/v/lancer strikes again?
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Anubis wrote:
waves handhey, modeler here.
Just my two bits. When I make something, I usually have a purpose for it. Now first, I consider 3d modeling an art form, so do a lot of other people, including the US Gov’t.
So, when someone makes any model, at least for a US citizen and any country aligned with the US copyright law, that model is immediately covered by copyright law, no matter what the intention of use is for. Unless, of course, it was made before 1989… then it has to carry a copyright symbol.
ANYWAYS.
What I’m making clear here, is that a 3d Model is covered in both US and International Copyright law. Whether or not someone wants to spend the money to pursue you for Infringement is up to them. I guess in the end it’s totally up to you if you want to risk a lawsuit or not.
Also, dont give me any #$%% about /v/. I’m a #$%% /b/tard, been one since 1975. Deal with it.
Sorry. The Berne Convention doesn’t apply to things like Mods and Fanfiction. It is also against Freelancers EULA to reverse engineer models to work with said commercial game.
Your entire argument is invalid in the face of cold, hard legal facts.
EDIT: For those who don’t believe me, check the EULA.RTF in the Freelancer directory.
·Limitations on Reverse Engineering, Decompilation, and Disassembly. You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the SOFTWARE PRODUCT, except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation.
tl;dr Modding of freelancer in general is illegal and you cannot copyright anything you make for it. Therefore it is all subject to the U.S. Fair Use laws.
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In the point of 3d models, no it is not. No matter what form the artwork is used for, the initial act of creation is given protection. Just because an object is placed into a mod does not void it’s protection. I could, for example, create a model. That model could then be given to a team. That team decides to use it as a Liberty Destroyer.
Then someone else decides to use the model, ripped from that mod, in their own work, be it another FL mod, or in a machinima vid, or as a render object for a Desktop. They need my permission to use it. Without my permission, they do not have a legal right to use it.
You fail to discern the difference between being an object’s use and the actual object itself.
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I hereby request you submit legally documented proof of your copyright on said models that you do not want in /v/lancer. They must be signed and dated BEFORE they were ever uploaded to the internet, or else they become fair use. You can’t upload something, then months later apply for a copyright, and have it be valid.
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retards like this is why I’m really thinking of pulling hte plug on my eve-online freelancer mod.
But meh, If i see others ripping my mod apart and using the ships without proper credits I will let the TRADMARKED company know about it and let them come after you.
Anyways With that said, I ask for this thread to be locked, removed and archived away. this whole thread is a troll attempt and thus should be stopped right away.
So long and thanks for all the fish. . . .
Lonestar
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In the point of 3d models, no it is not. No matter what form the artwork is used for, the initial act of creation is given protection. Just because an object is placed into a mod does not void it’s protection. I could, for example, create a model. That model could then be given to a team. That team decides to use it as a Liberty Destroyer. Then someone else decides to use the model, ripped from that mod, in their own work, be it another FL mod, or in a machinima vid, or as a render object for a Desktop. They need my permission to use it. Without my permission, they do not have a legal right to use it. You fail to discern the difference between being an object’s use and the actual object itself.
Ok several things.
First off, more research on my behalf reveals that you would actually have to go and copyright that #$%%.
Second off, when the hell did we use models from you. -
retards like this is why I’m really thinking of pulling hte plug on my eve-online freelancer mod. But meh, If i see others ripping my mod apart and using the ships without proper credits I will let the TRADMARKED company know about it and let them come after you. Anyways With that said, I ask for this thread to be locked, removed and archived away. this whole thread is a troll attempt and thus should be stopped right away. So long and thanks for all the fish. . . . Lonestar
implying EVE is good enough to warrant stealing from.
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Not only am I from /b/, I’m in American Politics. There are no greater trolls known to man, except for maybe The Right Honourable Nick Clegg.
But, in any case, there is no reason for this thread to continue. It’s just trolls trolling trolls for no good reason. You don’t like us, we don’t like you. We came to that conclusion a while ago.
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Skeletor wrote:
I hereby request you submit legally documented proof of your copyright on said models that you do not want in /v/lancer. They must be signed and dated BEFORE they were ever uploaded to the internet, or else they become fair use. You can’t upload something, then months later apply for a copyright, and have it be valid.**Not sure what school of legal idiocy you got that from but that’s totally incorrect. In the great scheme of things it doesn’t matter anyway. Shows how clever you guys are anyway by quoting the EULA as well saying nothing can be modified. This isn’t true either if you could be bothered to keep up with current events and Microsofts standing towards game modification…
The simple truth here and i’ll type s l o w l y so it sinks in, is this. Anyone creates a custom anything, be that model/music/image not originally from FL has the legal copyright to said artifact, end of.
If that person chooses to share it on the web, that’s fine but credit should be given, preferably asked for, in the case of commercialy available music for instance, definately need permission. If said article is then used without permission then a legal issue arises. Simple enough for you?** -
Gibbon wrote:
Skeletor wrote:
I hereby request you submit legally documented proof of your copyright on said models that you do not want in /v/lancer. They must be signed and dated BEFORE they were ever uploaded to the internet, or else they become fair use. You can’t upload something, then months later apply for a copyright, and have it be valid.**Not sure what school of legal idiocy you got that from but that’s totally incorrect. In the great scheme of things it doesn’t matter anyway. Shows how clever you guys are anyway by quoting the EULA as well saying nothing can be modified. This isn’t true either if you could be bothered to keep up with current events and Microsofts standing towards game modification…
The simple truth here and i’ll type s l o w l y so it sinks in, is this. Anyone creates a custom anything, be that model/music/image not originally from FL has the legal copyright to said artifact, end of.
