[The Starport News]Acquisition of an old domain

Darkstalker wrote:
I am running a small site and a wiki for Freelancer. I am not able and not allowed to put something like that bar onto my sites. Thus eventhough I am part of the Freelancer community I can make use of any promised benefits.

Why are you not able, or allowed, to put the community bar on your site? You say you’re not, but don’t say why? :-? I mean it doesn’t sound strict to me:

To add your own site, you must have the Freelancer Community Network bar installed on your website.
It would be nice to have the network bar on any of your pages, but only displaying it on some sort of entry page is also sufficient. Note however that the linked site should not be a placeholder to only draw visitors to your site. The linked site should be frequented by your general page visitors as well!

To benefit from the bar you must display the bar. I’m unsure why this is incredibly unfair or selective… especially when it does say:

You are obviously free to change the code to better fit in your webpage. It would also be wise to put the CSS stylesheet into the header of your website. For simplicity I put it directly next to the body code and so far it seems to work correctly with all browsers.

p.s. Unsure why Lancersreactor.org can’t show the bar. They’re not multi-game are they (technically you could argue Starlancer is a second, but how many game sites for Starlancer are there on the bar? - I can’t get their bar to work in FF or Chrome so dunno )

Being a firefox user I never realised TLR.org had a bar! I just fired up IE and there it was. How many people by percentage have chrome or FF and cant see it?

oh, and surely Starlancer sites should be listed here as well being in the same universe just a different time, just a thought.

I use Chrome and it shows up for me no problem. I second the Starlancer idea as well.

The community bar at SWAT does not show up in newer versions of FireFox or other newer browsers because i was not yet able to correct that. Thats one of the points that comes next on my list. Just to clear this issue. It shouldn’t be of any of your problems at all.

Next to that i don’t understand why you state that the .com address shall be used to offer a community for all, unbiased (sure?). Isn’t that also possible with the org. address? I can read there and i can read here - although i am not registered there. So its as open as here Saying also there is randomly some news - probable i don’t know. But wasn’t or isn’t that also the case here - I just need to scroll up a bit with a post asking “Why don’t you post news”

I mean its as lively there as here i guess. I cant really say how much there is going on - I already pointed out why.
You obtained the domain on a legal way - you can use it so. But what i don’t like is if irrelevant statements are made about each side just to put either this side or the other in foreground.

Next thing saying Continuum is TLR mod. Dunno is it? They started there as far as i know. You could also lightly say FWTOW is a TSP mod - not because its hosted here - but following back the news and considering that 3 of the active admins here are core members of the FWTOW modding team might bring that illusion also up. Well you can weight anything like you wish. Either to the benefits of someone else or for someones own interests.

Unfortunate the whole issue again made the gap between the two communities bigger. Arrr ;(

As said before, TLR.org censors us. As regards the TLR.org mod:

This community will officially support the development of a new Freelancer mod which has the apparently has the potential to become very successful. I’d like to officially welcome the members of the Alternative Universe mod project to TLR. We will sup…

And so on.

Also, Freeworlds is absolutely not the same. The services we use from The-Starport are not exclusive to us, anybody could get the same coverage and tools (news and forge repository).

Not to give any ideas, but the logical thing for OP to do now would be to get the TSP .com or .org domain and link them to TLR

Schmackbolzen wrote:
Not to give any ideas, but the logical thing for OP to do now would be to get the TSP .com or .org domain and link them to TLR

Op actually got the-starport.com (prior to us getting TLR.com) but not sure what he’s gonna do with it.

Huor wrote:
The community bar at SWAT does not show up in newer versions of FireFox or other newer browsers because i was not yet able to correct that. Thats one of the points that comes next on my list. Just to clear this issue. It shouldn’t be of any of your problems at all.

Glad to hear, I swore it worked not long ago - but I think Firefox updated last night to beta 5 - which explains it.

Huor wrote:
Next to that i don’t understand why you state that the .com address shall be used to offer a community for all, unbiased (sure?). Isn’t that also possible with the org. address? I can read there and i can read here - although i am not registered there. So its as open as here Saying also there is randomly some news - probable i don’t know. But wasn’t or isn’t that also the case here - I just need to scroll up a bit with a post asking “Why don’t you post news”

Hmm, I would let them answer this - but I feel it’s best giving my very very recent experience of “unbiased”.

