Mod stolen, what can be done? // Mod geklaut, was tun?

We know that problem very well
and we have seen half a dozend
WTS 3.42 servers when this mod version as actual.

So:
1. tell those fellows, your mod is 4 your server only
(if it’s not in the readme, people might think,
you want your mod spread around - think about TNG + others)
2. “protect” your mod
(starts with having no SP support and a client only version

• everything else can be asked in the closed section)
  and you will have lots of fun with people reporting SP probs
  and asking 4 LAN-version and such. ;D
  3. tell it everyone
  4. ask the other community sites
  to ban / post a note about those fellows

And the experience shows,
that having a mod is nothing without the community
and the people who know how 2 deal with the mod.
So:
5. cool down

And i m pretty sure, that those fellows will be
offline in some sites, as soon as the admin
know if their name/IP (if there is no doubt about #1).

I’ve heard of this dude, Dias. He’s been advertising this mod on TLR. He’s advertised that mod on here as well. I personally think if a mod is in dispute over who owns it, then any reference to it needs to be pulled until the situation is resolved. I’ve had the same happen to me before, and i know i’m not alone in this.

… and he s possibly looking 4 a server host

http://the-starport.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=502.0

Ok, i’ve read the link Mindhunter has posted and it’s interesting to say the least. Nice to see a load of us on here are being thought of as independant jurors, myself included. I’m not sure getting involved here would help, but then i haven’t officially been approached either but i will say this, comparing the two mods is an easy thing to do, shouldn’t take more than half an hour to say who the original owner is. These things are reasonably easy to sort out.

nominate me wtf lol, who is this Bas fellow ^^

tho on the subject at hand, OP is right, talk to them politly to ask them to take it down. if not, probably move onto legal matters and such. thooo that could get tricky lol ^^

He has the serverfiles, so maybe he is granted to use the mod?

How otherwise does he comes on the files??
Or was there a mad admin/modder to?

If he really steal it?
Ignore him on every forum. Spread the word, he ask acces for admin section, ignore.
But……there will always be people who allowed him, and there will always people who wanna run the server for him.
Depents on how “deeply involved” persons are in FL. How big is the “heart and love” for it.
What maners those people have etc.

And a story has always two sides

@Wicked_Witch:

He has the serverfiles, so maybe he is granted to use the mod?

How otherwise does he comes on the files??
Or was there a mad admin/modder to?

Having the server files doesn’t mean diddly. We all know it’s really easy to make a server exe for any mod. Creating hashcodes depending on what server tool you are using is also easy, in some cases you don’t even need to create them. As to how he got the mod, all he has to do is download it from somewhere and he can claim it’s his. The real issue is sorting it out which the guys from the other forum seem to have this matter in hand, or are at least looking at solutions. I’m curious how this is going to turn out, one way or the other.

@Gibbon:

… We all know it’s really easy to make a server exe for any mod. ….

;D

I don’t know.that.
And i think Witchi is refering 2 that point.
But that will be correct 4 most mods.

@Gibbon:

We all know it’s really easy to make a server exe for any mod.

If you can mod, maybe it’s easy. If you don’t have a clue, than it’s difficult
I run the WTS server, but that don’t say i’m a modder. Because i’m not. So i could never edit/making server files whithout the help from our modder F!R.

all he has to do is download it from somewhere and he can claim it’s his.

Hmm, there you have a point which is true. But than somebody has make a link where he can download it.
With only a mod, you can’t run a server.

I’m not saying that this guy did a good job. Totally not, all people deserve the proper credits, and stealing is very low.
Knowing from our modder, how hard he worked, and how long and how much work he had on it. Than this guy deserves to get banned over the whole WWW.

But somewhere there must be something wrong how he get his hands on this.
Maybe he’s a good modder, and can make a serverfile for all mods, that i can’t jugde, i don’t know the guy.

I was only curious how he got the files

And i’m thinking furter again…
Don’t know the mod, but maybe he’s running a older version, which is giving free, but advertice with the recent stuff in it, to attrack people.
And if people come, it’s just an old version he runs.
Did somebody try to look, check, download it?

I have lean one thing. Check all for yourself, come with screens, proof and than judge
It’s very easy to make somebody to a blacksheep, but that doesn’t help people and can also turn against yourself.

All valid points and i’m not saying you don’t know what you’re doing either, i’m just saying that a half decent modder can easily make a server exe of practically any mod out there.

The post is interesting if you read it though on the other forum, as the original mod maker does have some valid points. This Dias guy could have been a tester for all we know. I agree that without some more evidence there’s not much point in having a go here, but i really, really smell a rat. Something is most definately not right here otherwise why all the fuss?

@Gibbon:

… i really, really smell a rat. …

YEP.

