Help needed with custom ship

Xarian_Prime

hehe… no worries

& yer… its quite amusing flying upside down & engines first, i’m pretty sure we’ve all done that during the first few attempts 8-)

so easy to forget to flip the ship just before export… few more things…

always center your 0
ship should face “you” in front view & down in topview

for .sur’s grab the “FLModelTool10ab6” to re-size any existing .sur (& ye ship as well if needed) or try “FL_Sur_Builder_0002” both good proggys and easy to use.

oh and… Paint.net is good to get a grasp on texture manipulation & exportation… but the mighty Gimp is vastly superior if your looking further at this task… but for simple conversion & export Paint is pretty awesome… just dont try anything fancy with .dds (alpha channels mainly) in Paint as it wont save the data right… that’s what gimps for

VNM51

I forgot to tell, when you export from ms3d to cmp the settings are:

orientation: back to front
model type: ship
scale down: 92 (default)
level of detail: level 0

heres a tutorial made by frozen, how to make custom hitboxes, you can see the proper ship orientations on the pics:
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=30770

post#2

adoxa

I’d suggest SurResizer to resize surs, FLMT doesn’t quite do it right. Updating FLMT is something else I’ve yet to get around to.

Scale_Boy

Xarian_Prime wrote:
hehe… no worries

& yer… its quite amusing flying upside down & engines first, i’m pretty sure we’ve all done that during the first few attempts 8-)

so easy to forget to flip the ship just before export… few more things…

always center your 0
ship should face “you” in front view & down in topview

for .sur’s grab the “FLModelTool10ab6” to re-size any existing .sur (& ye ship as well if needed) or try “FL_Sur_Builder_0002” both good proggys and easy to use.

oh and… Paint.net is good to get a grasp on texture manipulation & exportation… but the mighty Gimp is vastly superior if your looking further at this task… but for simple conversion & export Paint is pretty awesome… just dont try anything fancy with .dds (alpha channels mainly) in Paint as it wont save the data right… that’s what gimps for

been using model tool to resize…took a few attempts but i got it right in the end, ive been using paint for my textures saving as .tga and then converting using dds converter, that got annoying with the whole “cannot convert not a multiplier of two”, but i finally got a ship that works now even if it has got a shield thats on fire.

Scale_Boy

Davis wrote:
I forgot to tell, when you export from ms3d to cmp the settings are:

orientation: back to front
model type: ship
scale down: 92 (default)
level of detail: level 0

heres a tutorial made by frozen, how to make custom hitboxes, you can see the proper ship orientations on the pics:
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=30770

post#2

thanks for the link, looks like good stuff, ill start that soon.

i used the upside down orientation instead of back to front and the rest of default, i only put one group in as that part confused me but i don’t seem to have any side effects as of yet, so all is good.

Scale_Boy

adoxa wrote:
I’d suggest SurResizer to resize surs, FLMT doesn’t quite do it right. Updating FLMT is something else I’ve yet to get around to.

Ok ill use that instead, thanks

Quarks

Scale_Boy wrote:
i only put one group in as that part confused me but i don’t seem to have any side effects as of yet, so all is good.

Those part settings in the cmp-exporter have to do with components of the model (e.g. wings that con be blown off). If you export as a 1-part-model, the ship just is not able to blow up into pieces. If you want to export with multiple parts, you have to group your model in milkshape first.

StarTrader

Just for the record - sometime ago I imported the pilot model and a vanilla ship into MS3D and always make my new ships to the same scale as those. I often use the pilot to get the scale right if I’m not sure.

Then when I export I always set the scale to ‘1’ - but remember to SAVE Settings - if you don’t, then the export plugin has a bug and it will still scale the ship down to 1/92 even though the scale shows ‘1’!

Scale_Boy

StarTrader wrote:
Just for the record - sometime ago I imported the pilot model and a vanilla ship into MS3D and always make my new ships to the same scale as those. I often use the pilot to get the scale right if I’m not sure.

Then when I export I always set the scale to ‘1’ - but remember to SAVE Settings - if you don’t, then the export plugin has a bug and it will still scale the ship down to 1/92 even though the scale shows ‘1’!

I wondered why when I exported the model, it was so tiny, I got into a routine of resizing with the model tool, but knowing the bug with the plug in will save me time in the future. Thanks,

one quick question…. why is there like a flame coming from my ship shield hard point, ignore the massive gap between the hardpoints and the ship and the rubbish texture i haven’t finished yet, i just want to make a non buggy custom ship.

Scale_Boy

Quarks wrote:

Scale_Boy wrote:
i only put one group in as that part confused me but i don’t seem to have any side effects as of yet, so all is good.

Those part settings in the cmp-exporter have to do with components of the model (e.g. wings that con be blown off). If you export as a 1-part-model, the ship just is not able to blow up into pieces. If you want to export with multiple parts, you have to group your model in milkshape first.

Thanks, that clears up what I thought it did (although I wasn’t 100%)

I wish people who knew the stuff would add there knowledge to the modding handbook on this site so people don’t have to second guess everything, would help me learn a lot faster and with a lot less crashes

StarTrader

Scale_boy looks like you have a flame or engine or damage fuse effect attached to a hardpoint there?

Can you post your DATA\EQUIPMENT\goods.ini entry for the ship? And also the DATA\SHIPS\shiparch.ini entry for it too, then we may be able to help you spot the problem.

Xarian_Prime

Thats a fuse… 8-)
and probably b’cuse its set higher than the hitpoint value of the ship.

Fuses “kick in” at a certian points in the ships hull degradation, if set higher than the maximum hitpoints they will always play (same as setting it to -1) they can be altered by changing the last param in the shiparch block for instance…

fuse = intermed_damage_smallship01, 0.000000, 300
fuse = intermed_damage_smallship02, 0.000000, 150
fuse = intermed_damage_smallship03, 0.000000, 50

Should be nice for a ship with

hit_pts = 500

Scale_Boy

Xarian_Prime wrote:
Thats a fuse… 8-)
and probably b’cuse its set higher than the hitpoint value of the ship.

Fuses “kick in” at a certian points in the ships hull degradation, if set higher than the maximum hitpoints they will always play (same as setting it to -1) they can be altered by changing the last param in the shiparch block for instance…

fuse = intermed_damage_smallship01, 0.000000, 300
fuse = intermed_damage_smallship02, 0.000000, 150
fuse = intermed_damage_smallship03, 0.000000, 50

Should be nice for a ship with

hit_pts = 500

your right, mine was set to:

fuse = intermed_damage_smallship02, 0.000000, 525
fuse = intermed_damage_smallship03, 0.000000, 263

good explanation, but whats the 0.000000 for?

Scale_Boy

StarTrader wrote:
Scale_boy looks like you have a flame or engine or damage fuse effect attached to a hardpoint there?

Can you post your DATA\EQUIPMENT\goods.ini entry for the ship? And also the DATA\SHIPS\shiparch.ini entry for it too, then we may be able to help you spot the problem.

prime got it, was a fuse problem. Theres a copy of my whole script on page one of this thread.

thanks for the help anyway.