Hi all

Wicked_Witch

I know its OT but what is so hard to understand that someone can requests to let remove his stuff. Its his. He can post public as well. You must not agree to it - but it was legally ok.

Hmm, why does he feels attacked than when Predator ask if he wanna delete the stuff from WTS?

@Predator:

Originally Posted by Predator
i have pm this to SWAT

hi there can you remove all my stuff from youre forum
and delete my name also ?
when you have done that you can send me a email at [email protected]

thx freelancer/predator server host from the wts

As i already wrote in my PM reply I will not waste my time with the removal of anything.
I fail to see why I actually should do that. In the past months I was often enough target of FIRs attacks in close to all FL communities (and obviously he belongs to your team). Attacks which often were very personal and offensive. And now I get such a request without even being told about serious reasons (if those exist).

In the past years I have recommented WTS to many players… I did this on TLR and on many other FL sites… I did ads for WTS… and all of a sudden I receive such a treatment from you WTS guys?
Maybe such a behaviour is normal in the new freelancer community meanwhile… ?

SWAT_OP-R8R

Nothing wrong with the request from Predator right?
It’s not brutal, it’s a polite request?
So, yes indeed, what’s so hard to understand to that request, and why feel attacked?
Op may ask it, than it’s okay. Another may not ask it, than it must be burned out?
Sorry, i miss the link again i guess

Again, i have nothing to OPR8R. Don’t know the guy, but why is it okay for him to ask, and if another person ask him, he feel attacked?
What’s the difrence between Predator and OPR8R?
He writes he do ads for the WTS well, so do we for SWAT, and for more other community’s. So….???

Only if others have to say something against it, than he/she starting a flamewar or a vendetta.
I’m really sorry, think i must color my hair again to another one, to really understand the difrence

w0dk4

I found the joke was very obvious and entertaining.

You know, this thread is a nice example how UBER-serious you all take your communities and loyalities and responsabilities and your mods and your incredible copyrighted work and so on… really lighten up!

FriendlyFire

@Huor: Throwing this and TLR’s porn together in the same bin is like saying Nazis and the guy who threw a shoe at George Bush are of the same threat category. It’s both plain wrong and just as distasteful as what you’re crying about.

I stand by my opinion, just like w0dk4’s.

Now this is a last warning: get back on topic or I will DELETE replies following this one that are not.

OPR8R

It is easy to blame someone… it is not that easy to prove it.

You blame me to be guilty of something… of being offensive… of not supporting projects.
An interesting claim.

The open letter from the TSP admins:
The TSP admins requested help and feedback on that threads saying that they are not able anymore to run this place due to the lack of time and interest.
I went to that thread… I gave objective non-biased feedback. I offered my help there.
Just one single thread that was only about the topic of that thread… not a single offensive word has been said by me.
The response were stupid claims… insults and other crap directed against me.
In the end this thread got closed by a TSP admin which at the same time claimed that I started a flamewar.
I wonder how I did this because others have started the troubles… TSP members which got offensive and used the thread to attack me.

(on a side note: IF the TSP admins have no time and no interest in FL anymore like they claimed on that particular thread… why did one of them join the reactorforge admin team then? obviously TSP has enough other problems and projects that are not finished nor even started to be done. And why in gods name does guy started a thread on the RF admin forum trying to convince the other RF staff members not to listen to my suggestions. Sorry but i am sick of that backstabbing crap that is done behind the scenes.)

The incredible idea to create a Freelancer movie:
After everybody cried “yay” to that idea I brougth up legit arguements speaking against such a project.
Such as the weird story which was based on a server mod instead of FL, the fact that the production of such a movie does take years, that there is no real concept.
Until today none of my arguements could have been revoked by better arguements. No - instead sticking to what has been discussed the personal attacks against me started out of nothing.
This happened before and must be a forum policy here… if you run out of arguements -> get personal and offend others.
I wonder how the arguement/fact “it takes years to create such a movie” can lead to reply “you are a negative bastard” and more of those comments.

@Xarian_Prime
you want that I support something?

