Hi all

@OPR8R:

in that case the music here at TSP sounds terrible

So why do you feel the need to keep posting here ?

You certainly seem to have a high opinion of yourself. Aren’t you a bit self-obsessed to feel the need to keep bragging about your alleged great achievements and write pages of self-praise ?

As far as the average FL player like me can see, you are not any more important than any of the active contributors to this community and I don’t see any of them speak half as much about themselves and “their community” as you do.

If you feel unfairly targeted, a bit of humility and tact may be a good start to help your cause.

I repeat it again (as i have said it 2 times before)
It was requested by one of the previous posters that I show what I have done in the FL community and has nothing to do with self-praise. And I am posting here because some people here think they have the right to discredit me, my work and my community on this and other thread. If this wouldnt have happened in first place I wouldnt have been in the need to defend my community and its members here.

Not even an appoligy to me and what is even more important to me members has been done. This topic wouldnt even have been run out of control if people wouldnt have verbally attacked my community and this topic would be long gone if those people would have appologized.

@Huor:

@Dark Angel:
Don’t switch the statements. You know what you have posted and it was clear whom you meant. If not i guess you does not meant the TSP Hence i thank you for naming me moron - i really appreciate it

I actually think both sides of the arguments are fanboys and morons, not everyone but some. So I’d reserve your assumptions.

As we all can see:
The facts are twisting over and over again.
Now it’s forum policy, not to remove the topic as request by Predator.

A not to be discussed law of ‘God OP-R8R’ (as to read in the SWAT forum):

That topic there will also enlight, why SWAT and friends show here:
To have a little flamewar


and to
@OPR8R:

… show what I have done in the FL community …

what for sure
@OPR8R:

… . has nothing to do with self-praise. …

even if
@OPR8R:

I repeat it again (as i have said it 2 times before) …

Some of us are obviously so silly,
that God OP-R8R has to tell us 3 times,
who he is.

And obviously that’s what’s community for him:
All have to praise OP-R8R and
@F!R:

……anything not promoting this persons opinion,
will just lead to more crying and bitching.

TY + have a nice live.

you forget to say that these posts were made after people here started to attack me and my work… you blame us if we defend ourself from initial attacks that got done here?

you cant let it go to attack and discredit another community… that is what is happening here
it went even so far that Septimus which meanwhile joined SWAT received personal attacks and threats via mail containing that some people here want to destroy SWAT
how sick are you that you have to act in such a way?
because of what?
because I said “no” to some ideas… go to the threads and have a look how many people voiced ecactly the same oppinion about those ideas… do they get blamed? no… if they say something then it is ok.

you blame me for going to TLR. look around how many of those people here went to TLR to get their mods announced… underverse, monkey universe, discovery and many others but the only community getting blamed for it is SWAT

you blame us for what we wrote on our forum… but you dont say that this was just in reply to what has been written about us before on THIS forum here
obviously when you start to flame about others … even insult others then it is ok but if those others defend each other then it is an evil act that we initiated because what you have done before to provoke that we have to defend us is suddenly not important anymore

Maybe I just should post some logs on my forum to show what is happening here. Maybe I should post some screenshots from the TSP admin boards… some communities our there would surely will be interested and for sure surprised about what has been discussed about them.

and about the self praising
as long I was member of TSP the oppinions about the achievements that have been done for the FL community it has been used by TSP in various threads and news… “WE THE IMFAMOUS FREELANCER COMMUNITY have achieved THIS AND THAT… WE HAVE MANAGED TO GET MANY FL COMMUNITES ADDED TO THE MS FANSITE… WE HAVE MANAGED TO BUILD MODS THAT GOT INTO THE TOP100 OF MOTY AWARDS… WE HAVE DONE SO MUCH OTHER STUFF… WE ARE THE HEROS”
actually that stuff has been done by others… and now is called “self praising”

Fir m8,

i am a bit longer here than all the troubles started. So i am not only here cause i will defend SWAT and the community i am belonging to. In first instance i am here to read news about FL and its modding community. So am i blamed for this now? You are pleased to explain why friends of SWAT are here. Cause you seem to know better than me why i am here…

OP is right about what you have pictured here. The “bad” posts at SWAT were made after OP was discredit here again as he wrote about the criticism about his minds whats going wrong here. Well what you posted there on screenshots are just jokes m8. Ahm wait - jokes - i got a deja vu If you would post some screens from the first post of this thread you would also show that SWAT would see a lost if TSP would have went down and were lost in the community. Nothing at all - screenshots are only a momentum you wont even recognize in what content they were posted. So don’t have something valuable to add. Yep truly there was posted something “funny” about having flames here. But thats not your business and it was not related to WTS.

