Hi all

Welcome to The Starport Jammi.

I agree with those that said your best bet is to contact Gibbon. More approachable

Have fun, and make yourself at home. ;D

R.

it is interesting to see that a normal request and question of a player is getting used to discredit me and my community

it is even more interesting that even admins of this site consider those flames being legit and funny while its actually a violation of forum rules… but that doesnt really surprise me anymore after one of them accused me of starting a flamewar that actually has been caused by other people

I am glad that there are people like tunicle which support FL and its players instead just one of their communities carelessly of what stupid rumours are being spread against other communities.

The discovery matter is not your business and for sure you have no real idea what it really was about as nobody of you was really involved in it. And now that neccessary changes have been done due to my initial actions and the various responses from other servers and mods there aint any remaining troubles. Just some healthy agreements between 2 of the biggest FL communities which have positive effects on the entire FL community.

Yes, OPR8R. We sorta missed you and as usual will take every opportunity to tease
you just like we do everybody else in the entire community. BUT,

If anyone had really wanted to make a argument against contacting you about it,
you made the LOUDEST one of all…

Come on M8, Lighten up a bit and realize there was nothing that terrible said.
Certainly no attack made at anyone’s “community” or “camp” that somehow has gotten
perceived as squared off against another.

My questions are,
Why not just tease back?
AND
Do you really wanna light for that thing again?

This thread again has potential to flame - dunno but it has.

What the heck is going on here continuously? Indeed it was a bad wording and i took it as an disfavour directed to OP-R8R and SWAT. You just lolled about coming from anywhere (discovery) to swat.
Also recently actions showed me that you don’t like what OP-R8R is saying. Dunno why but minds are open and you TSP requested for minds. You cannot expect that anyone shares the same minds like you. And so you have to live with constructive criticism. If you liked it or not (no obvious you didn’t).

Its was OP-R8R right to remove the stuff here - legally you have to remove stuff that is his own and he requests to. I know you all didn’t liked it. Hence you all only see the evil in OP. You don’t know him, you cant respect his work for the community - coz you constantly discredit him and his work (not only modding). Thought one aim for TSP is also to unite the FL communities - but it is failing if those badmouthing doesn’t stop. Of course you can ignore what he is saying (but dunno its kinda hard minded to ignore something from a experienced FL member).
I feel kinda wondered that there is not much discredit about TSP or some members of it on the SWAT forums - at least i am sure not as much as i found here about SWAT especially OP-R8R.

I would like to see more unity and not the opposite. With such statements above you wont do any better and the communities will drifting more away from each other.

I personally can’t be bothered to watch another flame war commence.
So Swat, they weren’t flaming you, it’s called having a joke.
Although it shouldn’t really have been said, again it was meant as a joke.
Can someone lock this before hell breaks loose please.

Yes, Please… Lock the Thread… OPR8R is a reasonable guy if he was the only one to reply calmly to it would be over but that’s not gonna happen is it…

So sorry I opened my mouth, might be why they don’t want me on the Fire Brigade. I might have confused the Bucket marked “Benzin” with the one marked “Wasser” again…

I’m amazed at how some people can’t take jokes at all.

In any case, I’m not locking this. Why? Because it’s derailed from its original purpose and we shouldn’t be locking it for this poor guy who just said hello. Let’s get back on the topic’s subject and be done with it.

Excuse me when I say that but your “jokes” are very offensive and unfair.
More flames than jokes.
They serve nothing but discrediting that community.

edit: sometimes you have to find out that you was wrong and the other was correct. this time it was me.

hmm… regardless of who takes what to were and whats said therein…

I stand by my post!. Gibbon’s overall much more approachable… take that for what you will

OP… you know you have a nasty habit of poo poo’ ing things why get all offended when its mentioned?
& its pretty easy to change that public perception just by being a little less angry and jumpy about anything
new or even old “re-hashed”… do me, yourself and the entire FL communty a huge favor… And prove me wrong…
Support just 1 cool idea… say yay… instead of nay once in a while… and i’ll gladly change “my” opinion.

and anyone who takes that for a flame… is just trolling

now can we PLEASE all get back to helping this guy make his Starlancer mod?? that is why were all here aint it… to help each other…

That’s not missig sense of humor imho

• that’s a lack of self reporting and loss of reality
  when
  someone posts something like THIS in a public forum
  and cries and bitches around afterwards on every small occasion
  
  about the people being sooooo
  unfair, unfriendly, …… blablablabblablablabblablablabblablablabblablablab
  … community … more blablablabblablablabblablablabblablablabblablablab …

And the initial sentence HERE shows everyone,
what those persons statements are worth:
exactly nothing.

