[Freelancer Mod News]Jason's Freelancer Patch
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Aha… another mod promising “roll”…
now my Question is this… and it comes from a good place (lol)
This has been activated in many mods (including my own) but i’ve
never cracked how to make it “useable” in flight…shure if i disable the mouse flight and manualy fly with the keys its all works. ( rolls nice ) but is this version the same dealy… or can i roll with the mouse flight active?..
And as far as flagging this as “old” or a cheat… cmon guys… he saw a hole… and coded a fix for it… I ask ye all this… Were is RbR? were are alot of “old” mods?.. If a new modder comes along and makes a mod based on what they don’t see available… then Great stuff!!..
Maybe calling it a patch is the problem here… as some will think its oki to "patch’ there version of FL… and take that online into another mod that dont have this activated… Well… that is cheating… and not a fault of the patch maker… but the player who knows (and has been told) better… those particular breed of pilots will find another way to cheat anyways… weather they use this or RbR or any other non vanila code to give em the “edge”…
Awesome try m8, Ignore the grumbles about cheating… I feel ye did well. if despicable pilots wanna use it to cheat… ye cant (& shouldnt) be blamed
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The problem is that some players might use it who wouldn’t otherwise if it won’t have been released.
To clarify my statement, I wouldn’t care about it if it is a server mod or something like this….but as an opt. Mod (or patch), released for everyone out there, it is difinitivly. As I have said, players with vertical strafe have a HUGE (!!!) advantage about those who don’t.
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here’s how i see it. Verti strafing has been around since the dawn of time, anyone with enough drive to get it working for them will do it. its not like he’s releasing some new thing that can be exploited, its there already, and i have to agree with Gibbon here. its already there, it was a hole in FL base code, and he fixed it. if you have a problem with it, make it a bannable offense on your server or something. dont harp on adoxa for trying to throw out an improvement
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Erm… The point is exactly that by making vertical strafing a lot easier to use, more people will use it, which will create problems for balance and might cause people to get banned due to ignorance on either side.
I mean, I’m not necessarily against it, but I can see the problems it could cause. w0dk4 is also right that if you combine it with macros, you can get a serious balance problem. For mods that sometimes take months to balance, that’d be a HUGE issue.
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A challenge should be fair. This, in many cases, won’t.
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The up-/down strafe “feature” is integrated in the hamburg city mod since 2,5+ years. BUT (!!) in the polll 50% of the players wanted to get rid of the feature - And most of the other 50% of the players were traders. And for those the feature isn’t such a critical change in comparision to the fighters.
This should give you thoughts to think about - That even half of the players who know the feature very long dislike it.
It is, the vertical strafe is as fast as the horizontal.
This isn’t the whole thingy. You can strafe in other directions, which your enemy CAN’T (!!) counter with strafe if he hasn’t the patch installed. This is major point.
Please don’t think just about yourself….maybe you like it, but don’t forcer others to do so as well. With such a feature maybe many players get statisfied - But you shall never forget about those who don’t and who will HATE it. You just can’t leave them out of the discussion
(The biggest point is simple, it affects the gameplay very much)
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No need to get aggressive on either side. I don’t want to lock this; don’t make me have to start dealing warnings.
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Oh, and we are allowed to make this decision for all the vanilla or modded servers?
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Eh…can’t edit my posting somehow
One thing to add, EVEN if we all agree that it is a nice feature, BUT: ADMINS WILL (!!) BANN PLAYERS CAUSE OF UP-/DOWNSTRAFE !!
You make the game for the admins and for the players who don’t use such features very much harder. And for those who get banned cuase of it. -
I had no idea vertical strafing would cause such controversy. But what can I do about it? Can’t really make it an install option, since that has the same problem. Besides, I think it’s still possible to add the keys directly to UserKeyMap.ini, so it doesn’t matter if the controls are present in Options or not. I guess I could add an optional patch to jflp.dll to prevent reading the keys. I believe anticheat utilities can then detect a modified jflp.dll/dacom.ini?
As for rolling during mouse flight, I might be able to override the mouse flight flag and get it working. No promises, though.
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Yes, of course it is still possible - But 1.) it makes it much more easier for the player to edit vertical strafing settings and 2.) they may think then that it is ok to use at any server. so people might even didn’t wanted to cheat, they just didn’t knew about that some server admins/players don’t like to see such a feature used at their server.
I personally give you the advice to remove it. It is just an advice from a mate, but still your decision what do you want to do about it. -
The way I look at and I do agree with Bas, is, anything that alters the original functions of any mod placed on a server for others to use is to be use as is and not altered in any such way. Many server rules state that you are to use this >MOD< only. Cheats, Hacks, Altering the .inis is cause for banishment. It’s just a hack for any server. If you intend to pursue offering this mod with no real intentions of doing harm, maybe you should make it only useful for SP and not useful for servers.
Here’s a thought, start surfing the forums and read the server rules for a while and you will see that what I say is true. This may and will get many players banned if they think they can just use it freely without the worry of getting banned. They will get caught and they will get banned per server rules.
Anything that alters a client side mod is cheating. Just as if you were to use the Speed Mod to get around a little faster, it’s harmful but, it’s still cheating.
It disrupts game play on any server.
In-game message on my server is as follows: Rules for now are simple. Cheating = Ban. Foul replies or chats = Ban. Hacking = Ban. Any questions?
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**Umm, SSM has included 4 directional strafing for nearly 4 years, plus every other single key that FL supports. The method I used is to reduce strafing amounts to a small amount, this allows the player to avoid long range shots but up close it is useless. My mod also includes sub-system targetting, thruster on/off and many more such features. Since it is there already, all players can use it. Once you get used to it then it becomes extremely helpful, especially when trying to dock with the cap ships and the most massive transports, just center on the dock and hit F3 and your in. Not trying to knock the vanilla servers but its there and can easily be used without you knowing it.
On mods that don’t support it natively, it should be considered cheating, umm, add it to your mod and stop the problem, plain and simple. Give the players the ability to set up their keys to use it.
Another use is going through asteroid fields, the 4 directional strafing can make a huge difference as to whether you are bouncing off of the rocks or gliding around them.
Just my 2 cents worth…
http://digitalbrilliance.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=281
BTW, rolling is bugged in FL and will cause rotation lockups at certain angles, this modification is not recommended.**
