I hate surs forever
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There is to this day no consistent way of making perfectly working surs, Why. Dont bother if ships can pass through some of your sur-parts, it likely wont really get better than that.
Even our models at Freeworlds suffer from a similar issue, where other ships can pass through any component of the ship other than the “root” object. There is some collision detection on those non-root parts, but its buggy and they can eventually pass through.It would be awesome to see some further development in the sur file creation process to finally be able to make surs that work just like the vanilla ones.
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**Hehehehe, no no no no I don’t want to work on the cmp to sur converter again, drove me crazy
Who knows, I did release 3 new programs on my FL Coders forum, I may tackle it again soon…**
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I made them using Dev’s wireframe maker. The program for it is here: http://the-starport.net/modules/wfdownloads/singlefile.php?cid=5&lid=1558
If you want a tutorial, let me know, and I can make a video for ya.
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Awesome, thanks Sushi!
The screenshot also illustrates the weird targeting bracket and centering. The model itself is centered correctly. It almost looks like the crosshair is centered around the wrong sur part. As in its using the wrong piece for the root? I don’t know. I’m going to redo it all from scratch the long way eventually. I think that will fix it.
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Honestly, I’ve never had problems making SURs, at least after Bejay taught me. Granted, I’ve never tested them in MP, so they could suffer from the same player-to-player contact that Why is running into.
The real bitch, I think, are wireframes. Yes you can use Dev’s tool, and the wireframes that are spit out are… acceptable, I suppose. Still, they look quite a bit better when doing them by hand, though the work required is the definition of tedious.
And have I really been gone for over six months? Seems like yesterday that I was still engaged…
MK
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@Why
The screenshot also illustrates the weird targeting bracket and centering. The model itself is centered correctly. It almost looks like the crosshair is centered around the wrong sur part. As in its using the wrong piece for the root? I don’t know. I’m going to redo it all from scratch the long way eventually. I think that will fix it.
Just a tought: check this unique ship’s mass center in milkshape, and in that program you have made the model. In gmax for example there are 3 different centerlines, you can choose, when i convert the models into milkshape ive got a new one.
You may have to synchronize them.
Every time i import a new ship into ms3d i moved it into the centerline in such a way that, to get same result as in that program that i made the model.It seems you made a new sur bubble, have you ever tried using existed surs for the unique ships?
@MK
Honestly, I’ve never had problems making SURs, at least after Bejay taught me. Granted, I’ve never tested them in MP, so they could suffer from the same player-to-player contact that Why is running into.
What is the difference? If i collide with an other npc which has same unique ship i use, or in MP i collide an other player who has same unique ship?
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NPCs don’t use the same collision detection as players.
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Why485 wrote:
The screenshot also illustrates the weird targeting bracket and centering. The model itself is centered correctly. It almost looks like the crosshair is centered around the wrong sur part. As in its using the wrong piece for the root? I don’t know. I’m going to redo it all from scratch the long way eventually. I think that will fix it.
depends on which method you choose but if it’s with the sursplicer you need to put the right mass in the ini.ini file
the center is on the root, so you need to choose the right .sur …
and i’m not sure but you can try to affect a mass at each sur files that you export to see if it changes something
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The target reticule placement it due to the sur piece you’ve chosen to be the root. If you pick another piece that is more in the centre to be the root .sur, it will fix it right up.
