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Why not reporting that to the TLR Staff or that guy on TLR? Before ending in guesses and clues without proper facts…

The entire TSP staff got banned… I guess just because we were there. Think half the team hadn’t posted a thing at that point.

But I don’t really care, it’s just funny to see.

Yes, you are banned.

Explaination:
In november 2010 (about 1 week after I got TLR from its previous owners) four TSP admins suddenly appeared at TLR (probably as reaction of a mass mailing to inform the TLR members about the changes). One of them started to open threads and started flaming TLR, its old owners and the new ones. Banning that TSP admin succeeded only after the IP was banned as multiple accounts (6) were created by that guy that evening.
Banning the other TSP admins was a preventional measurement as we assumed they would start similar behaviour due to their appearance at TLR right at the same time. Since that the bans remained active.

If our judgement that day was wrong and the three remaining TSP admins did not mean to cause any harm then Id like to officially apologize to them.
(and of course will unban them if they wish)

And now a few words to the ddos stuff and pointing to one of my sites and one of my teams.
Now seriously… does it always have to start this way?
You see something and one moment later you point your finger either to me, my communities, my team… or whatever. Last time it was the tutorial issue that i proved to be wrong… now its ddos attacks. Every 2 months such a crap… thats annoying. It doesnt lead to anything good. So can we please stop this crap?

With the day that Ive taken control over TLR the attacks from there stopped.
You know very well that my own community was victim of the ddos attacks due to my support to TSP during the first year of its existence. I still remember all the nights that I talked with worfeh about these issues and how to stop them. I have never condone such methods nor will I allow it in future.
We have no interest in damaging TSP, we actually have no interest in doing harm to any FL community. That would be pretty much like shoting in the own foot.

You can consider Folgores statement about ddos as serious as the “•Get OP Skype for his Birthday, if not, gift him a time-bomb” that was said at the same post -> a weird joke

The TLR staff and modding teams consists of people from various FL communities. Some of them are regular users and well respected members of TSP. It makes not much sense that these people would cause harm to this place, dont you agree? I also vouch for Folgores integrity as he would not even consider to damage his good reputation as developer of various mods in different games.

If someone is attacking TSP then someone else is doing it (I would not want to point my finger on someone as I could not prove it).

TSP represents a big part of the FL community. So does TLR/SWAT. All troubles between our communities cause damage to FL. Nobody of us wants that. I can understand that personal grudges have a big weight but they harm both communities and finally the players. We should at least try to get along.

I was well aware this was guilt by association, OP. I don’t really care whether you unban me or not, and I will not start a big thread on what you consider to be flaming and how one guy can cause everyone else banned. Despite your negativity we haven’t banned you for it, and that’s not because we werent tempted trust me!

As for the rest of your post, I personally saw it as a joke. A terrible one at that, but I’m not blind. It’s just ironic how these kinds of jokes never tend to show up on here or FLC or Digital Brilliance or basically any other site.

Maybe I wasnt the only person showing a negative attitudes towards other people. I remember getting at least the same amount thrown into my direction but ok, things happened. One word leads to another and everything leads to a big mess. However, negativity doesnt get anyone banned, broken rules (by purpose) do. Thats why one TSP admin was banned. For the other 3 bans I apologize.
Their appearance at TLR after almost 3 years not being there and just at a time that another TSP admin decided to break the forum rules in alphabetical order looked kinda “weird”.

I am not 100% why you think that weird jokes about other people or sites just happen at TLR. Infact it was the very first time that something like that happened since I am owner of that site. Next to that I only would need to browse through the recent threads about DVDMan/Polarbear to find 2-3 weird comments about TLR and SWAT.

Question would be how to prevent such stuff in future in the interest of both sides.

Why is the word “starport” or “TSP” also banned on TLR.org? That makes no sense at all, either. You talk about all “for the good of the Freelancer community” BS but that still exists.

As for access there, I don’t really care, you burned your bridges already.

You shouldn’t be so bloody paranoid OP. It was paranoia that caused you to ban them for doing nothing wrong. You shouldn’t take many things I say too seriously either, I was taking the piss with regards to Poly being a suitable apprentice for you, I don’t expect you to see the funny side of it, but then again it wasn’t meant for you. You’re a big boy, just shrug it off for what it is, me taking the piss as usual.

Sushi wrote:
As for access there, I don’t really care, you burned your bridges already.

