Flak Turrets implementation

Why not give no acceleration and simply put a muzzle_velocity? I do believe that’d work fine, although I can’t test anything ATM…

Also, I remember FLWT also uses pseudo-flak guns, but they aren’t missiles. We just strapped an explosion on top of a normal weapon and it works. Only thing I’m not sure of is whether the detonation distance works in that case.

The way I had it working before is the best implementation so far. It is a combination of muzzle velocity and acceleration from the missile. I have managed to get the “kill yourself” bug under control. It still happens every once in awhile, but its nowhere near as bad as before. Also the flak itself works perfectly. Too perfectly actually. It completely destroys my idea of balance, but that’s a discussion for somewhere else.

Also no, you cannot have a muzzle velocity with no acceleration. I cannot remember off the top of my head why not, but I know for a fact it does not work.

Also, you cannot attach an explosion to a bullet. Freelancer will not correctly apply an explosion to a projectile unless it is clearly defined as a missile. If you apply an explosion to a bullet, the explosion effect will play, but none of its gameplay values such as explosion radius, hull damage, etc, are calculated.

[Gun]
nickname = CAPITAL_1
ids_name = 458972
ids_info = 0
DA_archetype = ..\DATA\equipment\models\weapons\li_laser_beam.cmp
material_library = ..\DATA\equipment\models\li_equip.mat
HP_child = HPConnect
hit_pts = 52400
explosion_resistance = 1.000000
debris_type = debris_normal
parent_impulse = 20
child_impulse = 80
volume = 0.000000
mass = 50
hp_gun_type = hp_turret_special_07
damage_per_fire = 0
power_usage = 9000000
refire_delay = 1
muzzle_velocity = 1500
use_animation = Sc_fire
toughness = 1.000000
flash_particle_name = sp_distortion_02_flash
flash_radius = 45
light_anim = l_gun01_flash
projectile_archetype = CAPITAL_1_AMMO
separation_explosion = sever_debris
auto_turret = true
turn_rate = 90
lootable = true
LODranges = 0, 20, 60, 100

[Munition]
nickname = CAPITAL_1_AMMO
hp_type = hp_gun
requires_ammo = false
hit_pts = 2
weapon_type = W_Global
one_shot_sound = fire_capship
munition_hit_effect = ci_capgun_01_impact
const_effect = CAPITAL_1_PROJ
lifetime = 1
force_gun_ori = false
mass = 1
volume = 0.000100
detonation_dist = 25
explosion_arch = CAPITAL_1_EXPLOSION
hull_damage = 2500
energy_damage = 750

[Explosion]
nickname = CAPITAL_1_EXPLOSION
effect = CAPITAL_1_EXPLOSION
lifetime = 0.000000, 0.000000
process = disappear
strength = 100
radius = 50
impulse = 10000

I don’t actually NEED the damage to be spread over the radius, so for me this works just fine. Impulse is dealt properly. If you absolutely need to have damage dealt over a certain damage radius or if you want it to have a detonation distance, fine, but otherwise this makes a much lighter version of the flak gun, all while retaining its graphical look and feel.

The flak is working perfectly for the moment. I have not had any stuck flak missiles at all yet. I can’t exactly say what fixed it, but I am happy. I also found a way to put my flak in and be balanced. In the video I am not the one using the flak, but rather the Battleship piloted by another is. It’s great fun to watch and fly through. I am piloting a support gunboat for taking out fighters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8MIzv4W2TE&fmt=18

Wow Why, that is pretty ace stuff. Who was that with you? I take it none of the server lag issues were really worked out? lol

Also, I really need to try out some of you and KJ’s Cap Ship work. I might as well start working it into RC122, since I want to wait for M0tah to finalize his next Hook build before release.

@foxUnit01:

Wow Why, that is pretty ace stuff. Who was that with you? I take it none of the server lag issues were really worked out? lol

Also, I really need to try out some of you and KJ’s Cap Ship work. I might as well start working it into RC122, since I want to wait for M0tah to finalize his next Hook build before release.

I’m waiting for you and M0tah of great mod long long time. ;D

@foxUnit01:

Wow Why, that is pretty ace stuff. Who was that with you? I take it none of the server lag issues were really worked out? lol

Also, I really need to try out some of you and KJ’s Cap Ship work. I might as well start working it into RC122, since I want to wait for M0tah to finalize his next Hook build before release.