Well I supported TLR years ago when it was supposed to get shut down with the result that it could stay online for one more year until microsoft pulled the plug. I have spent much time and money to support that community to ensure that the freelancer modders and admins have a community they can call their home.
I support many mods out there… teaching modders directly
I have supported TSP until it developed to another TLR
I support some of the biggest FL projects and communities.
I always supported modders with new ideas and encouraged players to post their ideas no matter how they might seem to realize
I supported the fairplay in the Freelancer community for years interfering when certain communities claim “we are the best” or when troubles between FL server had to be sorted out

I can not support anything that is doomed to fail.
Examples:
The famous TLR meeting in november 2007. Many of you were there and you all agreed with the great big plans that were being made there.
Only one guy (me) voiced his concerns about those plans and asked the most dangerous question ever: “how do you plan to realize that?”.
Up to now i didnt get a response to that question. The only i got was this negative shittalk about me that you guys still do.
Fact is we dont fact that incredible TLR Freelancer hub… no we have some hacking jerks instead. And that because you guys ignored valid arguements and answered them with personal attacks.

A few weeks later there was a project that I would have supported at any circumstances. A project which could have delayed the shut down of the global list server and therefore a project that could have kept high the numbers of FL players. But well - The same people said “no we can do it better” … and we know the results meanwhile.

I could go on with many other situations where my judgement about a project has turned to be true.
Openlancer
Uberlancer
Mod spotlight
FL wiki
FL movie
TSP 2.0
All these project got hyped… where are they now?

The FL tournament… I discussed it with bas when he started it… I told him what will happen. Meanwhile several months passed by… my words have been turned out to be true about it.

Now Xarian_Prime I fulfilled your request to prove you wrong.

My judgement is not based on that crappy god thing you claim… it is simply based on 9 years of experience and at least in the past 4 years I have never been wrong with the choice of projects that I support.

@FIR
It does not surprise me that you jump into this thread to attack me once more. How many times did you do that this year on all of the FL communities already? 8-9 times meanwhile?.. turning normal discussion into “lets attack OP-R8R” flamewars.
You did it several times here meanwhile… you did it twice on TLR… and you did it on STN… oh damn FLC does not have such a thread yet… but I guess that is just a matter of time.
You seem to use every chance to attack me and my community… it is no secret that you do that for months meanwhile. And now you are pointing to well known public threads to do what?
You have posted enough lies about me and your claims about moddb are plain stupid as my work did belong to those which got attacked.

Unlike you I dont start posts with the intent to attack somebody and unlike you I support the FL community and its sites carelessly of personal grudges against certain people. You can find hundreds of threads online where I didnt tell players to join my community when they were looking for a mod but sending them to other communities.
And if you would follow daywalkers links you would notice that Bas and I tried out best to promote FL and get FL mods burned on the DVD of one of the biggest german gaming magazines. After there were concerns about licence problems with the Starwars mod (Freeworlds -> which i suggested to be used) I suggest to put other mods such as Discovery, Tekagies Treasure and WTS on that DVD. A suggestion I meanwhile regret after reading that crap from you FIR.

It it is very interesting to see how server admins and modders of TSP act. How they talk behind the scenes… how they spread rumours and lies, how they act with deepest disrespect to other people and their work.
I feel almost like being back on TLR.

Taken from moddb

Ruppetthemuppet Apr 6 2009, 10:07am says:

Crossfire is Fail. Stolen Fail at that.

a few weeks later a member of another FL modding team comes to my mod profile and start a giant flamewar claiming that the stuff in my mod has been stolen from other mods. It wasnt hard to prove him wrong and he admitted that he was being told that this is the case by some server admins here at TSP.
I wonder how many more lies are being told by the members behind the locked boards of this community and via messenger.

@Wicked_Witch
Except the continious trash talk of FIR against me and my community I have not seen a single time that you WTS people did promote anything SWAT related.
And because of exactly that trash talk from FIR I denied that request. That the request to remove that stuff has something to do with FIR has been confirmed in a later PM.
Everybody on my forum has the right to edit and delete own posts… everybody on my forum has the right to delete the entire account by doing just a few clicks. So why in gods name do you think that people which constantly do trash talk against me and my community have the right to demand something from me? Especially when they easily could do that stuff without my help.

@FriendlyFire
but throwing other stuff together like it has been done before is better?

and now something about the Starlancer stuff
never before I have revoked the usage right of my work… the only times I asked somebody to remove my work from their server was when they used it without my permission.

The ships that are being used at SWAT and the ships being used by gibbon have about the same quality since gibbon and I worked together and helped each other.
Next to that… with SWAT having 3 active starlancer projects (2 FL mods and 1 Starlancer remake on a different game engine) it was somewhat unfair to tell jammi (who has absolutly no modding experience) to get a few models and create a mod from the scratch while such mods do already exist or are in production.

