Brrr and wut wit TLR?

Huor wrote:
Isnt the owner of a domain the owner of the content?

Ironically that’d mean GoDaddy is the current owner then (lancersreactor.com).

However, a domain name does nothing more than link an easily readable and memorable name to an ip address - something that is very easy to change.

It has zero other function (afaik). E.g. I could point my own domain name to youtube.com - but this doesn’t make me a co-owner of the content, or entitled to a slice of the advertising revenue (dammit!).

Now who owned the data may actually be whom was controlling the domain name (if it is “ownable” as pointed out - I doubt anyone can claim ownership of my contributions for example…), but this thing has been through so many hands (talking about db content) that if it could be owned, it’d still be a chore.

I’m sure “proving” ownership really wouldn’t be as easy as saying “I got it off x who got it off y who got it off j, so this means I have absolute authority and exclusive ownership”. For instance, j may have also given it to k before x ever received it. Does this now mean k is actually the owner (especially if the domain name is irrelevant ) as they’ve had this data longer, or first? (honestly, not a clue now!).

It’s an interesting topic, but you’d need some savvy (internet) law types for it. Bluffing or blustering about the topic by saying “lawyer” and “legal” is pointless.

As for issues with working together - I don’t have any, I only dig at Op when he starts going off on stuff like in this thread. As I said, I wish him good luck and would love to see TLR back to what it was.

Would I help him seeing as I want it that way?
No.
Why?

I don’t think I’ve heard Op ever give acknowledgement of anyone else’s efforts or achievements. I only ever seem to read “I, I, I, Me, Me, Me” (this is not necessarily accurate, but all I remember reading now) - especially when it comes to anything FL “community” related. You’d be forgiven for thinking he was the only person around, responsible for everything that currently exists… exclusively through his own mouth.
Yes he has contributions, but there is a plethora of people he ignores as having sizeable, equal, or even bigger contributions.

Furthermore, when there is clear cut proof (his own claims in his own post being contradicted by his earlier posts) about something being wrong - he doesn’t admit, accept, or apologise for misleading… he instead attacks by saying “oh I could find your posts…”.
Now that was important because it isn’t interpretation, it isn’t twisting words - it is very clearly himself vs himself.

With his claim he could do it to others I would say - “get on with it, at least I’m confident they’re man enough to own up, and apologise”. Of course, if it is only on this site the claim is made, only apologise here. Op, however, went around all over the place posting about how he warned everyone about the global server… so that’d be quite an embarrassing task to apologise to so many locations…

I’m here, like history, someone he can’t BS over when it comes to Freelancer, and someone who won’t let “others” be forgotten.
If I do not directly know, I know folks who do

Maybe you should offer him the sacred archive, it might throw him completely off ballance, he could get so enraged by the fact that you actually gave into his demands for the sacred archive without a bloodbath that he would then demand that you take the sacred archive back just so he can have another fight with you, or else face another lawsuit over the refusal to take back the sacred archive.

He doesn’t want the archive. He already has it.

What he wants is for us to take ours down. Which I will never cave in to because he simply has no right to demand this. It’s even more ridiculous that he passes this as a “suggestion” or, heavens, an “offer”.

You shouldn’t take much of what I say too seriously, I’m justing taking the p i s s. I’m half crazy at the best of times, right now I’ve got this picture in my head of OP as Golem and the archives are his precious, the starport and lancers are the two towers. By this time tomorrow I’ll have worked out who the king is and I’ll be on to something else. Gotta find some humour in amongst all this drama.

hugs… your special timmy… but then… ye came from the same place i did… were all kinda special in our own way…

And on this archive nonsense… I say be build a better one if this keeps up… I for one have many older mods on my HD… im sure others have too… if we all sent a few in… we’d have (possibly) a cleaner archive anyways… just a thought… in case this goes too far.

I was all for TLR… till this tread… and that last post from… dam i don’t even want to spit the name out… that pathetic freak, your ruining what light was ever left… now you claim ownership of ALL the mods… hmm…

Ever heard of a backlash OP… I feel one a comming your way… and no i have nothing to do with any of it… you caused that yourself… with your “words” so carelesley thrown… did u think about the modders that submitted those works??.. at all?? Your post made my stomach churn and to be honest i was almost sick… thats just me… im on the fringe… i can only imagine what some have been thinking since that “ultimatum” was made…

any resepct i had for you… just went down the tube… fast

i think it is time for TSP to start tolerating OP generally (which means just stay above his earlier self-highlighting) while OP should just get off the idea he still is the most essential factor of the community and the only pursuer of his initial aims.

Here is my assessment of this thread after following this thread thru 8 pages and <300 FL players for the entire week for 187 servers…

Wiki Link

In other words, STOP, hopefully that isn’t too harsh…

Yup, you’re right LS.

I’ll give you one word: How?

You guys really think we like this?