I feel that they have burned their bridges with more communities than just The Starport from this. I do not wish to single out Broken Bonds as a target, but I would like to note that I (and probably the rest of the BB staff, though I cannot speak for them) believe that this is extremely immature and childish behaviour coming from the administration team and staff of TLR. If you are not behind the attacks as you claim, then maybe you should disallow your members from posting words that implicate you in such things!

I do not wish to anger those who are a regular part of TLR, but in my opinion, some of what has transpired here does not strike me as something that a good, friendly community should be doing/allowing to be done.

To answer your question.
1. Because of TSP users which recently came to TLR and started to post links to TSP on every occasion eventhough the same topics and files could be found at TLR + their try to redirect TLR members to TSP.
2. Because of the removal of certain items from TSP -> such as the Crossfire video
3. Because of meanwhile 2 news items which never got the chance to be posted here.
4. Because also dont allow linking to TLR when people asked old FL related topics. You linked to the FL Archives instead to TLR where these “archives” originally come from.

Just to sum up. We had reasons and we have just set up the limitation a few weeks ago as reaction to the previously stated reasons.
The only linking that was allowed from here to TLR/SWAT is that small button on the left of this site. That is about the same that we have on our sites.

For the Crossfire video, really unsure who did that as it definitely wasn’t the three current admins. Everyone is welcome to post their videos here. I doubt you will as as I’m sure you enjoy holding this issue in your back pocket to “justify” your actions against TSP. Regardless, that makes point 2 garbage.

Recently we found out there was a problem in the news reporting system here at TSP which has since been rectified. So that makes point 3 moot. If you want to post news about Crossfire, go for it. PM the admins here about it and we’ll make sure it gets up.

As for the other reasons, whatever. :roll:

w0dk4 - i can understand that and i am sorry to hear that TSP is still victim of the attacks.

However the topic Azza is done for me. I asked him for TLR and I asked him to stop the attacks against the FL communities involved. Up to now he has kept his word and actually I havent seen him since november 2010.
Next to that AzzA never was the kind of guy which did hide from anything. When he ddosed you then he told you right in the face.

Probably he still does the attacks but he doesnt hide at TLR.

@sushi, who of the staff did something is not my problem,
fact is only that it was done and that it was one of our reasons.
I can understand and accept it is possible that news submission did not work due to a software failure. Ok, that happens. We couldnt know that and obviously you didnt notice it aswell for at least 1 1/2 years.

@Kazinsal
Do you really think it would be possible to disallow every eventuality that might be misunderstood by readers? If you start writing rules for everything that might happen or that might be said then you end up with a rulebook of thousands of pages. TSP also has no mechanism which would prevent such sort of stuff. The only thing an admin can do in such a situation is react (which I did btw.). Illegal activities itself are not allowed and prohibited by our rules.

That video thing is news to me. We never remove videos. We receive so few it would be ridiculous to do so. We did however have to remove BROKEN videos. If you have moved the video elsewhere for any reason, the link might have been broken and pruned. This is normal. We don’t want the site to show “error X” when loading, we want working videos. I’m pretty sure one of the Underverse videos was lost at some point because of that.

As for the links, wow, that’s no reason. If somebody keeps spamming about stuff, you ban him. Simple as that. Censoring a word because one user is doing something wrong with it is stupid and counterintuitive. If I started spamming Crossfire links on TLR all the time, would you censor “Crossfire”? Oh wait, you’d have banned me on the first offence. You just find it very practical that you have a good excuse for censoring TSP… Just like when AzzA was around. Funny, isn’t it?

And for the archives, give me a break. We’ve already gone over this and you have no more of an ownership claim on them than we do. You have a tenuous link going through 4 or 5 past administrators and one domain name change. You would NEVER have recovered the data if it hadn’t been for Worfeh. Just drop the fucking issue already.

So basically you have nothing to stand on and are just taking the piss, which is nothing out of the usual. Move along folks.

giggles and goes back to modding

1. The video link is not broken. Its working and still used on various other sites.
2. It was not just one member which tried to direct TLR members to TSP and it wouldnt have been the first time that this happened over there (if you remember this is how TSP was created)
3. Maybe you should ask Huor on such matters. He will tell you how rights on website content is transfered from one site owner to another and that it doesnt matter which domain extension the site has. But you also could read on that. There are enough sources on the net. Next to that didnt we receive anything from worfeh when we started to rebuild the TLR databases. We were pretty much able to reconstruct it from our own sources (which btw. explains how we reconstructed the entire TLR databases and not just a few posts and threads).
Funny is actually that you blame us for not allowing links to TSP while you are not willing to link to TLR aswell. What motivation do we at TLR have to allow it when we can not even expect same rights?