“i want to play FL”
“go get a game engine and code that game”

Huor

Yeah i am sorry for OT and the threads question was already answered. I feel just to post my mind - btw for me you are a bit too fast with deleting stuff. I didn’t attacked someone or am unfriendly or have bad manners.

Well maybe it was a joke. You find it ok to put SWAT in the light that we “kill” persons from other servers when asking questions at our portal? With that joke the members of the swat community are discredit despite from what you are thinking. It clearly puts bad lights on us.

@wicked witch:
Thats not the whole truth. And btw we at swat discussed it - outcome we would remove the stuff but it was not requested by the stuff owner… So sending someone else to remove stuff of someone different is legally also not very ok - imho.
Would you delete stuff from OP-R8R if i request it on your board? (besides the reality )

@friendly fire:
there is a bit truth in your comparison^^ the aim was to hurt someone - although the Nazis deeds were not only hurting… but this cant be compared either. Doing a joke here and having the joke at TLR can be compared. In your eyes this was a joke. In TLR eyes that was also a joke. But nevertheless i think this here will be deleted anyway. You just shut up the peoples minds you don’t like - instead you could move them to the off topic section, split the topic and move…

I don’t want an apology from anyone just stating that the joke could not be taken as such from us. Just want to let you know this guys.

Worfeh

You ever seen any post being deleted here on SP?
Except the fail fun of Knife ofcourse.

If its needed we lock it.

But atm i have fun in reading the thread, seeing childish remarks… people who’s " I " button is stuck, and repeating ranting wich gets boring at times.
But until we stop having fun reading it we keep it open.

w0dk4

I don’t want an apology from anyone just stating that the joke could not be taken as such from us. Just want to let you know this guys.

I see that, yet is it a reason to make pages long posts that basically consist of self-praising?
I dont see us (as in the Starport staff) come to the Swat Portal to defend TSP from claims such as we would destroy the FL community and whatnot and how OP is again gonna save us all by his magic wand (and these are not jokes!).

OPR8R

that is pretty much because such claims do not exist

Septimus

@Worfeh:

But atm i have fun in reading the thread, seeing childish remarks… people who’s " I " button is stuck, and repeating ranting wich gets boring at times.
But until we stop having fun reading it we keep it open.

@w0dk4:

I don’t want an apology from anyone just stating that the joke could not be taken as such from us. Just want to let you know this guys.

I see that, yet is it a reason to make pages long posts that basically consist of self-praising?
I dont see us (as in the Starport staff) come to the Swat Portal to defend TSP from claims such as we would destroy the FL community and whatnot and how OP is again gonna save us all by his magic wand (and these are not jokes!).

Now I am convinced that I joined the wrong community. Admins which take site with people that violate rules.
I have heard about this community just a few weeks ago when I decided to build my first Freelancer mod. It just took a few days reading this forum to find out that this here is a plain sick and decadent site. It looks like you want to keep the status quo: the degeneration of the Freelancer community.

The good news is: this is not the only Freelancer site on the net.

Roo Avery

You are free to make your own choices Septimus.

So I bid you farewell and wish you the best of luck in the future.

Regards,

Roo

Wicked_Witch

@Huor:

@wicked witch:
Thats not the whole truth. And btw we at swat discussed it - outcome we would remove the stuff but it was not requested by the stuff owner… So sending someone else to remove stuff of someone different is legally also not very ok - imho.
Would you delete stuff from OP-R8R if i request it on your board? (besides the reality )

Okay i can understand that. But we run almost 2 Â year the WTS server, so we have a voice in that to. Partly it’s ours also.
So in this case, Predator has the right to request it
Predator is my husband, also serverhost of the WTS.

No, if you not a server/mod owner, but only Admin and you should ask me to remove it, i wouldn’t remove it.
If one of the admins had request it, than you are completly right.

And if i understand you now right, than only a modder can request it?
Server owners have nothing to say?
Or don’t you mean it on that way. Correct me

@OPR8R: If you can find from time to time, the time to intrest in other community’s websites to, than you would have found, that your link to swat is there to.
Even on our new site. (which still isn’t online, but already there)
Tja, if you don’t come there, than you won’t see the ad’s to right

Roo Avery

(on a side note: IF the TSP admins have no time and no interest in FL anymore like they claimed on that particular thread…. why did one of them join the reactorforge admin team then? obviously TSP has enough other problems and projects that are not finished nor even started to be done. And why in gods name does guy started a thread on the RF admin forum trying to convince the other RF staff members not to listen to my suggestions. Sorry but i am sick of that backstabbing crap that is done behind the scenes.)

