JFLP / Jason's Freelancer Patch
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warlordfmike wrote:
a game such as this on a new laptop shouldnt to me cause alot of heat.On the contrary, any DirectX game will generate a lot of heat on a laptop, and Freelancer is notorious for it.
Feel the case, top and bottom. Is it warm when you have the lag problem? If so, then it is probably heat.
Here are two good solutions for laptops:
- Raise your laptop off the desk, allowing air to flow freely under the laptop.
Then add an external fan, such as a small desk fan, to blow air under the laptop.
- Use a laptop cooler that blows air up, toward the bottom of the laptop. Many coolers blow air down, which is stupid… it fights the fan inside your laptop.
You can make one yourself (hint: 12v case fans will work on 5v USB power – they will spin slowly, so use a large fan.)
There are many laptop coolers available. One that is cheap and highly functional is: Cheap Laptop Cooler (for desks, not for the lap)
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Check your power saving profile, make sure you’re running the high performance plan if you’re gaming. Don’t play on battery power, this will seriously slow performance on a laptop, play plugged in. Lastly, it maybe a lot newer than the game, but depending on what integrated chipset you have, don’t always expect it to be able to play brilliantly. If you haven’t got a great deal of graphics memory available, expect a slow down in frame rate, many mods have really upped the requirements graphically in comparison to vanilla freelancer.
Try a lower resolution, see if it improves, also try vanilla freelancer and see if that runs fine at current res.
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@Bullwinkle, Okay, no theres no heat problem here. the room im is cold. im freezing. i argee that fans blowing down is dumb.slaps fan makers but this laptop dont have funs on the bottom only one on the side.
the specs of my system are
AMD Turion II P540 Duel Core 2.40ghz, AMD Radeon HD 4250 with 256mb ram and hyper memory. 2gs ram and 500g hdd. so i dont think specs is a problem here. second i can run BF2 with no heat problems aswell and no frame rate lose and the settings are maxed out at 1366x768.@Timmy51m, thanx for reminding me of that setting, i forgot about it. i dont use a laptops battery when i dont need to.
Maybe its just the stock drivers thats causing it. il get em soon as i can. and if that dont work. than il just live with this problem.
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Well, I hope that you track down the source of your problem.
FWIW, room temperature is almost irrelevant. Electronics, especially graphics adapters, generate a lot of heat, which is quickly dissipated if enough air flows by. Without sufficient airflow, heat builds up rapidly. It doesn’t matter whether the room is freezing, if the air next to the chip is 100 degrees C.
Most laptops pull in air from the bottom and push it out the sides. Don’t look for warm air (that is the exhaust). Instead, look for intake vents. Blow air past them (or toward them) to cool the laptop.
Also, AMD chips tend to generate more heat than Intel chips.
I do not know what BF2 is, but a different program will use your computer differently. It is possible that some games might create less heat than Freelancer, but Freelancer is well-known for it. FL may not be the hottest game ever made, but it is definitely hot.
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BF2 = Battlefield 2. sorry. im used to doing that in tech posts. shorting everthing. and the game should cause alittle more problems than Fl.
Iv always read that AMD chips run cooler than Intel and use less power. and to me they are. also more stable than Intel. ever time i have used Intel they seem to crash and over heat far to easly than AMD. which is why i went for a higher price laptop. and we all know that Intel GPUs are total crap. but were getting of subject here. and i dont want to be a jerk.
Theres only one spot on the bottom of the laptop that has a slot that looks like for intake. and FL dont seem to create any heat problems at all. BF2 does how ever seem to create alot of problems such as that. more so on my old pc.
Didnt mean to come off as jerk, never is my goal. but always tend to. Il let it slide til i can get my Video/Sound drivers. and see if that helps. until than, il play around with some settings and see if i can get it worked out. il keep what you guys said in mind.
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Good luck.
I am not necessarily saying that you are having heat problems. I am simply pointing out that nothing you have said rules it out, and some of your beliefs are incorrect.
For example, Intel has far superior power management over AMD. Chips don’t really manage heat, but less power means less heat. There is a cool video on TomsHardware that illustrates this point. It shows an AMD chip and an Intel chip playing Doom 3 without their heatsinks. The AMD chip actually catches fire, while the Intel chip merely slows down.
Keep working at it. You will solve it.
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@Bas: Sounds like you’re confusing Console with JFLP. You were never meant to save in space, especially during a mission, so unlucky. Hm, I must have forgot to mention in the readme that using Console during a mission could be risky. Sorry 'bout that. Likewise with cruise. It seems missions are very particular to speed and timing, as Rebalance 3.55 RC4 discovered.
@warlordfmike: I haven’t said anything, because I have no idea.
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Sry, I was talking about SP console ^^
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After doing some troubleshooting of my own. i managed to get rid of the screen/mouse lagg performance problem. not sure what it was. but i did the following
I stopped using Jason Patch ( Not installer, only Dlls. ) but stopped using it none the less.
Stopped using FLMM ( meaning i copyed over Fl with mod ).
Than using Swwt widescreen and Hudshift. updated Flconfig. and than went to performance tab ingame and just a tad lowered the detail silder just abit.
That all caused the screen/mouse lagg/slow performance to stop. but the blur is still there. that im sure is caused by the HD LED screen.
So im not at all sure what caused the lagg or what not. so one of those is causing it. if not a mix of one or the other. And its not heat related as iv done nothing to stop or slow heat problems.
