/v/lancer strikes again?
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Pastaspace wrote:
Implying mods of any other type actually survive
Implying a bunch of active players didn’t decide to make this mod because every other mod was awfulI have to agree. The reason /v/lancer exists is because every single one of the 20+ modding team was sick of how bad and terribly put together every other mod was.
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Skeletor wrote:
Pastaspace wrote:
Implying mods of any other type actually survive
Implying a bunch of active players didn’t decide to make this mod because every other mod was awfulI have to agree. The reason /v/lancer exists is because every single one of the 20+ modding team was sick of how bad and terribly put together every other mod was.
A thousand times this. Again, I’d like to repeat that the sense of entitlement and unwarranted self-importance here is astounding. Is there a legitimate reason why you’re acting like that kid in kindergarten who flipped a #$%% when he was forced to share? Because so far I haven’t heard one. From the start it’s been “DURR HE STOLED TINGS HE NOT 'LOWED TO LETS HURF AND DURF ABOUT IT DEY CANT COME HERE NO MORES” rather than, again, the way it is in EVERY OTHER MODDING COMMUNITY, which is “Oh, you’re gonna edit my mod? Alright, man, that’s cool, just make sure you credit my name in there. So long as others enjoy it that’s good enough for me.”
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waves hand
hey, modeler here.
Just my two bits. When I make something, I usually have a purpose for it. Now first, I consider 3d modeling an art form, so do a lot of other people, including the US Gov’t.
So, when someone makes any model, at least for a US citizen and any country aligned with the US copyright law, that model is immediately covered by copyright law, no matter what the intention of use is for. Unless, of course, it was made before 1989… then it has to carry a copyright symbol.
ANYWAYS.
What I’m making clear here, is that a 3d Model is covered in both US and International Copyright law. Whether or not someone wants to spend the money to pursue you for Infringement is up to them. I guess in the end it’s totally up to you if you want to risk a lawsuit or not.
Also, dont give me any #$%% about /v/. I’m a #$%% /b/tard, been one since 1975. Deal with it.
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Anubis wrote:
waves handhey, modeler here.
Just my two bits. When I make something, I usually have a purpose for it. Now first, I consider 3d modeling an art form, so do a lot of other people, including the US Gov’t.
So, when someone makes any model, at least for a US citizen and any country aligned with the US copyright law, that model is immediately covered by copyright law, no matter what the intention of use is for. Unless, of course, it was made before 1989… then it has to carry a copyright symbol.
ANYWAYS.
What I’m making clear here, is that a 3d Model is covered in both US and International Copyright law. Whether or not someone wants to spend the money to pursue you for Infringement is up to them. I guess in the end it’s totally up to you if you want to risk a lawsuit or not.
Also, dont give me any #$%% about /v/. I’m a #$%% /b/tard, been one since 1975. Deal with it.
Sorry. The Berne Convention doesn’t apply to things like Mods and Fanfiction. It is also against Freelancers EULA to reverse engineer models to work with said commercial game.
Your entire argument is invalid in the face of cold, hard legal facts.
EDIT: For those who don’t believe me, check the EULA.RTF in the Freelancer directory.
·Limitations on Reverse Engineering, Decompilation, and Disassembly. You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the SOFTWARE PRODUCT, except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation.
tl;dr Modding of freelancer in general is illegal and you cannot copyright anything you make for it. Therefore it is all subject to the U.S. Fair Use laws.
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In the point of 3d models, no it is not. No matter what form the artwork is used for, the initial act of creation is given protection. Just because an object is placed into a mod does not void it’s protection. I could, for example, create a model. That model could then be given to a team. That team decides to use it as a Liberty Destroyer.
Then someone else decides to use the model, ripped from that mod, in their own work, be it another FL mod, or in a machinima vid, or as a render object for a Desktop. They need my permission to use it. Without my permission, they do not have a legal right to use it.
You fail to discern the difference between being an object’s use and the actual object itself.
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I hereby request you submit legally documented proof of your copyright on said models that you do not want in /v/lancer. They must be signed and dated BEFORE they were ever uploaded to the internet, or else they become fair use. You can’t upload something, then months later apply for a copyright, and have it be valid.
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retards like this is why I’m really thinking of pulling hte plug on my eve-online freelancer mod.