Well ok, I see that you are not willing to resolve anything. Goodbye, we see us in a few weeks when the next unreasonable claims against my sites appear here.

Honestly, I’d have taken that image to be humour

anyhew

OPR8R wrote:
1. The video link is not broken. Its working and still used on various other sites.
2. It was not just one member which tried to direct TLR members to TSP and it wouldnt have been the first time that this happened over there (if you remember this is how TSP was created)
3. Maybe you should ask Huor on such matters. He will tell you how rights on website content is transfered from one site owner to another and that it doesnt matter which domain extension the site has. But you also could read on that. There are enough sources on the net. Next to that didnt we receive anything from worfeh when we started to rebuild the TLR databases. We were pretty much able to reconstruct it from our own sources (which btw. explains how we reconstructed the entire TLR databases and not just a few posts and threads).
Funny is actually that you blame us for not allowing links to TSP while you are not willing to link to TLR aswell. What motivation do we at TLR have to allow it when we can not even expect same rights?

Well ok, I see that you are not willing to resolve anything. Goodbye, we see us in a few weeks when the next unreasonable claims against my sites appear here.

Honestly, I’d just ban OP. He only shows up to stir (via defending his fair lady m’lord!) and gives 0 contribution otherwise. Most of what he says is utter bullcrap, and the rest is hypocritical codswallop. I’m fed up of him, and I don’t visit TLR or Swat to avoid him…yet here he is. Again. Same garbage…ad infinitum

Some good people post on both sites freely and without issue (Adoxa springs to mind) as they look beyond all this #$%%. For the rest, just stfu and stay away from each other irrespective of what is said. Give people credit, they can read and form their own opinions - they don’t need your self righteous defensive garbage to make them “see the light”.

and for the love of God, ban Op once and for all. He may be wonderful on his own sites, but here he’s a douche. An annoying repetitive one at that.

End of.

I’ve got to point this out. Op pm’d me about how it’s him being attacked again (to avoid extending this thread I assume). My point I was replying, is suitable for all - so i’m going to post it, but be a little more aggressive than otherwise.

This entire latest issue is yet again screw all to do with what started it. That joke of a post someone made is sweet FA with all this.

The problem is two groups. Op (almost alone) on one side, and a few people on the other.

Does anyone really believe the DOS came from that person? I personally didn’t…unless it’s Azza/Knife in disguise. No. So why did Op feel the need to “defend” himself again. He doesn’t need to…even I, who doesn’t believe Op regarding most things, didn’t think it was either serious OR tied to you Op any form.

So the post was just an excuse to stir the same stuff up again. Op isn’t here to defend himself - that takes just 2 sentences. So it’s nothing to do with that, and everything to do with things he’s got real issues with. Likewise, same for some here. The post was just an entry point to repeat the same crap again…

Back to “you don’t let, you don’t own, you don’t”… I’m tired of it. I’m sure everyone else is tired of it. Op - I’ve said before, you need to STOP trying to “defend” your site - and since you never do, I really wish they’d ban you here. Then it’d #$%% stop!

Yes, Op is part of causing this issue. If you hadn’t posted Op, no-one would have noticed let alone believed that they were DOS’ing the Starport, or that you’re involved. Period. Instead you’re blowing it up once more, and returning to the same old arguments.

However, this doesn’t mean I don’t realise some people here obviously have deep seated annoyances. If the DOS are a daily occurrence, why do we only hear about it when there’s some very very tenuous and obvious joke posted by someone elsewhere…

Honestly, get banning. I single Op out simply because he doesn’t contribute here, but does cause trouble. Yes, he’s provoked by some people here who also need a good slapping - but they do post, do help, do contribute. So my resolution would be to ban Op and hope either people ignore lame posts attempting to generate reactions, or it finally dies down as people start to ignore the petty crap that gets posted.

Why? Because otherwise this will keep happening. Yeah, he may whine and bitch about it elsewhere, about how terrible yadda yadda - who gives a flying monkeys arse. Let people make their own minds up.

Grow some sacks, ban him, and stop winding him up. It was funny the first few times, now it’s really really irritating.