For those reasons, anything not promoting this persons opinion,
will just lead to more crying and bitching.

And obviously there are also ‘friends’, who are willing to do that job
or maybe a little voting at MODDB or pushing that person to announce a mod here against their own confidence.

And you guys wonder why i stay away from here these days, ffs GROW UP the lot of you

@Jammi

Send me an email buddy and i’ll see what can be done (Use my hotmail addy)

edit: sometimes you have to find out that you was wrong and the other was correct. this time it was me.

@Daywalker:

It´s just a personal vendetta on a community site! This is clearly a wrong behavior and should be stopped afap.

Euh sorry to say. I have nothing against Swat. But why may he have a opinion and others not?
If others don’t agree with him, it’s a personal vendetta?
Sorry i miss the link i guess.

Maybe people get agitated because of a post of Selmor. And i have the feeling that i know this guy.
http://the-starport.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=1646.msg15112#msg15112

When i read this post, it must be like as if OP8R is a god for the FL community.
Well, let me tell you this, nobody is a god. We are all people who takes care of the FL community. Some do maybe a bit more, because there knowledge is a bit more, but makes that one better than a person who doesn’t know more? He/she helps on another way, helping with small things, is just valuable as helping with big things.

But reactions of stamping with our feets, if you think nobody is listen to you, if you thinks nobody never agree with me, if you think they make a fool of me, leads to nothing.

btw… i pick this quote from you, but it’s for everybody who can read

@Jammi:

'Lo, I’m Jammi from the Discovery mod. If you’ve been over there you’ve probably spotted me at some time or other. I just thought it’d probably be a good idea to come on over here to see what was going on!

Aside from that I’ve got a dream of creating a total conversion Starlancer mod for Freelancer - I’ve no idea whether this has been done before, and I most certainly don’t have the skills to do it yet, but I’ll be learning and looking for help! You can get anything done with persistence and dedication, right?

Well, hopefully it’s as good here as people say. I’m sure you guys are just great.

Hello Jammi, you’ll have to excuse the fact that some people here are morons and some are fanboys.
I personally would love to see a starlancer mod for freelancer, as I never really did get used to not use the mouse in starlancer. I hope you do well in your endeavours,

LOL yeah just a simple joke - sorry that i forgot about that. TLR had make also a simple joke once with this porn - wasn’t it?
And all these jokes around - i can barely sit on my chair for lolling

I know its OT but what is so hard to understand that someone can requests to let remove his stuff. Its his. He can post public as well. You must not agree to it - but it was legally ok.

Its not that we overact here bases on a simple joke. Its just that the joke was more offensive than a joke. I am asking myself what will happen when we would post such jokes at swat continuously - what is not the fact btw…
And OP-R8R is no god - we didnt stated anything like this - it is just much discredit thats all. And again i am sure what you wont find that much discredit about anything else on the swat forums. But anywhere around OP-R8R is discredit… weird isnt it?

And therefore we are the evil guys… clear… we are

@Huor:

I know its OT but what is so hard to understand that someone can requests to let remove his stuff. Its his. He can post public as well. You must not agree to it - but it was legally ok.

Hmm, why does he feels attacked than when Predator ask if he wanna delete the stuff from WTS?

@Predator:

Originally Posted by Predator
i have pm this to SWAT

hi there can you remove all my stuff from youre forum
and delete my name also ?
when you have done that you can send me a email at [email protected]

thx freelancer/predator server host from the wts

As i already wrote in my PM reply I will not waste my time with the removal of anything.
I fail to see why I actually should do that. In the past months I was often enough target of FIRs attacks in close to all FL communities (and obviously he belongs to your team). Attacks which often were very personal and offensive. And now I get such a request without even being told about serious reasons (if those exist).