Thanx for all the advice/support
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Reducing the video performance slider is the most likely of those changes to reduce any screen lag problems.
(It also will reduce the heat generated by your graphics adapter, by the way.)
Anyway, I am glad that you solved your problem.
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Stopped using FLMM ( meaning i copyed over Fl with mod ).
FYI: This might be not suhc a good idea since some FLMM-archives contain scripts which get parsed by FLMM. The content of the scripts will be missing in your FL then.
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For the most part theres alot of things that FLMM can cause. like script problems and FLbak being maded. along some other things. which all can cause some sort for problem either with Jason freelancer patch,Hudshift or the mod it self. either way some where down the road FLMM can cause all types of problems. to me in some cases even performance problems.
@Gisteron, True. but for the most part. people that dont know all the techy stuff could get lost in how to do it that way. and would be best to just stop using FLMM and just unzip the mod and than just copy over the FL fresh install. as its the same thing that FLMM does. but it makes all types of things and does things to the install of FL/Mod on the fly such as FLbak. which to me causes problems.
Plus. FLMM is out of date and has stopped being updated. i have 1.5 beta 1 installed and its not even for use in Vista or even Win 7 so that it self can cause problems. plus FLmm is not perfect in the way it handles mods and your files to the game.
Just my deep thoughts. not sure if any of it makes sense. and this is getting of topic. mybad.
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warlordfmike wrote:
Plus. FLMM is out of date and has stopped being updated. i have 1.5 beta 1 installed and its not even for use in Vista or even Win 7There’s half your problem to start with. 1.5 is rubbish, if you want to screw up FL then carry on using it. Go back to 1.3, it’s the most stable version, only files i’ve seen it leave in are custom system folders, everything else is returned to normal if you use the ‘RESTORE BACKUPS’ function after de-activating a mod
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Im not gonna use FLMM any longer. il keep 1.5 installed just to have it. but to me 1.3 is just as unstable as 1.5.
1.3 does not support vista or win 7 so its unstable there. plus it still creates FLbak files and i for one feel those cause problems of some sort. either way FLMM either needs to be updated or not used. for the reason of it only supporting Win xp.
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Some things I’ve learned over the years. Probably basic for most of you, but for some newer folks this might be helpful.
We used SDK 1.3 when we developed our mod. In order for our mod to even install, the client has to install SDK1.3. That’s because, with the exception of ADDED directories and files, FLMM does ALL of our mods edits via scripting and with no problems. We will be switching to the JFLP for future edits.
In order for the SDK and mods to work, there is some prep work you have to do however.
You need to start with a clean install of FL. This is normally a no-brainer, but surprisingly often, it’s the last thing players, modders, and even admins think of. Uninstall Freelancer after saving your savegames to another location, (if you’re running a server, save the multiplayer folder in your my documents\my games\freelancer folder to another location).
*** Win7 and Vista Users Note: *** For Win7 and Win Vista users, Install all Freelancer programs by right-clicking on the setup.exe file and choose ‘run as administrator’. Some people have found it necessary to disable User Account Control in order for it to work as well.
Now, reinstall FL. Running the MS 1.1 update is necessary only if you’re running a server. I think it’s a good idea to do regardless. After installing FL, reboot your machine and run FL in order to set up your multiplayer profile on your client machine.
Once that’s done, right click on the installation file for the SDK and again, choose ‘run as administrator’. Make sure the SDK file installs to the same location as your Freelancer\DATA folder. It overwrites the ini files in that directory and subdirectories. When that’s finished, verify correct installation by opening any *.ini file in your FL directory. If you can’t read it, you installed the SDK to the wrong location. If you installed FL into it’s default location, the SDK install should just follow it there automatically.
Now, right-click on the installation file for FLMM, (we’re using version 1.4beta4 as it has some features 1.3 does not have. It also has some issues such as not deleting directories that have been added in, but there are ways around that…). Choose ‘run as administrator’ again.
You should now be completely set up to run mods via FLMM. For best results, when switching mods you need to shut down FL (duh), and then verify that it is indeed shut down by making sure the Freelancer and FLServer processes are no longer running in Task Manager (start/run/taskmgr) If the program is still listed there, some files won’t be written to because they’re still showing up as ‘in use’. After disabling/deactivating a mod, go to the Tools/Restore Backups option in FLMM and run that also. Once you’ve done that, you should be gtg to activate the next mod you wish to use.
Now, regarding scripting… Whenever our players complain that the mod won’t activate, it’s almost ALWAYS because the above directions weren’t followed. With Win7 and Vista 64-bit installations Freelancer is usually installed into the C:\Program Files (x86) directory instead of the C:\Program Files directory. For best compatiblity results in running a 64-bit OS, manually install FL into the C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Freelancer\ directory.
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Good point. I always recommend players run the SDK before running our mod in order to ensure a good clean install, but also because my mod is written to the SDK. If my mod is written around a file that the SDK has already edited, it may not find the correct line(s) to edit if they’re still vanilla.
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warlordfmike wrote:
Im not gonna use FLMM any longer. il keep 1.5 installed just to have it. but to me 1.3 is just as unstable as 1.5.1.3 does not support vista or win 7 so its unstable there. plus it still creates FLbak files and i for one feel those cause problems of some sort. either way FLMM either needs to be updated or not used. for the reason of it only supporting Win xp.
Some people don’t want to listen.
SDK 1.3 just replaces some files in FL just like 1.5 does, there is no such thing as incompatibility with Win Vista/7
