = 7
loadout = ge_miner_co_01
pilot = pilot_solar_easy
behavior = NOTHING
ids_info = 491773

my br_m_niobium_miner1.ini:-
[BaseInfo]
nickname = br_m_niobium_miner1
start_room = Deck
[Room]
nickname = Deck
file = Universe\Systems\MINERS\Rooms\Asteroid_miner.ini

my Asteroid_miner.ini:-
[Room_Info]
set_script = Scripts\Bases\Li_07_bar_hardpoint_01.thn
scene = all, ambient, Scripts\Bases\Li_07_bar_ambi_int_01.thn
[Room_Sound]
ambient = ambience_deck_space_larger
[Camera]
name = Camera_0
[Hotspot]
name = IDS_HOTSPOT_DECK
behavior = ExitDoor
room_switch = Deck
[Hotspot]
name = IDS_HOTSPOT_COMMODITYTRADER_ROOM
behavior = VirtualRoom
room_switch = Trader
[Hotspot]
name = IDS_HOTSPOT_COMMODITYTRADER
behavior = StartDealer
state_read = 2
state_send = 1
virtual_room = Trader

and my mbases.ini:-
[MBase]
nickname = br_m_niobium_miner1
local_faction = br_m_grp
diff = 13
msg_id_prefix = gcs_refer_base_AstMiner_base
[MVendor]
num_offers = 0, 0
[BaseFaction]
faction = br_m_grp
weight = 10
[BaseFaction]
faction = gd_im_grp
weight = 10
[MRoom]
nickname = Deck
character_density = 1

(I decided not to populate them - they a working ship, self-service!)

and my Universe.ini:-
[Base]
nickname = br_m_niobium_miner1
system = Br04
strid_name = 460088
file = Universe\Systems\miners\br_m_niobium_miner1.ini
BGCS_base_run_by = W02bF06

I decided to let all the niobium miners use the same rooms etc. instead of making a unique one for each miner. Gas miners use a different room.

Moonhead

StarTrader wrote:

You don’t need to modify the vanilla mining.cmp model.

But in my game it is not dockable :-? (And I do use the roid_miner2 entry)

Btw Argh’s fixture does not work too. I guess he also hacked some behaviour. In previous mods I used his toolkit as a basis, so that’s probably why I got it working this way.

Moonhead

StarTrader wrote:

[Solar]
[…]
docking_sphere = moor_medium, HpDockMountA, 20
docking_sphere = jump, HpDockMountB, 500

Hmmm, these lines are different in my SolarArch.ini…. Maybe they are the key!

Yep, it’s working now!! Very buggy, but that’s of the typos I prolly made coz of the eagerness of trying it out.

StarTrader - Thanks a million!!

Actually I never delved into these docking_sphere lines… I prolly should, but it didn’t occur to me DA/MS would have messed them up, or whatever.

Now I gotta debug and then fix all the robot traders

Moonhead

I’ve got the Argh-enhanced docking_fixture working too. Which is awesome

Moonhead

Gibbon wrote:
Grab one from my Phoenix mod, i made all the miners dockable in that, has everything you need

Dude, I had totally missed this! Thanksalot for the offer!!

I’ll keep it in mind (but will of course never borrow something without asking or telling - although I do have various tweaks and hacks by others, some of which I wouldn’t know anymore who did them).

Chips

Moonhead wrote:

StarTrader wrote:

[Solar]
[…]
docking_sphere = moor_medium, HpDockMountA, 20
docking_sphere = jump, HpDockMountB, 500

Hmmm, these lines are different in my SolarArch.ini…. Maybe they are the key!

Yep, it’s working now!! Very buggy, but that’s of the typos I prolly made coz of the eagerness of trying it out.

StarTrader - Thanks a million!!

Actually I never delved into these docking_sphere lines… I prolly should, but it didn’t occur to me DA/MS would have messed them up, or whatever.

Now I gotta debug and then fix all the robot traders

Eh? I’m confused. The miner has the hardpoints (minus the launch/dock cam afaik), and every object you dock with has the dock sphere lines…

So what did you have in your files? I’m confused as you never posted up what you had for starters (I know it’s solved, but apparently DA/MS messed something up!).

Moonhead

Chips wrote:

Eh? I’m confused. The miner has the hardpoints (minus the launch/dock cam afaik), and every object you dock with has the dock sphere lines…

So what did you have in your files? I’m confused as you never posted up what you had for starters (I know it’s solved, but apparently DA/MS messed something up!).

I had these lines:

docking_sphere = moor_medium, HpDockMountA, 5
docking_sphere = moor_large, HpDockMountB, 5.000000

and, after going thru StarTrader’s entries, changed them to

docking_sphere = moor_medium, HpDockMountA, 20
docking_sphere = jump, HpDockMountB, 500

No idea how they came in my SolarArch.ini files… My mod project is quite extensive, and I abandoned it a few years, and from several things I do not recall how they came to be.