You know what? I am sick and f****** tired of listening to you OP. You said you left TSP, so please, you know where the door is, just leave already.

FYI (that means ‘for your information’) I never claimed to not have the time. You don’t have the background information on the Admin team here, so don’t pretend to know everything. I currently have no Internet Connection. I have to use my Blackberry as modem which is slow and sluggish. Or I can use my internet at work for an hour a day. So I told the Team here once my net connection is back, I will be able to do more, until then I cant do more than post here on the forums as thats all my connection allows me to do.

I am not on the ‘Admin’ team at ReactorForge. I am there observing and providing feedback and assistance after being asked by YellowEagle and BakedPotato. The site is in Alpha whilst they await Turion. And if you hadnt noticed Freelancer isnt even 5% of what the site covers. I have access to the Admin Panel and such, but dont actually do anywork there.

You are so full of s***. Honestly, do you ever stop to think ‘why am I so self obsessed?’. I guess you dont.

I did NOT tell them to disregard your suggestions. I asked them to not allow a flame war about Freelancer on thier site. There is too many flame wars. Like this thread for example. I also told them although I respect what you have done on SWAT I also think your part of the problem. So yes, in a way I respect you, but in another way you drive me crazy with frustration. Your 3rd post on Reactorforge was belitteling Starport and everyother site APART from SWAT.

I personally dont see that I did anything wrong other there. Nor does a single member of the ReactorForge site.

So my advice to you is before making a post over here about an incident elsewhere, get your facts right or speak to me in MSN first. You have me added.

Wow…. now I guess this thread has to be locked or deleted. Bad Roo! Nasty Roo! Grouchy Roo. But then again, I dont like lies being told.

Grey_Wolf

Hello Jammi, Very glad to meet you.

Please try and forgive the small brush fire that smolders in here. None of this is your fault or has anything to do with you or anyone’s desire to actually help you.

I would like to see your attempts at a Starlancer MOD continue unhindered,
maybe a small suggestion of a new uncluttered topic would be wise.

I hope to see more of you and your MOD here real soon M8…

@Jammi:

'Lo, I’m Jammi from the Discovery mod. If you’ve been over there you’ve probably spotted me at some time or other. I just thought it’d probably be a good idea to come on over here to see what was going on!

Aside from that I’ve got a dream of creating a total conversion Starlancer mod for Freelancer - I’ve no idea whether this has been done before, and I most certainly don’t have the skills to do it yet, but I’ll be learning and looking for help! You can get anything done with persistence and dedication, right?

Well, hopefully it’s as good here as people say. I’m sure you guys are just great.

OPR8R

@roo - finished swearing and insulting me?
the 3rd post at RF was the reponse to what you wrote about me on the admin board and the previous 2 posts were a “id like to offer my help” and a “every site critics is good” posts… nothing that ever could start a flamewar

Huor

@Wicked_Witch:

@Huor:

@wicked witch:
Thats not the whole truth. And btw we at swat discussed it - outcome we would remove the stuff but it was not requested by the stuff owner… So sending someone else to remove stuff of someone different is legally also not very ok - imho.
Would you delete stuff from OP-R8R if i request it on your board? (besides the reality )

Okay i can understand that. But we run almost 2 Â year the WTS server, so we have a voice in that to. Partly it’s ours also.
So in this case, Predator has the right to request it
Predator is my husband, also serverhost of the WTS.

No, if you not a server/mod owner, but only Admin and you should ask me to remove it, i wouldn’t remove it.
If one of the admins had request it, than you are completly right.