I’m not sure what did it, but I haven’t had any problem at all with the flak exploding the barrels anymore. I’m pretty sure it had to do with setting the missiles to dumbfire, also giving their turret turn speed a really high value helped some as well. I’ve been testing on the KJs server the whole time. He was the other pilot.

@w0dk4, I’m monkeying about with the flak cannons using your code up there but I’m finding that a lot of the ‘bullets’ are exploding as soon as they leave the barrel. Should I be increasing the lifetime a bit?

R

As a believer in open source material, here is the source code for my flak guns. Highlighted are the important bits.

[Motor]
nickname = li_battleship_flak_turret01_motor
lifetime = 1
accel = 500
delay = 0

[Explosion]
nickname = li_battleship_flak_turret01_explosion
effect = explosion_super_flak
lifetime = 0.000000, 0.000000
process = disappear
strength = 0
radius = 250
hull_damage = 750
energy_damage = 0
impulse = 50

[Munition]
nickname = li_battleship_flak_turret01_ammo
ids_name = 263383
explosion_arch = li_battleship_flak_turret01_explosion
hp_type = hp_gun
requires_ammo = false
hit_pts = 1000000 ;so that flak doesnt kill itself
one_shot_sound = null
detonation_dist = 75
lifetime = 1
Motor = li_battleship_flak_turret01_motor
force_gun_ori = false
const_effect = li_flakcannon01_proj
HP_trail_parent = HPExhaust
seeker = DUMB
time_to_lock = 0
DA_archetype = equipment\models\torpedoes\ge_torpedo.3db
material_library = equipment\models\ge_equip.mat
mass = 200
volume = 0.000100
;type = LOOT

[Gun]
nickname = li_battleship_flak_turret01
ids_name = 263383
ids_info = 264383
DA_archetype = equipment\models\turret\li_turret04.cmp
material_library = equipment\models\li_turret.mat
HP_child = HPConnect
hit_pts = 25000 ;LEquip
explosion_resistance = 0.1
debris_type = debris_turret_small
parent_impulse = 0
child_impulse = 0
volume = 16.000000
mass = 10
hp_gun_type = hp_turret_special_9
damage_per_fire = 0
power_usage = 170
refire_delay = 0.5
muzzle_velocity = 500
toughness = 10
light_anim = l_gun01_flash
projectile_archetype = li_battleship_flak_turret01_ammo
separation_explosion = sever_debris
auto_turret = true
turn_rate = 1000
lootable = true
dispersion_angle = 18

@ w0dk4 and Why485. May I have permission to add your effects and some of your code into my mod as well?

Thanks,
Robo

Oh, and while I’m awaiting permissions, I’m testing as a learning experience. This is my code so far:

 <data file="data\equipment\weapon_equip.ini" method="sectionreplace" options="1:0, 1:1">[Motor]
nickname = li_battleship_flak_turret01_motor

 <dest>lifetime = 1
accel = 166.666702</dest> 
<source>
lifetime = 0.100000
accel = 10000</data> 

 <data file="data\equipment\weapon_equip.ini" method="sectionreplace" options="1:0, 1:1">[Explosion]
nickname = li_battleship_flak_turret01_explosion

 <dest>effect = gf_explosion_super_flak
lifetime = 0.000000, 0.000000
process = disappear
strength = 100
radius = 16
hull_damage = 81.500000
energy_damage = 0
impulse = 0</dest> 
<source>
effect = flu_flakcannon01_impact
lifetime = 0.000000, 0.000000
process = disappear
strength = 80
radius = 250
hull_damage = 1000
energy_damage = 500
impulse = 1800</data> 

 <data file="data\equipment\weapon_equip.ini" method="sectionreplace" options="1:0, 1:1">[Munition]
nickname = li_battleship_flak_turret01_ammo

 <dest>hit_pts = 2
one_shot_sound = fire_capship
detonation_dist = 4
lifetime = 5
Motor = li_battleship_flak_turret01_motor
force_gun_ori = false
const_effect = li_flakcannon01_proj
HP_trail_parent = HPExhaust
seeker = DUMB
DA_archetype = equipment\models\weapons\li_rad_missile.3db
material_library = equipment\models\li_equip.mat
mass = 1
volume = 0.000100</dest> 
<source>
hit_pts = 2000
one_shot_sound = fire_capship
detonation_dist = 100
lifetime = 0.900000
Motor = li_battleship_flak_turret01_motor
force_gun_ori = false
const_effect = sp_doomsday_03_proj
HP_trail_parent = HPExhaust
seeker = DUMB
time_to_lock = 0
DA_archetype = equipment\models\weapons\li_rad_missile.3db
material_library = equipment\models\li_equip.mat
mass = 1
volume = 0.0
ids_name = 1
ids_info = 1</data> 