Anyway Fir. Your issues with SWAT have nothing to do with TSP. So I please you to come to SWAT with your concerns. Anyhow we need to stop bitching each other here where nothing of this is TSP related - at least not between you and OP.

@OP: Err, I’m sorry but that’s going a tad too far. Yes, we are proud of what the community is doing. That doesn’t mean we’re taking ownership on it. You’re twisting the words of everyone involved here. If you want to have a one-sided argument where you’re making up stuff, feel free to go elsewhere. I’ve been discussing with Huor through PMs and liked where it was going, but you show a complete lack of manners here that makes me fear this was all a waste.

We’ve never said we got other sites added on the fansite apart from ours. We know you added the others and we thanked you for it already (see this thread for the whole story, and remember “we” means EVERYONE INVOLVED: you, me, that little guy in the corner that joined FL yesterday, we as the global FL community). Yes, we did achieve a few things. Do we have to hide that fact or can’t we simply rejoice about what contributions we’ve done? The FLCN works, so what? We can be happy about it, no need to get jealous or hide the fact. The self-praising you’re describing is incredibly skewed from reality.

As for the email, I’d really like to see it, and so would the other server admins. That kind of attitude is intolerable, no matter the level of disagreement we have. If you can forward us the original sender and the contents of the message, we will make sure whoever sent it loses any access to the server admins and owners boards as we do not condone such actions.

Oh and OP, the server admins boards are private for a reason. They’re used so other admins can speak out their opinion freely without having to soften it or veil it, no matter how wrong it may seem to the outsider. Showing those would just fuel hatred for no reason.

Concentrate on the work, and even: what you can do for others.

Otherwise, may beeps bite you.

I hate doing this so here it goes. This needs to stop now, this thread has turned into who has the best community, who’s been in the FL community the longest, and I have done this for the community, etc, etc. I see one little jib turn into 5 pages of spam. Does it ever stop?? I can go to at least 3 different sites and see the same stuff over and over again. I even get propositioned by the Swat Community to join them (Jan 2008). Now I know why I like to be quiet because of all the negative stuff that goes on in the Freelancer Community in general. More than likely anything I try to post on my mod will get overrun by fanboys and their ilk (Come to this sever we have the best community, we have the best mod, we won this award, we have been nominated this many years in a row, etc. Come on, just because a mod is nominated doesn’t mean it is the best) and the original topic be forgotten (Like this one).  Come on guys, are we trying to kill FL or make it live?? More than likely, I’ll catch flak from this, but I can care less. I am about to strike out on my own if stuff like this keeps on going on.

I’m a half crazy 50 years old system maker, not a pro at all. But I can do some nice stuff, check at

http://www.uberlancer.com/index.php/topic,645.msg7506.html#new (Uberlancer / Space my trace).

In case anyone is doing something meaningful, I just might be available. Personal e-mail [email protected].

Remember: I love the game, not you.

@Nightstalker:

I hate doing this so here it goes. This needs to stop now, this thread has turned into who has the best community, who’s been in the FL community the longest, and I have done this for the community, etc, etc. I see one little jib turn into 5 pages of spam. Does it ever stop?? I can go to at least 3 different sites and see the same stuff over and over again. I even get propositioned by the Swat Community to join them (Jan 2008). Now I know why I like to be quiet because of all the negative stuff that goes on in the Freelancer Community in general. More than likely anything I try to post on my mod will get overrun by fanboys and their ilk (Come to this sever we have the best community, we have the best mod, we won this award, we have been nominated this many years in a row, etc. Come on, just because a mod is nominated doesn’t mean it is the best) and the original topic be forgotten (Like this one).  Come on guys, are we trying to kill FL or make it live?? More than likely, I’ll catch flak from this, but I can care less. I am about to strike out on my own if stuff like this keeps on going on.

You’re just about right. And persons who have been associated longer with Freelancer, have said the same: There’s unnecessary competition within the Freelancer community. My personal view is, I would want to participate in the best mod ever - I’m a member in Uberlancer - but can that be made?

I wish it could, I’m even sure it could… but the narrowmindness of men seem to obstruct.

I welcome you and all others willing to participate in a common cause. Personal e-mail [email protected].

What’s bright mind, or mad blindness above everything?

In the sense of a game, I doubt our knowledge.

Get along, it’ll be just fine.

@PT: There’s an edit button, you know. Triple-posting is a tad much, especially when there’s a lot of self-promotion in the posts.