But meh, If i see others ripping my mod apart and using the ships without proper credits I will let the TRADMARKED company know about it and let them come after you.
Anyways With that said, I ask for this thread to be locked, removed and archived away. this whole thread is a troll attempt and thus should be stopped right away.
So long and thanks for all the fish. . . .
Lonestar
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In the point of 3d models, no it is not. No matter what form the artwork is used for, the initial act of creation is given protection. Just because an object is placed into a mod does not void it’s protection. I could, for example, create a model. That model could then be given to a team. That team decides to use it as a Liberty Destroyer. Then someone else decides to use the model, ripped from that mod, in their own work, be it another FL mod, or in a machinima vid, or as a render object for a Desktop. They need my permission to use it. Without my permission, they do not have a legal right to use it. You fail to discern the difference between being an object’s use and the actual object itself.
Ok several things.
First off, more research on my behalf reveals that you would actually have to go and copyright that #$%%.
Second off, when the hell did we use models from you. -
retards like this is why I’m really thinking of pulling hte plug on my eve-online freelancer mod. But meh, If i see others ripping my mod apart and using the ships without proper credits I will let the TRADMARKED company know about it and let them come after you. Anyways With that said, I ask for this thread to be locked, removed and archived away. this whole thread is a troll attempt and thus should be stopped right away. So long and thanks for all the fish. . . . Lonestar
implying EVE is good enough to warrant stealing from.
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Not only am I from /b/, I’m in American Politics. There are no greater trolls known to man, except for maybe The Right Honourable Nick Clegg.
But, in any case, there is no reason for this thread to continue. It’s just trolls trolling trolls for no good reason. You don’t like us, we don’t like you. We came to that conclusion a while ago.
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Skeletor wrote:
I hereby request you submit legally documented proof of your copyright on said models that you do not want in /v/lancer. They must be signed and dated BEFORE they were ever uploaded to the internet, or else they become fair use. You can’t upload something, then months later apply for a copyright, and have it be valid.**Not sure what school of legal idiocy you got that from but that’s totally incorrect. In the great scheme of things it doesn’t matter anyway. Shows how clever you guys are anyway by quoting the EULA as well saying nothing can be modified. This isn’t true either if you could be bothered to keep up with current events and Microsofts standing towards game modification…
The simple truth here and i’ll type s l o w l y so it sinks in, is this. Anyone creates a custom anything, be that model/music/image not originally from FL has the legal copyright to said artifact, end of.
If that person chooses to share it on the web, that’s fine but credit should be given, preferably asked for, in the case of commercialy available music for instance, definately need permission. If said article is then used without permission then a legal issue arises. Simple enough for you?** -
Gibbon wrote:
Skeletor wrote:
I hereby request you submit legally documented proof of your copyright on said models that you do not want in /v/lancer. They must be signed and dated BEFORE they were ever uploaded to the internet, or else they become fair use. You can’t upload something, then months later apply for a copyright, and have it be valid.**Not sure what school of legal idiocy you got that from but that’s totally incorrect. In the great scheme of things it doesn’t matter anyway. Shows how clever you guys are anyway by quoting the EULA as well saying nothing can be modified. This isn’t true either if you could be bothered to keep up with current events and Microsofts standing towards game modification…
The simple truth here and i’ll type s l o w l y so it sinks in, is this. Anyone creates a custom anything, be that model/music/image not originally from FL has the legal copyright to said artifact, end of.
If that person chooses to share it on the web, that’s fine but credit should be given, preferably asked for, in the case of commercialy available music for instance, definately need permission. If said article is then used without permission then a legal issue arises. Simple enough for you?**That is neither factually nor legally accurate. A copyright is government paperwork that has to be both completed and filed before it can be accepted and/or legally protected. Nothing is ever “automatically copyrighted” because you say it is. Just because you say “ORIJINUL KARAKTURR DO NOT STEEL” does not make it a legally protected copyright.
Unless you can provide documentation (ALL copyrighted works have documentation, or they are not, in fact, copyrighted) proving your claim, fair use still stands, and if you CAN provide documentation, it must have been dated and confirmed before the date it was first put on the internet.
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The simple truth here and i’ll type s l o w l y so it sinks in, is this. Anyone creates a custom anything, be that model/music/image not originally from FL has the legal copyright to said artifact, end of.
Not as a mod broski.
Again, Berne Convention.