I submitted news about lancersreactor.com domain being back for the Freelancer Community.

The news was published by an admin I assume (as it didn’t show when I submitted it), then moved forum, my post deleted, myself banned for violating the rules of the website by posting “lancersreactor.com” in the message body (not even hyperlinking I think?) for posting a forbidden domain and trying to get around the censorship (I didn’t but that’s not the point).

Furthermore, the mere mention of TSP or The Starport is impossible in posts, it informs you that you are trying to post a post with banned words and to change them. If you post any links, you are banned (or warned and then banned upon the second posting).

That is my personal experience within the last 24 hours

I’ve read repeated claims that here didn’t post news, but it does appear that there was an issue with the news submission system which they’ve now fixed (they weren’t aware of it) http://the-starport.net/freelancer/forum/viewtopic.php?post_id=44755#forumpost44755 - so there may be a “counter claim” - but one where “it was never received” vs “it was received, denied and the submitter banned”.

You can decide whether my news was ban-worthy, here it is. Is Op being unbiased and fair - bearing in mind, I’m just a Freelancer fan member - not an admin of any site itself. He could not have published the news instead of publishing it and turning into a public banning spectacle. But I digress

The news submitted to lancersreactor.org that resulted in being banned.

Finally the original domain name familiar to so many has been returned to the Freelancer community - through a generous, anonymous, donation

The original “Lancersreactor.com” domain name was lost during a turbulent time in the Freelancer community - where the person who controlled the domain passed it over to a third party who utilised it for anything other than Freelancer related material.

Now the domain is back within the Freelancer community once more! So those people bitten by nostalgia and checking out the domain will once more be directed to the Freelancer community, instead of into host advertising. The simple yet elegant community bar will help direct new and old alike to the various Freelancer communities, ensuring everyone benefits from the domains return.

This is great news, as the game approaches it’s 10th year since release!

w0dk4 wrote:
As said before, TLR.org censors us. As regards the TLR.org mod:

This community will officially support the development of a new Freelancer mod which has the apparently has the potential to become very successful. I’d like to officially welcome the members of the Alternative Universe mod project to TLR. We will sup…

And so on.

Also, Freeworlds is absolutely not the same. The services we use from The-Starport are not exclusive to us, anybody could get the same coverage and tools (news and forge repository).

To elaborate, Op’s TLR has a subsection dedicated to Continuum, and direct official support. FW:TOW intentionally keeps itself separate, with it’s own forums. While much of our team are admins here, we don’t monopolize TSP resources for ourselves. Anything we use on TSP for FW:TOW is also freely available to everyone else.

Ok - they said they will support the Alternative Universe mod. Something that you would do for any other mod here as well. He welcomed the team there. You would do the same here. So i assume TLR is also not only for TLR mods (does this actually exists) but also is open for anyone else who wishes to be there. This also applies here.

Where is the point?

Each site offers something to all outside who want to know something about FL. Let the people decide where they want to rest.

I would say it couldnt harm to be present at both sites in consideration to get as many attention as possible.

Huor wrote:
Each site offers something to all outside who want to know something about FL. Let the people decide where they want to rest.

Agree entirely…so I’m still at a loss why people are complaining about lancersreactor.com… I’m baffled at the logic of complaints, you say let people decide where they want to be, before implying that somehow that decision is being made for them.

I’ve still yet to understand the contention being shown.

Where is the point?

Each site offers something to all outside who want to know something about FL. Let the people decide where they want to rest.

I would say it couldnt harm to be present at both sites in consideration to get as many attention as possible.

You talk as if we censor TLR.org, but everybody is free to go over to

lancersreactor.org

This is the very point.

I dont know whats the fuss at all. Let away all your trouble with OP. If i am a modder, freelancer fan or server admin. I can register myself here and i can register myself there. I can go there and i can come here. If there is a ban of names or not. What would stop me from entering “www.the-starport.net” or “www.lancersreactor.org” in my browsers address bar? Are people just browsing through the web by klicking hyperlinks?