@Nightstalker: You’re right on some things, but I just don’t think I can just keep quiet in front of that.

**What i find sad about all this is the lack of maturity shown by most ppl posting in this thread. For a start its bad form to hijack a thread and for that most of you should apologize to the thread creator.

Secondly, irrespective of whose right or wrong here, most of the posters here have access to the admin section of the forum so why not continue the ravings there instead of airing all of this in public and making you all look like a bunch of pissed off schoolkids? What message is this sending to people visiting the forum? A very negative one i’m afraid.

I personally am tired of all the bickering so why don’t you do it behind closed doors, hand the thread back to its creator, and we can all move on and hopefully the original request of this thread can be answered. (Which it already has but i’ve had no email on the subject)

Seriously guys, enough is enough**

@Huor:

…. what you posted there on screenshots are just jokes m8. Ahm wait - jokes - i got a deja vu …

Nice you almost got it

• talking about incompetence of the admins here or similar things and
  about starting a flamewar is ‘a joke’.
  Maybe a ‘joke’ like the TLR pornlink you mentioned above?

And that - i also got a deja vu - joke here was to
@OPR8R:

… discredit me and my community…

I m convinced, everyone - besides you guys - is able,
to see the little difference in these two ‘jokes’.

So you guys try to twist facts and the things, you and others said, over and over again.
If you insult others, it’s your right or you have to defend yourself or it’s just a joke.
If someone points at facts and doesn’t share your strange opinions, it’s an attack or insult.
And no one should ever dare to joke about GODS.

Their is only one god no joke and it an’t OPy sorry

seems the Thread is way off topic

Bickering is demeaning to you and the game,every one should be working together,pooling knowlege and wisdom of the tools and the game to futher reach attainable goals with FreeLancer ::)

@Yellow:

Bickering is demeaning to you and the game,every one should be working together,pooling knowlege and wisdom of the tools and the game to futher reach attainable goals with FreeLancer ::)

Aye, most of us are working together and are getting along just fine mate. But in all things there is that small element that is the source of commotion and disruption.

Way back in post #10 on the first of six pages I pointed out there was a over reaction to someone being teased. And yes, I have also gotten my answer to the two questions I asked. No, you don’t wish to just tease back. Yes, you defiantly wanted a light. In fact having read afterward the public discussion on SWAT forum it’s clear you where awaiting any excuse to light that torch once again. No, I don’t want to debate it further, I want to ask that it ends.

This funfest that some seem to have anticipated has raged on here long enough. How about it is taken elsewhere for a bit as I am certain the people here are sick of it. For any who really are fans of flames, why don’t they start a explosive discussion in there own forum. Let it rage and burn for years for all I care, we can all come to it and help you keep it going if that is what it really takes to make you happy. There is allot of communities here that do get along that come together to accomplish real goals, they may not obtain these goals quickly or even realize a majority of some over ambitious plans but they do go try. And for the most part these communities get along peacefully quite well.

If some must have a illusion of strife to make themselves feel empowered so be it, just stop trying to prove the illusion is true to everyone else. Honestly we don’t need problems to be created, aired, dragged out, agonized over, endless over and over with no resolution in sight just to prove some point yet to be made…

NO, I will Not respond to any questions or counter to any of what I just said. You can read it or ignore it, that is your choice.
I am done with this ridiculous thread…

@F!R:

@Huor:

…. what you posted there on screenshots are just jokes m8. Ahm wait - jokes - i got a deja vu …

Nice you almost got it

• talking about incompetence of the admins here or similar things and
  about starting a flamewar is ‘a joke’.
  Maybe a ‘joke’ like the TLR pornlink you mentioned above?

And that - i also got a deja vu - joke here was to

I am happy that you come to a conclusion. It was a joke. Joke is joke - no matter what is the content of it. If i shall explain it to you feel free to contact me via PM.
Still you point out moments of the Thread at SWAT. But it is starting on page 1 and not on page 2. So still no valuable information you throw in here - because they are out of context.

You are also pleased to point me to an insult of another one. I am not that kind of person - and I think we didn’t started with it in first instance - please do it via PM.

I joke about anything i feel to do so - even if its god - who btw is not existing (but thats another topic). I don’t twist anything at all - and if you are pleased to point me into that direction so I can see my faults - still please via PM.

Finally i think you should calm down a bit - or are you an admin of TSP? And you were even not involved into this joke here - dunno why you had to interfere at all. Like i told before - if you have something to say directed to swat you are pleased to do this at SWAT - or have you seen something that we have spoken of WTS here?

Again an apology to TSP - the OT was not an intention!