 <data file="data\equipment\weapon_equip.ini" method="sectionreplace" options="1:0, 1:1">[Gun]
nickname = li_battleship_flak_turret01

 <dest>hit_pts = 4800
explosion_resistance = 1.000000
debris_type = debris_turret_small
parent_impulse = 20
child_impulse = 80
volume = 50.000000
mass = 10
damage_per_fire = 0
power_usage = 0
refire_delay = 0.500000
muzzle_velocity = 83.300003
toughness = 1.600000
flash_particle_name = li_flakcannon01_flash
flash_radius = 15
light_anim = l_gun01_flash
projectile_archetype = li_battleship_flak_turret01_ammo
separation_explosion = sever_debris
auto_turret = true
turn_rate = 90</dest> 
<source>
hit_pts = 69500
explosion_resistance = 1.000000
debris_type = debris_turret_small
parent_impulse = 20
child_impulse = 80
volume = 0.000000
mass = 10
damage_per_fire = 0
power_usage = 0
refire_delay = 0.250000
muzzle_velocity = 1
toughness = 10.600000
flash_particle_name = rtc_nomad_torpedo_flash
flash_radius = 35
light_anim = l_gun01_flash
projectile_archetype = li_battleship_flak_turret01_ammo
separation_explosion = sever_debris
auto_turret = true
turn_rate = 270
dispersion_angle = 18
hp_gun_type = hp_turret_special_10</data> 

 <data file="data\FX\WEAPONS\weapons_ale.ini" method="append" options="1:0, 1:1"><source>
[VisEffect]
nickname = gf_explosion_super_flak ;created by Why485, modded by w0dk4
alchemy = fx\explosions\gf_explosion_super_flak.ale
effect_crc = 290209852
textures = fx\sarma.txm
textures = fx\lightbeam.txm
textures = fx\standardeffects.txm
textures = fx\kioncannon.txm</data> 

 <data file="data\FX\effects.ini" method="append" options="1:0, 1:1"><source>
[Effect]
nickname = gf_explosion_super_flak 
effect_type = EFT_WEAPON_IMPACT
vis_effect = gf_explosion_super_flak</data> 

I downloaded the effects file at the link you gave w0dk4, renamed the extension from *.tale to *.ale (was I supposed to do that?), and put the file in the FX\EXPLOSIONS directory.
The problem I’m seeing so far is that the effect just isn’t working. Do I need to do something else that I’ve missed?

thats where my tradelane effect probs lays 2…i cant find the issue…everything looks like its done :S

working on DOCKABLE spinning bases ATM

Freelancer is very, very picky with anything effects related. As such, when I code effects I try to keep the structure, formatting, and placement as similar to the vanilla files as possible. One such example is the way my flak effect is coded into the game.

The way you have the effect setup is something akin to a muzzle flash or bullet effect. This was not what the effect was based on, and I believe something hard-coded in Freelancer is causing this difference to shut down the effect. My effect was based on the Patriot’s explosion effect, and as such it is setup exactly the same way as the Patriot explosion, except for the names and crc being different.

This is all the code that I used in order to get my flak explosions to work in the FX folder.

\DATA\FX\effects_explosion.ini

[Effect]
nickname = explosion_super_flak
effect_type = EFT_EXPLOSION_SHIP
vis_effect = gf_explosion_super_flak
;snd_effect = med_explosion1
snd_effect = flak_explosion_sound
lgt_effect = elite_flash_to_red
lgt_range_scale = 30
lgt_radius = 30

\DATA\FX\EXPLOSIONS\explosions_ale.ini

[VisEffect]
nickname = gf_explosion_super_flak
alchemy = fx\explosions\gf_explosion_super_flak.ale
effect_crc = 290209852
textures = fx\sarma.txm
textures = fx\lightbeam.txm
textures = fx\standardeffects.txm
textures = fx\kioncannon.txm

I’ll give that a try. Thanks.

Also, I notice the Munition still used the explosion_arch = li_battleship_flak_turret01_explosion. This has no bearing on the actual effect I presume?

R

Oh by the way, have you tried implementing these as CM’s instead? -so they only go off during incoming missile / torp fire