Deletion Warnings

The bar has a global audience. I know that you recently re-hosted on a higher-reliability server, but have you thoroughly tested performance on continents other than Europe?

I see some good Freelancer sites on your list who have removed the bar because of the issues. I wonder if it might be premature to remove those sites until they have had a good opportunity to test performance and observe reliability? I would think that could take several months, at least.

I mostly look at this from the user perspective, which is that the bar is most useful when it contains links to all of the good sites – regardless of whether those sites display the bar or not.

Obviously, do what you think is right. I am just suggesting an alternate POV.

DiscoUK

http://www.discoveryfluk.com/
(not showing bar)

Apologies, I switched out for a different version of the theme when the bar stopped the site from loading. I’ve swapped the theme back to the original version now, and you should find the bar in working condition.

Thanks.

w0dk4

Bullwinkle wrote:
I realize that displaying the FLCN bar is a requirement for listing.

However, you know yourself that the bar has had a LOT of problems – both in reliability and in performance.

The bar has a global audience. I know that you recently re-hosted on a higher-reliability server, but have you thoroughly tested performance on continents other than Europe?

I see some good Freelancer sites on your list who have removed the bar because of the issues. I wonder if it might be premature to remove those sites until they have had a good opportunity to test performance and observe reliability? I would think that could take several months, at least.

I mostly look at this from the user perspective, which is that the bar is most useful when it contains links to all of the good sites – regardless of whether those sites display the bar or not.

Obviously, do what you think is right. I am just suggesting an alternate POV.

I see your point, but the mutual link exchange has been one of the key points since we started this.
Of course we had issues, but ever since the issues started, everybody had the “excuse” that the bar is not stable and therefore didnt show the bar.

Now, we cannot say “its okay” forever, thats why I made a somewhat ultimatum.

@DiscoUK; You may want to change the code to the new (more reliable) server/dns, see here:
http://the-starport.net/freelancer/news/article.php?storyid=166

FriendlyFire

@Bullwinkle: First, w0dk4 said “next month”, I think that’s a pretty lax schedule and more than enough for everyone to get up to speed.

Second, we’re speaking of a 5kb piece of JavaScript, not the new Amazon website. Any server, anywhere in the world, would be able to manage without noticeable delays, unless it is under attack (which is why we’ve moved the bar away from TSP’s main host in the first place).

Bullwinkle

I disagree on both points, Friendly: a month is not reasonable time to assess reliability, and it does not matter how large the script is if it takes two seconds to resolve and respond (and I am not saying that it does).

However, as I said, do what you think is right. It’s your bar.

rsabatino

i will see what i can do about the bar strange. indeed.ok i tried to fix it i see what happens tommorow. sometimes things break down at forummotion but it works on forum page

http://evilempirerevolution.forumotion.net/forum.htm

ok i copied and pasted the codes from the forums to the portal same thing i also copied and pasted the new code same thing. it could be something on forumotions side. but like i said the forums still has a working bar.

Vesko

Sorry about http://www.lsf-hq.tk/, we just updated to the new version of e107 yesterday and it seems to have killed the bar. I’ll talk with our host to fix this problem as soon as possible.

Bas

@Imperiumclan: WEll, I deleted the old site and created some kind of a placeholder:
http://hwguide.ch/bas/imperium/

However, the bar is present at the forums and I doubt that my placeholder-homepage will be used much anyways.

LancerSolurus

The Frag-force.net bar includes Starport in it, does that count?

It isn’t a FL site though….

rsabatino

update on the evil empire revolution i made it work. just had to remove the code from the body and give it its own box.

w0dk4

Just a reminder for the sites still missing the bar, we will do a cleanup soon.

LancerSolurus wrote:
The Frag-force.net bar includes Starport in it, does that count?

It isn’t a FL site though….

The idea behind the bar is that you can reach every site from every site, therefore if everbody starts to make their own network bar, it kinda fails at that mission.

So, no, a link to Starport does not count because this is not about links to this site, but links to all the sites.

Syd

http://p-s.pytalhost.de/forum/
(dead / no bar)

hm… bar got killed while servermoving… ._.

new adress: www.phoenix-staffel.de with bar^^

WhiteDragon

w0dk4 wrote:
Just a reminder for the sites still missing the bar, we will do a cleanup soon.

LancerSolurus wrote:
The Frag-force.net bar includes Starport in it, does that count?

It isn’t a FL site though….

The idea behind the bar is that you can reach every site from every site, therefore if everbody starts to make their own network bar, it kinda fails at that mission.

So, no, a link to Starport does not count because this is not about links to this site, but links to all the sites.