And if i understand you now right, than only a modder can request it?
Server owners have nothing to say?
Or don’t you mean it on that way. Correct me

Yeah you got me right. Anyway without a written acceptance from the person that wants to get removed his stuff - i am not allowed to delete it. And i think you would not be allowed to delete OPs post when i request to do so. This could simply be abused. I am no lawyer - but i think such actions would not be justified. Only the person who is owner of something (in this case posts) can request to delete them or delete downloads etc.pp… If there is another admin or whatever titel he/she wears doesnt matter. Its based on the law that you have to obey even in the internet

@w0dka:
no page long posts would not be necessary at all. All I want to say is that we are not that kind of persons that someone might think we are whenn reading and understanding this joke. And you are welcome to research on SWAT about such jokes about TSP - if you found one you are welcome to start a thread there as well. I doubt you will find one - but you may come if you want…

@worfeh:
I am not totally sure but there was another incident here on TSP where i think a post from OP or anyone else was deleted and the thread was closed. Closing threads wont do any good. The frustration can not be solved - cause that is mostly done by communication. Thats my impression and for this reason i would only close a thread if it is violating heavily agains any rules. BTW if you think we shall move to somewhere else - i can offer to post on SWAT cause we are dealing here with us. And if you dont like it here we can do it at SWAT (no its no direct advertisment - i just want that people can talk and discuss things if they feel to do so).

@roo:
Calm down - as admin such insults should not appear. Sorry i know you are human being like me and anyone else. But as admin you have to be a paragon for others.

@all:
Sorry again for abusing this thread here. It was a bad joke and sorry we could not see it as joke - cause we were the guys who were “attacked” by it.
Over and out now… I think we came nearly to a flame. Would be nice next time if you just could prevent such jokes. They are not nice anyway!

Ramirez

Welcome to the Starport, Jammi. Hopefully you can see passed the flame-fest and enjoy your time here in other threads.

Dark_Angel

Yeah, like I said before, there are morons and fanboys here. But apart from that the vast majority of people aren’t like that.

@ others, two words : Grow up.

Worfeh

@Dark_Angel:

@ others, two words : Grow up.

Word

FriendlyFire

@Huor: Nearly? I’m already wearing my flameproof suit +99 protection against bitter fire. Just in case.

Now, it’s very possible the whole thing is a matter of miscommunication, but this is neither the time nor place to resolve such an issue.

@OP: You’re accusing me of throwing stuff together and then you lump Openlancer and SP 2.0 in the same bundle? Look at yourself before speaking, please.

I also find it funny you put everyone you disagree with you as being part of the “TSP community”, like that was a very defined and isolated group of people. It just looks like you want to make it seem as if it was Starport’s fault if people disagreed with you or didn’t like you, while everyone has their own communities and their own history. Of course people on the SWAT Portal won’t disagree with you as much, if at all. Why would they be there otherwise? People are crying bias, but bias is everywhere.

Also, “- I always supported modders with new ideas and encouraged players to post their ideas no matter how they might seem to realize”. Then why did you bash soooo many ideas over here as being unfeasible or outright bad? I’m not against constructive criticism, but you just came in the thread with a 1000-ton mass of “fail” and bashed the ideas without ever providing possible alternatives or actually showing any form of tact. It’s not THAT hard to be gentle, even if you think the idea is total bullshit, and people will appreciate you more for it.

@Huor: Knife, AzzA and Mentalchaos did not find it funny. They did it purposefully so everyone would be disgusted, to taint the reputation of the whole community through the sole (at the time) active portal listed on the official fansite list. Don’t try entering in the mind of those guys, it’s akin to trying to understand Satan himself. On top of that, nothing posted or done here is obscene, like their stuff was. Again, the comparison is very distasteful.

@Septimus: If that’s what you think we’re doing, you’re free to do as you please. Have fun!

And thanks OP for making me think to check what you guys say of SP at SWAT Portal. An interesting read for sure, if a little expected.

FR

… let’s c what we got

— If Pred requests SWAT to remove WTS stuff in PM it’s an evil offence
— If SWAT posts that in a public forum it’s ok

— If other people don’t fight TLR as SWAT wants them to, they are of short memory etc.
— If SWAT works with TLR it’s fine.

— If someone makes a joke about the relation Discovery - SWAT, it’s as evil as posting porn links for SWAT.

— If someone points at plain facts, it’s ‘trash talk’.

— Once more we had to see very long stories about community etc. etc.
… and even so the WTS World mod did assimilate stuff from everywhere
… starting with Argh and not ending with W0dk4, i was not able to find any credits 4 SWAT.
… - maybe those were missed, but i suppose they just were not earned
… and ‘community’ ends, were no personal advantage can be gained.

So thanks for proofing once more
@F!R:

……anything not promoting this persons opinion,
will just lead to more crying and bitching.