Let's get Coordinated!
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Uberlancer started with many mistakes that have been done
Uberlancer is an ordinary mod like all others and not the mod that can save FL… i dont think that a single mod can ever do such stuffjust alone the name and the presentation in the early days of that project raised false hopes which are meanwhile gone in the FL community
hopes of the ppl which wanted to help… and hopes of players which finally had to realize that Uberlancer might have been hopeless from the start.EDIT - seriously keep it PG-13, you scared even me…
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Can someone please edit the last 3 words of the above post… it just doesnt sound right… and may cause offense.
I have to say OPR8R; I really can not recall the last positive post from you. Is everything so negative?
Yes Uberlancer started wrong, I just made that point. But there is NEVER any harm in trying. It didnt hurt anybody did it?
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This thread is supposed to be about saving FL, although Uberlancer is doing that your kind of talking about the failures and the death etc. You see where I’m going?
Your making the future of FL seem bleak which is completely opposite to the current topic which TECHNICALLY is off-topic spam so…
WATCH IT Â ;D
Seriously though try and think positively, this is about saving a game we all have some connection to as a community - your talking about the very game that bought us to this website in the first place, unless you got some other reason for being here
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@Roo:
Can someone please edit the last 3 words of the above post… it just doesnt sound right… and may cause offense.
I have to say OPR8R; I really can not recall the last positive post from you. Is everything so negative?
Yes Uberlancer started wrong, I just made that point. But there is NEVER any harm in trying. It didnt hurt anybody did it?
Actually, just look at the responses. Uberlancer (and, before it, Openlancer) gave everyone a bitter taste which makes every next attempt at making a general initiative even harder. With each failure, the community seems to fracture itself even more and have less trust and faith in those they do not know personally.
However, Hazard is totally right and any further post about something that is off-topic will be split. Let’s get back on track and do some good, alright?
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Roo gets back in his box
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You DO know GE is far from a Freelancer “clone”? If games which give similar gameplay to FL are clones, we might as well call X3, Jumpgate, Darkstar One and a whole lot of other games clones.
Also, this is something to try to get the game advertised and known around. If you think this isn’t the proper way to go, why don’t you actually enlighten everyone with your knowledge? It would help everyone and the community as a whole would benefit from it. Remember, none of those people are doing this for themselves and everyone is as dependent as they are of Freelancer’s popularity. If the global community dwindles, ALL SERVERS DIE. That’s a “FACT”, as you call it
Are you real??? What drivel your writing and your head is in the clouds. Explain what budget these companies had to dev the game compared to GE. Explain how your going to convert the FL gamers to GE? FFS GE is not a viable alternative that people will WAIT for. I can imagine people thinking “wow this GE is great I must now go and buy Freelancer”
I have already posted ideas spent hours on MSN explaining how SEO can be used to optimise the sites for freelancer, I have already suggested changes to Starport on how it can reach out to more users.
So dont get sarcastic with me about how your so righteous doing stuff in your own time, maybe if you actually decided what your going to do i.e Save freelancer or give it up and make some clone then you have reached the starting point of doing something. Until that moment, there is no starting point. Its like kids in the playground talking about there latest ideas.
So in summary, either save FL or go and dev GE. which is the point of my first post.
Seriously I haven’t known you for very long and already your starting to get on my nerves… In that last post you have:
Undermined everything the community is trying to do
Disheartened anyone who may have believed anything you had written (God help them)
Insulted a Friend and an Admin (Harsh Move)
Made a really bad reputation for yourselfYour right we don’t have a budget - but you don’t need a budget to create something good, just talent and my God does this community have plenty of it…
GE is undergoing development concurrently to us trying to get people into FL - and whether we choose to help Lancer Solarus or not is up to US! Albeit from you to try and force people out of helping by destroying anyones hope in the project actually succeeding
Any ideas you will have posted would’ve perhaps been considered had you not completely ruined your reputation as a member of this community with your disregard for anyone here and what we are trying to do…
Had you felt your suggestions not been taken into account all it would’ve taken was a PM or a tactful post…
FF is allowed to feel righteous about doing things in his own time - he has earned that right through constantly making an effort and helping others, you think there would even be a starport to flame on were he not here?
Saving FL WHILE developing GE is not an option no?
You have been completely tactless and if it wasn’t for me not wanting to at least temp ban someone on my first day my god I would’ve…
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Actually, I have been and will continue to support Freelancer up to the point where it is dead and buried. I may be supportive of GE, but only Lancer Solurus is actively working on that. It is his project and his alone; his baby and his masterpiece. Whether people want to go ahead and support him too in ways they can is up to them. Whether you don’t want to help him is up to you.
From your point of view, it’s a bit like people should never been eager to see another game being developed. If someone decides to be dedicated at two places, he’s immediately bound to fail at both places. Is that right? I don’t believe so.
We aren’t asking people to WAIT for GE. GE is something everyone should have at the back of their mind, but that doesn’t mean we’ll drop everything and wait at LS’ porch until it is completed, otherwise this discussion would not even have been started. We are actively working on trying to do good stuff for Freelancer.