In the past years I have recommented WTS to many players… I did this on TLR and on many other FL sites… I did ads for WTS… and all of a sudden I receive such a treatment from you WTS guys?
Maybe such a behaviour is normal in the new freelancer community meanwhile… ?

SWAT_OP-R8R

Nothing wrong with the request from Predator right?
It’s not brutal, it’s a polite request?
So, yes indeed, what’s so hard to understand to that request, and why feel attacked?
Op may ask it, than it’s okay. Another may not ask it, than it must be burned out?
Sorry, i miss the link again i guess

Again, i have nothing to OPR8R. Don’t know the guy, but why is it okay for him to ask, and if another person ask him, he feel attacked?
What’s the difrence between Predator and OPR8R?
He writes he do ads for the WTS well, so do we for SWAT, and for more other community’s. So….???

Only if others have to say something against it, than he/she starting a flamewar or a vendetta.
I’m really sorry, think i must color my hair again to another one, to really understand the difrence

I found the joke was very obvious and entertaining.

You know, this thread is a nice example how UBER-serious you all take your communities and loyalities and responsabilities and your mods and your incredible copyrighted work and so on… really lighten up!

@Huor: Throwing this and TLR’s porn together in the same bin is like saying Nazis and the guy who threw a shoe at George Bush are of the same threat category. It’s both plain wrong and just as distasteful as what you’re crying about.

I stand by my opinion, just like w0dk4’s.

Now this is a last warning: get back on topic or I will DELETE replies following this one that are not.

It is easy to blame someone… it is not that easy to prove it.

You blame me to be guilty of something… of being offensive… of not supporting projects.
An interesting claim.

The open letter from the TSP admins:
The TSP admins requested help and feedback on that threads saying that they are not able anymore to run this place due to the lack of time and interest.
I went to that thread… I gave objective non-biased feedback. I offered my help there.
Just one single thread that was only about the topic of that thread… not a single offensive word has been said by me.
The response were stupid claims… insults and other crap directed against me.
In the end this thread got closed by a TSP admin which at the same time claimed that I started a flamewar.
I wonder how I did this because others have started the troubles… TSP members which got offensive and used the thread to attack me.

(on a side note: IF the TSP admins have no time and no interest in FL anymore like they claimed on that particular thread… why did one of them join the reactorforge admin team then? obviously TSP has enough other problems and projects that are not finished nor even started to be done. And why in gods name does guy started a thread on the RF admin forum trying to convince the other RF staff members not to listen to my suggestions. Sorry but i am sick of that backstabbing crap that is done behind the scenes.)

The incredible idea to create a Freelancer movie:
After everybody cried “yay” to that idea I brougth up legit arguements speaking against such a project.
Such as the weird story which was based on a server mod instead of FL, the fact that the production of such a movie does take years, that there is no real concept.
Until today none of my arguements could have been revoked by better arguements. No - instead sticking to what has been discussed the personal attacks against me started out of nothing.
This happened before and must be a forum policy here… if you run out of arguements -> get personal and offend others.
I wonder how the arguement/fact “it takes years to create such a movie” can lead to reply “you are a negative bastard” and more of those comments.

@Xarian_Prime
you want that I support something?

• Well I supported TLR years ago when it was supposed to get shut down with the result that it could stay online for one more year until microsoft pulled the plug. I have spent much time and money to support that community to ensure that the freelancer modders and admins have a community they can call their home.
• I support many mods out there… teaching modders directly
• I have supported TSP until it developed to another TLR
• I support some of the biggest FL projects and communities.
• I always supported modders with new ideas and encouraged players to post their ideas no matter how they might seem to realize
• I supported the fairplay in the Freelancer community for years interfering when certain communities claim “we are the best” or when troubles between FL server had to be sorted out

I can not support anything that is doomed to fail.
Examples:
The famous TLR meeting in november 2007. Many of you were there and you all agreed with the great big plans that were being made there.
Only one guy (me) voiced his concerns about those plans and asked the most dangerous question ever: “how do you plan to realize that?”.
Up to now i didnt get a response to that question. The only i got was this negative shittalk about me that you guys still do.
Fact is we dont fact that incredible TLR Freelancer hub… no we have some hacking jerks instead. And that because you guys ignored valid arguements and answered them with personal attacks.

