[The Starport News]Acquisition of an old domain
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Read this thread and i do not post as much as other Freelancer followers. If any “forum” aquires something good for Freelancer to improve Freelancer then what is the problem ? The problem is always the same posters saying there is hidden agendas stealing other posters and members of communitys. “HELLO” posters jump from community to community to gather information and expand there playing/ modding experience. I am a player not a modder or anything else just a player every step forward within the community is always followed with distrust and arguments “Grow Up” we are going forward not backwards. I will now depart to the just reading and enjoying learning about everything i can i suggest everyone can do the same.
(PS) Is there is a secret Starport mod in the pipeline sign me up
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Dave.Synk wrote:
I am aware of the “legendary” conflict between TSP and TLR and from my point of view this is intended to be a hit to the current TLR portal (at least half of the intention is to hit TLR). But again, It is not normal to have 2 TLR on the web. Imagine if the TSP had a clone with .org or whatever domain it could be, think about how the community would’ve felt when they see the clone created. All their work, all their efforts and so on. Just give it a picture. On a second note, about TLR.org activity. I need to say the contrary and not that I am part of TLR, but I daily watch it’s activity on the forums, registered members (again daily registered members), and even the gallery which is very up-to-date as well and should I say that TLR is working on it’s official mod ?. In my opinion OP tries very hard to maintain 2 very big FL networks which share a huge amount of resources for modding, and his job is being kept difficult because of some issues that happened long time ago. I respect you for what you achieved here, I really missed the old domain, since it was for me the source where I heard for the first time the word “mod” for a game. And think of the work put into the current TLR, I don’t want to create inflammatory topics because I know as I said before, the eternal conflict… and well no side want’s to make steps to a close collaboration.You know, TLR building an official TLR mod is also something I believe is wrong on many fronts. We dont create “official” Starport mods because that would get us in trouble sooner or later. Everybody gets the same support over here, no matter if you’re official or not.
No offense, but I’ve seen a big PR machinery behind Continuum largely done by Op. Now, apart from station models the mod doesnt have a lot to show for, however Op talks about it as if it already surpassed many “standard” mods (which are not “officially” supported).
If you think this all fine - ok. I guess then we are just having a different mentality over here.
Back to topic, I want to re-iterate: TLR.com will be nothing put a portal to Freelancer community sites. We wont build another TLR community because that would be silly.
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At least the intentions with the old domain are good. Because as I said and you’ve got my point, having 2 different domains doing the same job would look stupid. And regarding Continuum, OP put a hand to boost the mod. That isn’t a good thing ? PR is a good way to make your place into the big “arena” of the other mods. And when the PR is good the mod has bigger chances. And since Continuum is on a continuous development, thus it’s been shown the progress, doesn’t really matter if it’s done daily or monthly. And really there is no problem in having an official mod for each community from my perspective. Bigger communities, greater mods because of their resources and support. But that’s another topic do discuss about. Anyway I’m looking forward to see how the old domain will go further on. Good luck with it.
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Dave.Synk wrote:
At least the intentions with the old domain are good. Because as I said and you’ve got my point, having 2 different domains doing the same job would look stupid. And regarding Continuum, OP put a hand to boost the mod. That isn’t a good thing ? PR is a good way to make your place into the big “arena” of the other mods. And when the PR is good the mod has bigger chances. And since Continuum is on a continuous development, thus it’s been shown the progress, doesn’t really matter if it’s done daily or monthly. And really there is no problem in having an official mod for each community from my perspective. Bigger communities, greater mods because of their resources and support. But that’s another topic do discuss about. Anyway I’m looking forward to see how the old domain will go further on. Good luck with it.Thanks, and good luck with Continuum as well! Make sure to browse around here as well because otherwise you might miss some rather nice tools (i.e. the latest UTF editor).
Oh, and even if we dont agree with TLR’s way, you’re of course free to post news about Continuum! -
Dave.Synk wrote:
I am aware of the “legendary” conflict between TSP and TLR and from my point of view this is intended to be a hit to the current TLR portal (at least half of the intention is to hit TLR). But again, It is not normal to have 2 TLR on the web. Imagine if the TSP had a clone with .org or whatever domain it could be, think about how the community would’ve felt when they see the clone created. All their work, all their efforts and so on. Just give it a picture. On a second note, about TLR.org activity. I need to say the contrary and not that I am part of TLR, but I daily watch it’s activity on the forums, registered members (again daily registered members), and even the gallery which is very up-to-date as well and should I say that TLR is working on it’s official mod ?. In my opinion OP tries very hard to maintain 2 very big FL networks which share a huge amount of resources for modding, and his job is being kept difficult because of some issues that happened long time ago. I respect you for what you achieved here, I really missed the old domain, since it was for me the source where I heard for the first time the word “mod” for a game. And think of the work put into the current TLR, I don’t want to create inflammatory topics because I know as I said before, the eternal conflict… and well no side want’s to make steps to a close collaboration.Dave, simply I realised one thing
You responded more to my post than w0dka or FriendlyFire’s - which wasn’t intended 
I’ve edited to remove my post - so people don’t dwell on my opinion but instead w0dka/FF’s post - which is what matters.