This is all well and good, but we’ve been forwarding Freelancers to The Starport for a while now. The benefit that i see, with having our site on the network bar, is that we not only support Freelancer, we also support other games, which can also be a help to those who play more than just “Freelancer”.

We have our own network bar, because we are involved in more than just one game. We decided that it was time to take things to the next level, involving more communities from a wider spectrum of games. Instead of having the narrow focus on Freelancer, we’re supporting new release Space Simulation games, FPS games, RTS games etc.

We have a link to The Starport on our network bar, in return of the favour you were doing for us, by having Frag-Force on your bar.

Remove our link if you wish, that’s fine by us. But in action, The Starport will be removed from the Frag-Force bar, and the Affiliates block, and we will no longer be forwarding Freelancers to this site.

FriendlyFire

Do you not understand the purpose of this bar? This is not about The Starport, it’s about the community as a whole. Linking to just this site is missing the point.

Wicked_Witch

I do see the purpose of the bar and the idea behind it.

Only i think if you only put it on Freelancer sites, there don’t come quickly new people. The most who play Freelancer are people who already play for years, or…maybe bypass trough a friend. And my experience is, regardless how old the game now is, a lot of people never hear of it.

But if Frag Force have more games on his site it’s more a “all round gaming” site.
I think on that way you get also maybe new Freelancers. Free commercial for Freelancer outside the Freelancer community

If you put there Starport in as link on the bar, i don’t think it’s a bad thing, because i think that Starport is a central point for Freelancer nowa days.

From here people spread around.
And that’s what a community need to imho.

We can’t suspect that they place all servers in a list, If they have more games on their bar, It’s a common work around for the game Freelancer, centralized at Starport.

And i don’t think that’s hurting the community

There isn’t only black or white. There exist also Grey. (No, not our Wolf)

w0dk4

Dont worry, if we had a significant amount of visits from Frag Force, we’d seek for a compromise, but since that is not the case (we got 1 visit this month from Frag Force) its a win-win situation for Frag Force right now which is simply not fair to the participating sites of the FL community network.

Therefore, it has clearly more value to show the participating sites that we stick to our ideals and values and that we are serious about the community network.

Establishing trust and being reliable are requirements for the network to function.

HunterKiller

Agree;

Get rid of all noted and true (dead) links, not needed and I have wondered why they are in it in the first place. It’s good that you posted this because it most definitely got a response and it’s not up to you to report changes in services other than to keep the FLCNB up to date. It’s up to those that are in it to keep THEIR info coming to you for that purpose.

I don’t run it on my forum because it’s HTML and it’s not allowed per Host. If it were bbcode then yes.

There are many that are just not working or, DEAD as mentioned but some have just moved and have not bothered to inform you of their doing so, some Community. hmm?

Sorry C.C. but, there is no Plasmafire anymore and it needs to go period. You still visit here, you should know. The site doesn’t allow access even to those that once had it.

FLGaming Zone posted that they were closing. I think I posted it here somewhere? Not needed anymore either. There’s others too.

Not knocking anyone here but, 404 Errors and the like suck!

The FLCNB is like having your name up in lights in Hollywood. Yes, it’s nice to see your site advertised in this way but, it’s not the TSP’s job to keep your info updated, it’s yours.

Send updates whenever you change services or, loose it here.

JMHO

HK

foxUnit01

WhiteDragon wrote:
We have a link to The Starport on our network bar, in return of the favour you were doing for us, by having Frag-Force on your bar.

The whole point of the Freelancer Community Network is to link to all Freelancer community sites, not just the Starport - the Starport has nothing to do with it, they just host it. If you’re only linking to the Starport, then you’re missing every single other Freelancer community site normally featured in the FLCN. You’re basically asking to be listed in a link network next to other sites that you yourself don’t link to.

Edit: What the ass, I missed this entire second page. It looks like the link’s already been removed anyways.

Mr Ed

I am a Root-Admin on Frag-Force and I stop in on this site every other day – I don’t sign in but I keep an eye on this community as I have played Freelancer for Years

Alot of the Frag-Force Community stops in on a regular basis as we are all ex-freelancers or on a freelancer break

We also until recently hosted the SSM Freelancer Mod and previously other mods as well but with the server change we lost the ability to host but we are still a companion site to Digital Brilliance and we feature Freelancer Forums on our Site

We are trying to branch out and broaden the community leave us to the Fan sites and possibly take us off the server list but don’t just throw us by the Wayside

Our Mission Statement on the Front Page deliberately Mentions Freelancer and Welcomes them to our site

" While Frag Force no-longer hosts a Freelancer Server, we still encourage and welcome all Freelancer veterans into the community, with open arms. "

Mr-Ed