Let's get Coordinated!

seriously if you want to promote mods then you simply have to go to moddb and publish your work
but against all expectations it got very silent over there in the past months

and the wiki is still a bad idea coz you could simply post that information on the already existing FL sites and keep the community together this way instead to spread the content over to more and more places while the important (central) communities loose members/visitors
the basic idea should not be to spread the community all over the net but to get it closer together
realizing this i wonder why there were never serious talks between the communities about the future of FL (at least not to my knowledge)

a coin does not only have one side and its better to think about what might happen very carefully before decisions are made and you realize that the coin did not land on one of the flat sides
this is not the first lancer game that ive seen dying because of failing ideas and people which ignored the real problems

what does it help to create a community mod while FL did survice for so long because of the many different mods?
what does it help to create another FL site (even if its called “lets-save-FL.com” if nobody knows that site and the few ppl that know about it prefere to visit the old communities?
what does it help to have vids about mods if you cannot spread them en masse?
what does it help to create a wiki site?

Mostly agree here. This can(will) attract people for only some SHORT period of time. Freelancer is old. Mods can’t do everything(needed). Reborn will help(things I’ve said above). Or maybe source code.

Let’s assume we’ve attracted new people to FL. But an average player will leave it soon(3-6 month), cos it’s old and lacks many features, there’s also a chance that a good FL clone will appear replacing FL.

Only new FL is the way. Advertising something(FL) that doesn’t meet the demands of sophisticated hard-boiled players has a small use.

Not everybody’s favorite genre is space-sim.

Freelancer should be made the game it was meant to be… should I remind the ways to do it again?..

but we dont have the source code and wont get
and other games like FL are pure speculations

Does nobody have ANYTHING positive to say at ALL?

for a Save FL Forum nobody is seriously trying…

If you have no interest in saving/helping FL then why are you even here posting in this thread?

@HazardFN:

Does nobody have ANYTHING positive to say at ALL?

for a Save FL Forum nobody is seriously trying…

If you have no interest in saving/helping FL then why are you even here posting in this thread?

Sadly I think you’re right, everybody just talks and talks instead of taking some action.
We need to utilize the time spent on arguing on more constructive tasks, such as promoting the game.
Ideas for promoting the game:
-Spread the word: lend your friends the Freelancer CD to install it and to play a while, then drag them in the modding community or a RP community (such as Disco)
-Develop: use your spare time to work on development of FL. But also keep enough time for your hobby’s because your brain relaxes when you’re doing what you love, and when you’re relaxed you can think clearly of new ideas.

@OPR8R:

seriously if you want to promote mods then you simply have to go to moddb and publish your work
but against all expectations it got very silent over there in the past months

and the wiki is still a bad idea coz you could simply post that information on the already existing FL sites and keep the community together this way instead to spread the content over to more and more places while the important (central) communities loose members/visitors
the basic idea should not be to spread the community all over the net but to get it closer together
realizing this i wonder why there were never serious talks between the communities about the future of FL (at least not to my knowledge)

a coin does not only have one side and its better to think about what might happen very carefully before decisions are made and you realize that the coin did not land on one of the flat sides
this is not the first lancer game that ive seen dying because of failing ideas and people which ignored the real problems

Who said the Wiki would be a separate site? As for ModDB, this works well for one mod, but you have more chances of catching someone’s attention with many different mods which all cater to a different audience. The Star Wars fan won’t care a single bit for Discovery, but he’ll go crazy seeing Freeworlds. If you have one video with everything in, you have a chance of getting more people.

Vital, I’m sorry but I think this is a bit of an utopic point of view. If you think you can do it, go ahead, but making a game is a lot tougher than it may seem like. Even more than you think.

nobody said that “we” (i assume i was meant) have no interest in saving… the opposite is the case… that is why we are posting

to show where stuff does not work is nothing negative… its a different point of view which might prevent mistakes and in the same way you listen to those which have all these nice ideas you should listen to those which see problems that are caused by those ideas.