I don’t see how .org can see .com as a threat, or competition. The way they’ve said it is going to be sounds ultimately fair, reasonable, and decent. By that I mean the purpose of .org is it’s own site (as most fl sites). The purpose of .com is anything but it’s own site. I hope those with a different opinion may see that in the future and therefore stop worrying
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Yep, as the third Admin here, and as FF and W0dk4 already iterated, we intend to use TLR.com for the good of the entire FL community regardless of beliefs or biases against mods/modders, etc.
If you want to post news, post it. If it doesn’t go up within a day, PM us. We will make this work for you guys and not the other way around.
As for news, any news is good news. If your server is throwing an event, post it here. If your server is celebrating, post it here. Use TLR.com as a greater stage for you to get information about your mod out.
Also, thank you everyone for the well wishes with this new endeavor.
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I am sure the old domain will be put in good use and rather ease the job of many modders around the FL communities, and well for the future of FL modding also. On a side note, I am not really interested into the many differences between these “sides”, because keeping an old game like FL active even today it’s … something ! And with these separations and arguments to each others brings no good not for the several individuals but for the entire FL community around the web. And I need to be honest that I am rather new to modding as this is my first experience as a 3D Modeller, and to be new to this whole new experience is really “hurting” to see people “under the same roof” arguing about … nonsense :D.
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Yep, agreed, Dave.
As a sidenote, I’ve seen some of your models and they look super promising! We have a model showroom that you’re more than welcome to post them in if you wish. It’s a great place to whet people’s appetite for pretty FL things.
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Dave.Synk wrote:
And I need to be honest that I am rather new to modding as this is my first experience as a 3D Modeller, and to be new to this whole new experience is really “hurting” to see people “under the same roof” arguing about … nonsense :D.Well, welcome to modelling - I can’t even model a brick
There are some good basic tuts out there (admittedly old) and lots of posts regarding modelling - across many sites. I hope you find resources that are useful, but as always, just ask away if you can’t, need help - or just want to thoughts, advice, or the sound of chatter As for the fall outs - it is mostly differences in personal opinions - how things are perceived and thought of - or jumping to conclusions about implications. Take things with a pinch of salt and form your own opinions based on evidence and you’ll be fine.
I’d just point out that here allows (within reason of taste!) anything to be discussed - which is why it often is incorrectly copping flak (in my opinion) as this evidently isn’t for everyone’s taste
Have fun
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I have a question. Probably it has been answered somewhere already but when you say that you use the lancersreactor.com domain for the benefit of ALL freelancers and their communities then why is it only linking to Starport and not to ALL of them?
Or was that just a slogan?
Right now I see no way that any other Freelancer community can take a benefit from it. Why don’t you fill your statement with truth by adding links to all the Freelancer communities? Maybe this would even calm down the situation between the sites.
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Darkstalker wrote:
I have a question. Probably it has been answered somewhere already but when you say that you use the lancersreactor.com domain for the benefit of ALL freelancers and their communities then why is it only linking to Starport and not to ALL of them?Or was that just a slogan?
Right now I see no way that any other Freelancer community can take a benefit from it. Why don’t you fill your statement with truth by adding links to all the Freelancer communities? Maybe this would even calm down the situation between the sites.
I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that this was a genuine mistake. On every single page at TSP we have the Freelancer Community Network where all servers, mods and clan are linked. This is also included on lancersreactor.com and far from “just a slogan”.
I took a screenshot for you in case you were unable to find it.
It takes one click to get that overlay to drop down.
And just to answer any other questions about the Freelancer Community Network, OP told us to remove SWAT from the site. So, that was his choice, not ours.
As for other ways modders can link their site from TLR.com, just put it in the news articles. We don’t ban communities extensions.
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That is an explanation but no real answer.
Ok there is this community bar and I can also understand why there are no links to lancersreactor.org or swat-portal.com.Those sites use a different community bar as they can not use yours, as from what I have understand your community bar does not fit the requirements of a site that supports more than one game. Since links on your bar are not allowed as long the other site does not host that bar itself these two communities are not allowed to join. The conclusion of that is that these communities do not even have the chance to be listed there.
Furthermore I have to ask myself why all other communities are hidden behind such a bar when Starport is able to put numerous links right at the top of the site. I also could link to all other sites by putting up a site with black fonts and black background and the only visible link would point to my own site.
I am sorry but in my eyes as long nothing changes this slogan is not true and the “cake is a lie”.