If that person chooses to share it on the web, that’s fine but credit should be given, preferably asked for, in the case of commercialy available music for instance, definately need permission. If said article is then used without permission then a legal issue arises. Simple enough for you?**That is neither factually nor legally accurate. A copyright is government paperwork that has to be both completed and filed before it can be accepted and/or legally protected. Nothing is ever “automatically copyrighted” because you say it is. Just because you say “ORIJINUL KARAKTURR DO NOT STEEL” does not make it a legally protected copyright.
Unless you can provide documentation (ALL copyrighted works have documentation, or they are not, in fact, copyrighted) proving your claim, fair use still stands, and if you CAN provide documentation, it must have been dated and confirmed before the date it was first put on the internet.
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The simple truth here and i’ll type s l o w l y so it sinks in, is this. Anyone creates a custom anything, be that model/music/image not originally from FL has the legal copyright to said artifact, end of.
Not as a mod broski.
Again, Berne Convention. -
Not a point here that’s worth arguing about, little boys.
Here’s the bottom line: does anyone here who is offended have the money to go to court?
All we have said from the beginning in many other threads is:
1. Nobody has the right to refuse permission to use something if they made it available (without locks or encryption that need to be defeated).
2. It’s a matter of pure courtesy to ask for permission and not use if it is denied.
That’s all, little children.
'bye.
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Haven’t read all posts yet, plus I am at school so excuse me if my points got answered álready later on.
Anyone who makes models for freelancer, then distributes them to the community via mods, and then complains when other modders use them in their own mods is a bit hypocritical. You can’t put something up for free on the internet and complain when people use it. You can’t steal anything that is free
That’s actually TOTALLY wrong. Take a free software like the VM Player as an example (I hope I didn’t miss-choose again ^), just because it doesn’t cost anything it doesn’t mean that you are free to use it and even alter and re-distribute it like you are going to. DEFINITIVLY NOT.
Also, in terms it is a HUGE difference between using a software and re-distributing it. And we both know what /v/lancer did, don’t we?
You mostly just get the servitude for the most software, not the copyright.Skeletor speaks the truth. None of the so-called “stolen” content can be legally copyrighted, as it is a modification, not an original IP.
IP stands for?
Also, the content CAN be copyrighted. A few examples…first off it might be important if the modifications are trivial or not. INI-Coding might not be trivial but audio, for instance, is. Music, sound effects, movies, models - They all CAN be copyrighted. There is no reason why they shouldn’t. They aren’t even limited to the use of Freelancer.
Another point is, for instance, if a mod uses copyrighted content for which the autors might got the permission. This doesn’t mean that actually YOU got the license as well.
Plus, if a mod uses copyrighted ressources illegally it doesn’t make it legal for you to use it then.
I also find it funny how everything here is always belonging to one person and one person alone. I’ve never seen that in any other modding community.
Says something about the modders in the FL Community.
Well, first off, there is a huge difference between MP and SP modding communities since MP modding scenes are in a harder competition.
Plus, I am sure, MANY would have offered ressources if you asked them, maybe they would wanted something in return (your ressources, for instance), maybe not.However, independent of how cooperative the FL modders might be, they still have the right - in a moralic way - to decide about their work. They have created it, shouldn’t they be the one who decide about what do they want to do with it?
I’m sorry but no. I fully expect to be banned for this post, but it will be worth it entirely.
As I know the administration I highly doubt you will get banned for expressing your opinion as long as you stay polite. Maybe you guys should think about this point as well, you think we are such a bad community but actually let you express your opinion at this plattform, don’t we?
So you might should consider to re-pay this respect to us in the same way.
First, I suggest you look up the term Fair Use, and pull your head out of your ass.
Second of all, your statement has no legal backing whatsoever. Not to mention that there is no such thing as a “Gentlemen’s Agreement” That is just blatantly the most retarded thing I have ever heard. I for one, am glad we can’t advertise /v/lancer on this site, because everyone here is babbies. Real men don’t whine about ONNOEHEUSEDMYMODELTOMAKEAGAMEFUNFOREVERYONE. They sit the #$%% down and have fun with bros. This is why /v/lancer will forever be funner then SWWT and PURPLE. It’s made by bros, for bros.
First off, see above.
Second, W0dk4 never stated that the Gentlemen’s Agreement has any legally power. But if you read my whole posting you might see that ressources can be copyrighted, though, it depends on the content.
Another exaple: Normally a picture whcih you created with, for isntance, GIMP is your work and you hold the copyright. Now, tell me one reason why you should loose your copyright once you include it into one modification?
Also, I remember that you guys said that you want to create the modification for yourself and your “bros” - This simple does mean that your mod isn’t for anyone. So stop advert it that way.
And please don’t make statements about what real men are. This is for what biologists are for. -
I hereby request you submit legally documented proof of your copyright on said models that you do not want in /v/lancer. They must be signed and dated BEFORE they were ever uploaded to the internet, or else they become fair use. You can’t upload something, then months later apply for a copyright, and have it be valid.
Totally wrong. you actually HOLD the copyright when you CREATE that object. Thus, if you upload it to the net, even if you don’t include a license, you still HAVE a copyright over it. Just because you decide later to switch to a license it doesn’t mean that your work isn’t protect before that action.
You simple assume that a person doesn’t has any copyright over his work if he doesn’t use a license which is definitivly wrong.