Probable a good start for both sites to start linking to each other… TSP to TLR and back.

About that TSP cencorship on TLR. I assume (i cannot clearly say because i am no member there) that it was established not without purpose - whatever happened has lead the admins to cencor this word. Maybe also fair draw to lift that name cencor - meanwhile.

Oh my god.
Now it is a crime supporting a mod? I just can’t believe what I see here.
Lancersreactor has supported 80% of all existing Freelancer mods. Many of them had their forum there. Now that is a crime? Something that you use to blame them?
They have not even said that other mods are not welcome anymore or wont receive the same support.

The majority of news here at Starport are about Freeworlds why don’t we start to judge about this? Take away all these news and you have not more news remaining than they do. Still you sit on your high horse to blame them and belittle them.

It is interesting how you rant about them all the time. I finally know that this place here is nothing for me. I’ll join lancersreactor.org. There I don’t get forced to use a community bar to take benefit of their services and don’t have to see such a respectless treatment of other communities.

Oh and just to let you know.
The net is full of hosting packages where you get a good website without access to its HTML code but with user interfaces where you can set up its content. That is the reason why I will not be able to put up such a community bar. I wouldn’t even want to do that anymore after reading all this crap.

In my eyes the lancersreactor.com is just your try to force others to use your community bar. Not more, not less. It is definitely not a try to help the Freelancer community. It purely helps Starport and instead of being beneficial for Freelancer it has just created a deep rift right through the Freelancer community. More damage than benefit.

Bye, I have no reason to stay here anymore.

Chips wrote:

I submitted news about lancersreactor.com domain being back for the Freelancer Community.

The news was published by an admin I assume (as it didn’t show when I submitted it), then moved forum, my post deleted, myself banned for violating the rules of the website by posting “lancersreactor.com” in the message body (not even hyperlinking I think?) for posting a forbidden domain and trying to get around the censorship (I didn’t but that’s not the point).

The news item was enabled by me as it seemed a good thing for the community, since the domain had been ‘lost’ for the last year.

Also I want to clear something up. Freelancer: Continuum is not a LancersReactor mod, but a mod like any other. The only difference is, that the mod has forums at lancersreactor.org instead of having their own like FW:TOW. It also receives support with any problems they may have, but nothing more.

Sethernis wrote:

Also I want to clear something up. Freelancer: Continuum is not a LancersReactor mod, but a mod like any other. The only difference is, that the mod has forums at lancersreactor.org instead of having their own like FW:TOW. It also receives support with any problems they may have, but nothing more.

Ah I see. Op made it sound like it actually is a TLR mod - my bad.

Funny, I just got an email from TLR because I had an account there back in the day.

This is Lancer’s Reactors new web address since meanwhile more than 3 years and home of our community. The step to move away from the old web address has become neccessary long time ago but all your user data as well as registration information are kept under our new address. We are shifting no information about your privacy back to lancersreactor.com. Eventual existing links to lancersreactor.com are therefore seen as archive information while we host the modding work - since numerous years as well as news about Starlancer and Freelancer at lancersreactor.org - your beloved Lancer source for information… Lancersreactor

This is the bit that made me wet myself. Read that, then deside who talks the most s**t.

Everything OP says or does is basically bull and the rest is lies, I’ve alway been a firm believer in that, that’s why I’ve never renewed my account since the switch over.

TSP has always been about the comunity, Yeah most of the admins if not all are involved in FW:ToW. But never do you see the mod being thrown in peoples faces all the time, the reason why they always have news up is because they actually take the time to post updates on it. That’s just good marketing. They are producing ground breaking stuff, there’s plenty to shout about.

Just my opinion, not very often I have one on stuff like this but meh, they emailed me bwahaha…

I’d like to add that we actually encourage others to post news as seen here http://the-starport.net/freelancer/forum/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4059

I’ve felt bad for the FW:ToW newsspam but if nobody else posts anything, then that’s all there is and doesnt really have anything to do with FW being a TSP mod.