And yes - Im leading a pretty large community and of course I discussed this topic long time ago. Reason for me not to throw in those “alternative ideas” is (beside the fact that nobody outside SWAT was interested in that in the past) the current situation of this discussion which is chaotic enough atm.
Right now its even unsure if you ppl want to keep FL alive or if you want a new FL/game… seriously judging by the discussions this is not clear.

Vital, I’m sorry but I think this is a bit of an utopic point of view. If you think you can do it, go ahead, but making a game is a lot tougher than it may seem like. Even more than you think

Agree with you. You are right. It’s damn pretty hard.
So we should get the source code now, I guess?…

And one more thing that would probably help to keep FL alive…
More step-by-step detailed tutorials on everything that can be done, and a detailed list of things that are possible to do.

This would help people(such as me, for example) to change what they want without wasting the time and attract some of their friends(such as my friends, for example) to FL.
Many new features are available, but no tutorials.

And yes I am ready to write tuts of what I know.

@Vital:

Vital, I’m sorry but I think this is a bit of an utopic point of view. If you think you can do it, go ahead, but making a game is a lot tougher than it may seem like. Even more than you think

Agree with you. You are right. It’s damn pretty hard.
So we should get the source code now, I guess?…

And one more thing that would probably help to keep FL alive…
More step-by-step detailed tutorials on everything that can be done, and a detailed list of things that are possible to do.

This would help people(such as me, for example) to change what they want without wasting the time and attract some of their friends(such as my friends, for example) to FL.
Many new features are available, but no tutorials.

And yes I am ready to write tuts of what I know.

I understand what you mean tutorials are a little scattered around nowadays - HOPEFULLY the new Wiki we have planned will alleviate this, We at starport (that includes the members not just admins) can then moderate this Wiki and hopefully create a concise list of detailed tutorials with screen shots - and in time (with community help) perhaps translate those tutorials into a multitude of different languages, but these things need to grow slowly and don’t happen overnight

@OPR8R:

this discussion which is chaotic enough atm.

my opinion is that this is a step of coordination, the storm and the calm

oh mission save my ass is here to

Well I have to agree, I would like to see it for once as well I like Op’s attitude its what was posted in the other forum by LX you have come up with nothing new , that has not been tried before. I dont think hes being negative I think its being realistic.

Roo why are you getting so up tight? please enlighten me as to where i have been so offensive and ill edit out. I mean i had my view and im not posting about the topic as i have put my view across. No need to start throwing insults.

@Roo:

@AzzA:

oh mission save my ass is here to

Oh you have to be s**ting me!

Didnt you learn in other topic. Neither one of you are welcome here. All you are doing is making yourselves look more like morons… if thats even possible?

How about give it up and move on? No one wants either of you here. No one cares about either of you or anything you have to say.

How about you just bow out gracefully whilst you still have the chance?

To everyone else:

Ignore these idiots. This is still a GREAT idea, regardless of what they say. They have trashed one thread today. Lets not let them trash another.

Why don’t you start by telling me where “mission save my ass is here to” classes as a view on anything - I would like for you to even try pointing out the part of those words (which is a barely classifiable sentence) indicates any view at all other than the fact that you are arrogant, share no interest in the community and that contrary to your belief saving your ass may actually be a viable topic for future discussion…just please not here… and by here I do ACTUALLY mean any of Starport because honestly? I don’t think any of us have any interest in saving you from yourself

I agree that his chois of words weren’t the right ones.

But i think, like a lot of others, he posted with some other memories in mind, and no offense for that.

I was just making a point worfeh i think you might have got the “overall picture” And Hazard the save my ass was refering to my view that was questioning peoples real motive for the whole save freelancer issue. Maybe you miss understood my other posts or the context they where in.

Okies, this is cleared now.

Locked the topic…

We will start a whole new range of “save FL topics soon” …

Glad its somewhat cleared.