As for SEO, we already know all that and will apply it in due time based on what we believe is good. However, as many people know, SEO and user friendliness are often contradictory; we will never remove the FLCN to get better pagerank, for instance.
Please, be a little less insulting in your posts too; I don’t want to see a flame war erupt in a thread which is supposed to be a positive thing for all.
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Im makeing a site called Save FL right now, staff needed
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Im makeing a site called Save FL right now, staff needed
We wish you all the best Stormblast. Feel free to keep us in the loop
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Sure I will. ;D
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I deleted my post before anyone responded as i didnt get my point over well enough and knew that it wasnt productive.
I have said enough on the matter and am disapointed that people decide to jump on a deleted post even though its prompted before they post their reply. A Very childish and immature response @ HazardFN in light of the fact that you know I had deleted the post.
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I deleted my post before anyone responded as i didnt get my point over well enough and knew that it wasnt productive.
I have said enough on the matter and am disapointed that people decide to jump on a deleted post even though its prompted before they post their reply. A Very childish and immature response @ HazardFN in light of the fact that you know I had deleted the post.
I was already in the process of writing my reply before I knew your post was deleted, when I posted my reply I had realised your post had gone…
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Let’s leave it shall we gentlemen? Both parties have made thier points and had thier say.
Anyone for a mince pie? I have squirty cream to go with it! ;D
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FFS! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GUYS THINKING?!
were SAVING the community to rip apart, not RIPPING it apart!
Wolfie has a point.
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Indeed. Any further discussion must actually be constructive in a POSITIVE way, please ::)
Otherwise, I’ll have to go split-happy and may unfortunately split things into the garbage bin, so be careful…
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Openlancer is not dead(for now).
Site: www.opengameforge.orgWanna keep freelancer(not the new game with new story/ships/characters etc.) alive - read my previous post in this topic.
Or get the source code for FL. (We should keep trying here, but damn MS… Â >:(:()
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@roo
i tend to say what i think… no matter if its positive or negative
and right now there is a pretty good balance betwen both… but some ppl always tend only to see the negative comments and ignore the possitive stuff… it always has been that way in the FL community and it will never changedont blame me for that negative stuff because i have not caused it… i just pointed out that there was much which went wrong
if you guys want to put on pink glasses in order to see a shiny FL world then feel free to that
but i prefere to see the reality with all its mistakes in order to do it better next time
the FL community does not have the resources for much more mistakes which demoralize the playersMission: Save FL
many ideas (for sure not all bad ones)
atm i see just one idea which could have a positive effect on the FL communitywhat does it help to create a community mod while FL did survice for so long because of the many different mods?
what does it help to create another FL site (even if its called “lets-save-FL.com” if nobody knows that site and the few ppl that know about it prefere to visit the old communities?
what does it help to have vids about mods if you cannot spread them en masse?
what does it help to create a wiki site?
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…you can try to prove me wrong… but ideas are no concepts yet and my almost 9 years of experience in the Lancer community showed me how easy ideas can fail and what hard concequences it can have
its always worth to think twice before crying “hurray” -
The problem isn’t with the legal stuff, it’s with the amount of work required to actually do such a thing. Making a whole GAME ENGINE is no small task.
Plus, that’s what LS is attempting already with GE and he’s succeeding alright.
But again, for the last time, keep this thread about FL. Not about GE, not about OL, not about Space Sim XX349-A, it’s about FL as it is.
@OP: I agree that some ideas are not as good as others, but the two last examples I need to nuance:
-What is the point of videos you say? Well, you need to take it step-by-step. First, make the actual content you want to distribute. Once that is done, try to publish and distribute it. It is usually MUCH easier to get content up when you have it and can showcase it than when you’re making everything up out of thin air and promises. If the stuff is well made, there’s a higher chance to see it published on larger gaming sites such as ModDB or IGN. If you’re only planning to do it, they’ll tell you to call later.
-What is the point of a wiki? Well first, a wiki would not be used to attract people, but more to serve as a consolidated tutorials and game information repository. You could have everything ranging from tips & tricks for the game to detailed analysis of each file’s purpose and each block’s structure with each property’s meaning, all updated much more efficiently than any article-based website could and with a much more efficient navigational structure. A Wiki would be a tribute to the community’s knowledge and would help off newcomers and oldies alike.
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seriously if you want to promote mods then you simply have to go to moddb and publish your work
but against all expectations it got very silent over there in the past monthsand the wiki is still a bad idea coz you could simply post that information on the already existing FL sites and keep the community together this way instead to spread the content over to more and more places while the important (central) communities loose members/visitors
the basic idea should not be to spread the community all over the net but to get it closer together
realizing this i wonder why there were never serious talks between the communities about the future of FL (at least not to my knowledge)a coin does not only have one side and its better to think about what might happen very carefully before decisions are made and you realize that the coin did not land on one of the flat sides
this is not the first lancer game that ive seen dying because of failing ideas and people which ignored the real problems