A few weeks later there was a project that I would have supported at any circumstances. A project which could have delayed the shut down of the global list server and therefore a project that could have kept high the numbers of FL players. But well - The same people said “no we can do it better” … and we know the results meanwhile.

I could go on with many other situations where my judgement about a project has turned to be true.
Openlancer
Uberlancer
Mod spotlight
FL wiki
FL movie
TSP 2.0
All these project got hyped… where are they now?

The FL tournament… I discussed it with bas when he started it… I told him what will happen. Meanwhile several months passed by… my words have been turned out to be true about it.

Now Xarian_Prime I fulfilled your request to prove you wrong.

My judgement is not based on that crappy god thing you claim… it is simply based on 9 years of experience and at least in the past 4 years I have never been wrong with the choice of projects that I support.

@FIR
It does not surprise me that you jump into this thread to attack me once more. How many times did you do that this year on all of the FL communities already? 8-9 times meanwhile?.. turning normal discussion into “lets attack OP-R8R” flamewars.
You did it several times here meanwhile… you did it twice on TLR… and you did it on STN… oh damn FLC does not have such a thread yet… but I guess that is just a matter of time.
You seem to use every chance to attack me and my community… it is no secret that you do that for months meanwhile. And now you are pointing to well known public threads to do what?
You have posted enough lies about me and your claims about moddb are plain stupid as my work did belong to those which got attacked.

Unlike you I dont start posts with the intent to attack somebody and unlike you I support the FL community and its sites carelessly of personal grudges against certain people. You can find hundreds of threads online where I didnt tell players to join my community when they were looking for a mod but sending them to other communities.
And if you would follow daywalkers links you would notice that Bas and I tried out best to promote FL and get FL mods burned on the DVD of one of the biggest german gaming magazines. After there were concerns about licence problems with the Starwars mod (Freeworlds -> which i suggested to be used) I suggest to put other mods such as Discovery, Tekagies Treasure and WTS on that DVD. A suggestion I meanwhile regret after reading that crap from you FIR.

It it is very interesting to see how server admins and modders of TSP act. How they talk behind the scenes… how they spread rumours and lies, how they act with deepest disrespect to other people and their work.
I feel almost like being back on TLR.

Taken from moddb

Ruppetthemuppet Apr 6 2009, 10:07am says:

Crossfire is Fail. Stolen Fail at that.

a few weeks later a member of another FL modding team comes to my mod profile and start a giant flamewar claiming that the stuff in my mod has been stolen from other mods. It wasnt hard to prove him wrong and he admitted that he was being told that this is the case by some server admins here at TSP.
I wonder how many more lies are being told by the members behind the locked boards of this community and via messenger.

@Wicked_Witch
Except the continious trash talk of FIR against me and my community I have not seen a single time that you WTS people did promote anything SWAT related.
And because of exactly that trash talk from FIR I denied that request. That the request to remove that stuff has something to do with FIR has been confirmed in a later PM.
Everybody on my forum has the right to edit and delete own posts… everybody on my forum has the right to delete the entire account by doing just a few clicks. So why in gods name do you think that people which constantly do trash talk against me and my community have the right to demand something from me? Especially when they easily could do that stuff without my help.

@FriendlyFire
but throwing other stuff together like it has been done before is better?

and now something about the Starlancer stuff
never before I have revoked the usage right of my work… the only times I asked somebody to remove my work from their server was when they used it without my permission.

The ships that are being used at SWAT and the ships being used by gibbon have about the same quality since gibbon and I worked together and helped each other.
Next to that… with SWAT having 3 active starlancer projects (2 FL mods and 1 Starlancer remake on a different game engine) it was somewhat unfair to tell jammi (who has absolutly no modding experience) to get a few models and create a mod from the scratch while such mods do already exist or are in production.

“i want to play FL”
“go get a game engine and code that game”