EDIT: the first set of lines can be found in the FLSDKs 1.3 and 1.5 too. So that’s where I got them.

Chips

Moonhead wrote:

Chips wrote:

Eh? I’m confused. The miner has the hardpoints (minus the launch/dock cam afaik), and every object you dock with has the dock sphere lines…

So what did you have in your files? I’m confused as you never posted up what you had for starters (I know it’s solved, but apparently DA/MS messed something up!).

I had these lines:

docking_sphere = moor_medium, HpDockMountA, 5
docking_sphere = moor_large, HpDockMountB, 5.000000

and, after going thru StarTrader’s entries, changed them to

docking_sphere = moor_medium, HpDockMountA, 20
docking_sphere = jump, HpDockMountB, 500

No idea how they came in my SolarArch.ini files… My mod project is quite extensive, and I abandoned it a few years, and from several things I do not recall how they came to be.

EDIT: the first set of lines can be found in the FLSDKs 1.3 and 1.5 too. So that’s where I got them.

Player ships could never dock at moors, so if you were trying a ship with CAN_USE_BERTH (or whatever the line is) then that may have been a clue

Gisteron

Chips wrote:
Player ships could never dock at moors

that’s right. never. they never could until adoxa offered us his moors.dll allowing it.

? Offline

You sure about that Gisteron, iirc it was Chips who came up with how to use the jump command on moors donkeys years ago. I remember reading one of his tutorials on TLR clearly explaining it. I’ve had player ships docking at moors since around 2005.

Gisteron

nah, if you make a moor hardpoint to jump or a ship to have mission property of can_use_[moor type] its only a workaround. with the moor type you cannot dock in MP and with the jump on moor hardpoints, all of the fighter and freighter npc’s start using moors. adoxa offered us a solution: you jump after mooring while the moor stays inaccessible to berth users.

Moonhead

I too was used to ships being able to dock anywhere. I knew it once was an issue, but Argh found a way to get around it. In my previous FL modding epoch I was building upon Argh’s toolkit, so got accustomed to it. Then I disabandoned FL for some years, and now I regularly run into things that are half-forgotten, and sometimes I have to find out how it’s working in my own mod (which is partly based on Argh).

That’s why I overlooked the whole moor/berth issue.

Anyway, Gisteron, are you saying that the docking_sphere = jump, HpDockMountB, 500 line still won’t work in MP?

If so, should I just copy some “berth” lines from a small station, like the depot? Or maybe the whole block of dock lines?

I can and will try myself, but it’s a good thing this is discussed in public (with the WikilLeaks thing going on and all )

Gisteron

docking_sphere = jump <param2, param3=“”>does work in MP. but it causes everything to tend docking on the sphere rather than any berth or moor hardpoint.
on the other hand, if you define your capship to use moors, then you cannot dock with a moor type docking_sphere in MP. as said, the jump sphere is a workaround. moors.dll in contrast does only change that a player’s ship with a moor type mission property can not only moor to a point in MP but will be jumped to the base, like if it were a jump sphere. the difference is - a ship with can_use_berths still cannot make use of the moor points but only of the berths. with a jump sphere any ship can dock. sometimes that’s too much.</param2,>

Chips

jump works fine in MP It just doesn’t offer restrictions Sometimes you don’t want certain ships docking - hence why moors were always desirable.

The other problem was un-docking and getting stuck… depending upon where you launch from of course.

I’ve heard about the moor.dll by Adoxa, it was always one of my wishes (moors worked as long as you had the moor property, and pressed esc in docking cinematic. If you wait til the end of the cinematic, you got stuck) to see it work properly, so if it does now - awesome. I haven’t tried it out yet

The idea of using other types than Berths was due to Victor iirc - especially Jump, and it went back to 2003

But the point wasn’t all this, the point was why your initial attempts didn’t work. If you had the moors.dll work around, then what happened? I was just wondering if you’d forgotten to change the type is all

Moonhead

Gibbon wrote:
Grab one from my Phoenix mod, i made all the miners dockable in that, has everything you need

Looking at your mod now. I see you made an extra docking point, and use

docking_sphere = berth, HpDockMountA, 15
docking_sphere = berth, HpDockMountB, 15
docking_sphere = moor_medium, HpDockMountC, 2.500000

Very neat! I think I’ll indeed grab one

Thanksalot man!!

StarTrader

Funny how these young kids think they just discovered everything now, and others didn’t find anything before.

Moonhead

StarTrader wrote:
Funny how these young kids think they just discovered everything now, and others didn’t find anything before.

:? You are referring to…?

I’m not claiming that I just discovered anything, except the solution someone else found before me.

Besides, but this is relatively unimportant, I’m not a young kid.