And maybe it is possible 2 get some more info,
links 2 the mods, …

The only thing i found is this:
http://www.cryosphere.f2s.com/Freelancer/sinfo.php?name=RogueUniverse
And server + homepage are obviously down.

Who originally made the mod?

Is it possible that one of you can get Luna here? I would like to see proof posted that this is originally his mod work and posted here pls.

The starport will not go under assumptions from other forums, so pls guys, if any one of you can locate Luna and get him here to prove publically his mod was ripped off, then more then likely Dias’ posts will be removed from this forum.

The starport does not appreciate stolen work or work that is not credited correctly, and we just want to be absolutely sure this work was stolen and not work on hear say evidence.

Thanks guys.

**According to the very last post by Lunar, Dias has stolen the mod and has also banned him/her from their forum.

I do not find this acceptable in any way, if Dias wanted to host the mod then he should have asked and been given permission to do so before simply using it in anyway he felt like doing.**

Hello everyone, I am Lunar_Eclipse aka Scoundrel and RU belongs to me. I see that you guys want some proof and possibly links to my server site, thats fine.

RU Homepage: rogueuniverse.forumotion.com

You can find the downloads to my mod there. Also please be sure and note the dates on my forum since they are dated before the release of Dias’ stolen version or at least before his advertizements here. RU has had many different forums unfortunately and this is partially from not being able to get rid of hackers.

Alright on to the proof! I have posted many shots on starport and I guess I’ll post the exact same ones here as well. I can tell you this, Dias (last I heard before he banned me from his forum) hasn’t posted the DL yet… and yet I have it and can turn on my server and prove it at the drop of a hat! The DLs for RU v2.34 have been available for DL for several months. I have included the link to DL RU v2.34 below.

Rogue Universe v2.34

These are screenies from FLMM of the info describing RU. Take notice that it matches Dias’ exactly but does show a few extra things. Coincidence?

Alright. I figured this may not be enough proof, so I dug deep into my emails and found more for ya.

Letter from Dias:

Another letter from Dias:

Group letter sent to members of RU v2.34 about me getting the mod (Lunar_Eclipse aka Scoundrel)

Yes I used the exact screenies from the other forum but just the same, I am who I say I am and I have provided the link to both my forum and DL for my mod! RU is currently down but tomarrow at 12am midnight I will boot my server and you can all see for yourselves so that when Dias decides to host my mod, you guys will be able to recognize it. Any questions, feel free to ask me publicly as I have nothing to hide.

~ Cheers

Edit: Btw, I am in PST zone (Pacific Standard Timezone) which means I am either 8 or 9 hours behind German time. Please remember to take note of this since I will turn the server on at 12am (my time). Thanks again and I hope to see all of you there.

RU is currently down but tomarrow at 12am midnight I will boot my server and you can all see for yourselves so that when Dias decides to host my mod, you guys will be able to recognize it.

I have changed my mind and am currently booting Rogue Universe right now. It should be online in about 8 minutes and will remain online until 12pm noon tomarrow (my time). I hope you all have a chance to log on my server so you can see that I do own it, as Dias has stated that he hasn’t released the download for the stolen mod yet. This should prove that I own it, I hope.

Edit: I just remembered from F!R’s post that Dias has used the exact same email as he did in the screenies I posted of emails from him. This will prove that it was him in the pics asking permission to use our ships.

F!R>… and he s possibly looking 4 a server host

http://the-starport.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=502.0

Dias Wrote>If someone wants to host one mod that i have please add me in msn [email protected].

Edited: Sry for all the edits but I’m guessin its better than spamming the thread. We use fldirectip to connect to our server m8s:

IP: 75.6.233.59

I have been contacted on my server and as a working Admin on others, by him as well with the insistance to run one of his “New” mods. I also think that under assumed character names, he’s going from server to server and using mining cheats to aid players to gain high amounts of credits or either cashing them to crash the servers.

When the players accept the offers of credits and are caught at a later date, 9 times out of 10, they are banned from that server and in the result of this have to choose another server or, open one of their own and this may be the case here.

I may have some screen shots of the chats between this player and myself as he was trying to get me to shut down my server and use his mod. Along in the chats, he was insistant that I new him and not to mention it to anyone.

I have also been given the same MSN address as you have. It’s posted to as response to me on his forum. I will copy it and bring it here to show you. I will look for the screen shots as well of our chats.

iam not actually accusing anyone but, after seeing the MSN address, I believe he and the player that has chatted with me are one in the same.

HK

Note: I’ve just returned from the Colonial Wars forum and for some reason after reviewing my posts, that whole area on the forum about needing someone to host his “New” mod doesn’t seem to be there anymore. I can’t even find the post I made there. I will still sort through all of the screens I have from watching servers and capturing chat shots between me and this player…

Seems like someone’s getting cold feet.