LancerSolurus wrote:
Here is my assessment of this thread after following this thread thru 8 pages and <300 FL players for the entire week for 187 servers…

Wiki Link

In other words, STOP, hopefully that isn’t too harsh…

No, I attribute those numbers to an 8 year old, outdated space simulator game. That being said with new DX9 upgrade with specular and normal mapping coming down the pipe, MP scripted missions, and some other goodies that will be released to the community, we might be able to squeeze a few more years out of this great game.

I hardly think the division between TLR and TSP in one thread will have that significant effect across several communities.

That being said, I agree with your statement that this needs to stop as this thread is becoming quite bloated. I think we just need to come to the conclusion that we agree to disagree.

With the current TLR administration, we really can’t hope for any reconciliation with TSP. It’s just not in the cards. I can accept that and just move on.

btw, it is not that we need TLR or TLR needs us. we are pretty independant from each other. and don’t tell me, we have evolved more. if they want to profit of this, then they should try to collaborate…
gentlemen, don’t take it as another insult. its just another suggestion on how to solve the problem or to leave it as it is.

Yeah, I guess this is the bottom line of this thread:

That being said, I agree with your statement that this needs to stop as this thread is becoming quite bloated. I think we just need to come to the conclusion that we agree to disagree.

With the current TLR administration, we really can’t hope for any reconciliation with TSP. It’s just not in the cards. I can accept that and just move on.

This will happen

AGAIN
and AGAIN
and AGAIN AND AGAIN
ANDAGAINANDAGAINANDAGAINANDAGAINANDAGAINANDAGAINANDAGAIN

Close the thread.

hmmm
why is it so hard for you to let a database that is not yours return to its original community?

i mean the data was submitted to TLR and actually u are wrong with the statement that it is copyrighted to lancersreactor.com and that godaddy would hold the copyright.
only natural persons or companies can hold rights by law and in case of websites the owner of the domain holds the right on the data. Only that owner is allowed to hand over rights to the next owner. This has been done, from BP to mentalchaos to azza and finally to me.
This is btw. law in almost every country on this planet (china and north korea excluded).
Right now the FL archives violates the copyright laws, the data privacy law (in somewhat more than 20.000 cases) and several laws regarding property.
So actually we can continue to argue over it which might lead to unpleasant results or we agree to let this personal crap drop finally and think about what is good for FL.

Is this possible or do we really have to go on this way?

1. You want that i dont bring up the past any longer? OK, you can have that. No such posts anymore here and on other sites.
2. In exchange I want that you stop bashing other FL sites including the SWAT Portal and TLR.
3. You want that I allow links to TSP and place links to it on my sites. You can have that.
4. In exchange I clearly want that the FL databases that you currently host gets removed. It will become part of the current TLR site where it will serve the purpose to bring new and old FL players to the Freelancer community. You will be able to access all the data that you can access now and even more as I am able to restore even more.
Right now you only use that archive to read on old threads, I will use it to bring old and new players to FL. Players that might end up on your servers. If you dont want to raise the daily freelancer player base by 50 players or 100 or more then just say it.

This is the deal i want to offer. A deal where no side does loose something but both can win.
So like LS said can we finally “STOP” it?

Ahem, stack overflow, you want some bananas too Wodka?

AS FAR AS I CAN REMEBER…. That means many years before, when the TLR comes down, I talked about the data with BP, and hope TLR Team (As far as i can remember, FriendlyFire is a team member too, so that is reasonable to have TLR data) can keep the data to the public. Now the data is publicable, i think that was enough.

OP, you need know, even you have the data, you cannot get TLR back to glow, only a real new modder will going to search those data. So you need to find other way, like make a player mainly community. And TSP is dev mainly community. PS. forget the GoDaddy…They’re impossible to hold to the data.

For my poor muscle of digestion and english, i still cannot figure out why TLR breaked. All things looks alright, and they still looking for donate for new server, some guys want to add new subjects, and all is crashed rapid…

…. oh my … OP doesn’t only think, he the one and only Hero of Freelancer,
but also top lawyer for international copyright.

I wonder how he can find time, to post so much ‘funny’ things here (and there),
while he is supposed to earn a 750 bucks an hour
25 hours 8 days a week.

It’s so fascinating!

Well, OP, your deal sucks. The fact that you think you own all that content of hundreds of different modders over the years is quite hilarious. Some one is just wee bit narcissistic. Even better is the belief that you can singlehandedly increase the amount of players playing daily by 50-100 just by being able to host the database solely…lol.

You’re seriously going to spend hundreds of dollars per hour for some very shaky claims? This would be thrown out of court so quickly, the judge would probably laugh at you on the way out.

I dont understand why you insist on us taking down the archive. Wouldnt it be better for the holy FL community that the archived posts are available at two locations, creating redundancy in case a site fails?

Next thing you will ask for are the downloads. And then, you will ask for any content ever originally released on TLR to be removed here.

You sure have only the benefit of the whole FL community in mind, I’m dead sure.

w0dk4 wrote:
You sure have only the benefit of the whole FL community in mind, I’m dead sure.

Well of course OP doesl! Obeying his demands will ensure that we get 50-100 more players new and old on everyone’s servers!! :roll: