Weird Issue/Error: Crash on 2nd Launch???

I’m working on a custom ship. I created a thread specifically for issues concerning modelling etc., but I feel this is an issue of a different quality, so I ask it seperately.

When I buy my new custom ship, equip it with guns, and then launch, everything is just fine. I can fly, fight and fright, and the ship blows up well too when I engage too much / too strong opponents. But - when I then dock at a base, and relauch into space again, the game crashes. (Even if I didn’t do anything on the base - just dock, then relaunch is enough)

So, it’s the second lauch into space that makes the game crash…

I’ve no idea where to even begin checking for a solution. A first-launch crash makes perfect sense - but a second? :-?

(Btw it’s not a base or system issue)

EDIT: corrected typo’s

Bobthemanofsteel wrote:
What’s the spew say?

Nothing, apart from a lot of MP3 codec missing and some voice messages errors, i.o.w. the usual stuff that it says even when the game hasn’t crashed.

O, btw, FLScan does not report any related issues, and FLErrorChecker stil doesn’t work (It does startup now that I’ve installed LS’s dll-pack, but it stops working and closes when I do a scan). So, no clue at all, apart from my own experiences.

We’ll never know what caused this particular issue, because I decided to do the entire model anew. It works correctly now. The old one (the buggy one) was slightly better-looking, but I’ll straighten that out in MilkShape.

Too bad I couldn’t nail this problem down, but it was a succesful learning experience to the extent that I learned an incorrect model can cause issues.

LancerSolurus wrote:
For FLEC, are all of your INI files decompressed?

Also if you are working in the ‘Program Files (x86)’ folder, that can cause issues as well. If you can provide a download link here or in a PM, I will see if it crashes on my machine…

Hey, I didn’t know your still around here that often! I didn’t wanna bother you after I found FLEC crashed.

My FLEC isn’t even running from the x86 folder - it’s running from a subfolder in my grand Freelancer folder:
C:\FL\Freelancer Resources\Freelancer Modding Tools\FL_Error_CheckerV1_007

Should it work only from the Program Files (not x86) folder? I dunno if I still have the installer, and it might very well be the case that I installed this version on a previous computer, and copied it with the entire folder onto this laptop. In some cases, older tools only worked that way, and not if I reinstalled them, so I got accustomed to it.

Do you have a dowloadlink for an installer? Probably won’t do it tonight (deep into Milkshape now) but maybe a fresh intall into the proper folder will get it to work.

PS LS; I watched a couple of your planetary / weather vids and it looked great! But - how many planets are you going to add anyway. I’m not very knowledgable as it comes to sizes of data, but wouldn’t your game become awfully big if you give every planet an explorable terrain?

Moonhead wrote:
We’ll never know what caused this particular issue, because I decided to do the entire model anew. It works correctly now. The old one (the buggy one) was slightly better-looking, but I’ll straighten that out in MilkShape.

Too bad I couldn’t nail this problem down, but it was a succesful learning experience to the extent that I learned an incorrect model can cause issues.

Interesting, and frustrating: the new model behaves in the same way.

No, what they (the old model that produces a crash-at-second-launch, and the new one) have in common, is that they are both based on a vanilla Hawk:

1. I used the XML project to clone a Hawk. The clone Hawk, works fine, no issues, crashes etc, and no conflicts with the vanilla Hawk.

2. I import the clone Hawk into MilkShape, change a couple of things (and the 2nd time I made sure I did that a lot more cautious and conservative than the 1st time)

Right now, I’m going thru everything I did… The ship now crashes on first launch?? Maybe the whole issue is caused by the .sur file, because I just updated that…

Replacing the custom .sur by one of a vanilla Hawk seems to totally eliminate the issue, even though it doesn’t 100% match.

So, creating a better .sur is what I need to do. Probably not delete all hardpoints before I export it. (I did that because at a previous experience the hardpoints seemed to be solidified, even the mount etc.)

EDIT: yep, that seems to help. Now I got to see if I can also this ship’s bigger brothers (or maybe I should say ‘sisters’ as ships are usually thought of as females. This one cost me my Saturday evening and gave me a lot of frustrations so I can certainly see similiarites).

LancerSolurus wrote:
Hehe, actually I meant your FL work folder isn’t in (x86) folder, FLEC can be put anywhere and still work. There is no installer, just a zip file with everything in it.

I wouldn’t be surprised it’s due to that you are running it on a laptop, I have had issues with those before due to the memory footprint of the program.

Oww, so for now it seems there’s not much to be done about it.

There are also more versions of Windows than there used to be (not just Home and Pro but also Starter and Ultimate or something like it, and then x86 and x64 bersions of those, bleeeh) and I think many of the performance issues of several tools are due to slight incompatibility issues. So, I think it might be a good idea to get a decent 2nd hand laptop and install XP on it.

I’m really happy with FL not being in a Program Files folder. Even though I’m logged in as an admin, I had huge trouble with altering files when it was in there. And modding without altering files is err…

LancerSolurus wrote:

GE is meant to be a replacement for FL so I have to keep up with what you guys and gals want from the game

What about enabling Trent (or maybe some other player char?) to snort / smoke / swallow / shoot* cardamine, and get him hooked on it, with all the pros and cons it takes? Like a better / easier control of the ship and equipment when high, and much worse when he’s on withdrawal?

*(I believe the Outcasts inhale it thru their masks, am I right?)

I’ll get into your serious feedback later, first I got some minor bug tracing to do then help my step daughter with some school assignment (which, unfortunately, isn’t space-related at all.)