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Those sites use a different community bar as they can not use yours, as from what I have understand your community bar does not fit the requirements of a site that supports more than one game. Since links on your bar are not allowed as long the other site does not host that bar itself these two communities are not allowed to join. The conclusion of that is that these communities do not even have the chance to be listed there.
They use a different community bar because OP decided to create his own for SWAT and TLR. They can definitely use ours, he just decided not to use it.
As for the freelancer community bar, we did that to ensure that that the bar was equal for all. If you’re on one community and want to go to the next, it gives you that option. What’s the point of having a community bar if it was only a one way stop? If you see it otherwise, so be it.
Furthermore I have to ask myself why all other communities are hidden behind such a bar when Starport is able to put numerous links right at the top of the site. I also could link to all other sites by putting up a site with black fonts and black background and the only visible link would point to my own site.
Firstly, they’re very far from “hidden”. It’s on the top of the page. That’s as far from “hidden” as you can get. Furthermore, what you’re suggesting would look awful with the ridiculous amount of links. It would also be very overwhelming at first glance for new players.
Look, when we designed the page, we went for simplicity. What would new players want? They’d want a community bar where they could easily go from server to server if they so choose. They want to know how to get the game and where the downloads are. That was our design logic and if you see it as biased and treating all the other communities poorly, when its a news site for them, by them, so be it….
I am sorry but in my eyes as long nothing changes this slogan is not true and the “cake is a lie”.
OK.
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Darkstalker wrote:
That is an explanation but no real answer.
Ok there is this community bar and I can also understand why there are no links to lancersreactor.org or swat-portal.com.Those sites use a different community bar as they can not use yours, as from what I have understand your community bar does not fit the requirements of a site that supports more than one game. Since links on your bar are not allowed as long the other site does not host that bar itself these two communities are not allowed to join. The conclusion of that is that these communities do not even have the chance to be listed there.
Furthermore I have to ask myself why all other communities are hidden behind such a bar when Starport is able to put numerous links right at the top of the site. I also could link to all other sites by putting up a site with black fonts and black background and the only visible link would point to my own site.
I am sorry but in my eyes as long nothing changes this slogan is not true and the “cake is a lie”.
Hmm, I won’t answer the points you raise - mainly as they’re already answered in the above posts (so maybe they need further clarification) - but also they’re best positioned to deal with it too. I also don’t understand your penultimate paragraph either… not sure what it is supposed to mean. However, it is nice to be able to ask questions, discuss and more about these issues
But I’ll point out one thing - regarding all community bars.
The community bars are great as long as the person has Javascript enabled. That goes for any community featuring bars. I can’t tell if Swat-portal or lancersreactor.org works without javascript, as currently they’re not even working with it - which is weird as they did before.
If javascript is deactivated on the browser, then they know nothing about other sites at all. Is there a way to output via php the links within a “no script” tag? Just a thought
edit Ah, i understand better what your last paragraph meant once “him above” answered it
I must admit, I thought Op had asked directly for his sites to be removed from the community bar, but I’m old and memory fails -
The bottom line to me is that there’s no reason I can fathom that should prevent anyone in the community making full use of all sites and resources available to them, especially if the reason for not doing so is a bit of drama or he said she said.
Similarly, there’s no reason for any community to block mention of or links to another, if they do that then it’s obvious to me that they don’t have the community in mind. As far as OP goes, it’s a case of “do as i say, not as i do”. Talk about the greater good of the community and then for personal reasons block any mention of a site that holds a wealth of modding information and tools, plus some very talented individuals that might just hold answers to important questions they have.
People should have the option and the common sense to explore both communities and make their own mind up, rather than relying on the opinion of others.
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OK
Does your community bar support links to various games?
If the answer is no then communities such as swat-portal.com and lancersreactor.org have no other choice than using their own bar. It is not matter of their decision it is matter of their needs.I am running a small site and a wiki for Freelancer. I am not able and not allowed to put something like that bar onto my sites. Thus eventhough I am part of the Freelancer community I can make use of any promised benefits.
The slogan should better be “All Freelancers exclusive sites which fulfill our rules and use our software instead of their own might be able to take limited benefit if someone finds the link”.
That excludes a very large part of the Freelancer community.The cake is a lie and Freelancer sites out there are not granted the right to take benefit at all.
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Darkstalker wrote:
I am running a small site and a wiki for Freelancer. I am not able and not allowed to put something like that bar onto my sites. Thus eventhough I am part of the Freelancer community I can make use of any promised benefits.Why are you not able, or allowed, to put the community bar on your site? You say you’re not, but don’t say why? :-? I mean it doesn’t sound strict to me:
To add your own site, you must have the Freelancer Community Network bar installed on your website.
It would be nice to have the network bar on any of your pages, but only displaying it on some sort of entry page is also sufficient. Note however that the linked site should not be a placeholder to only draw visitors to your site. The linked site should be frequented by your general page visitors as well!To benefit from the bar you must display the bar. I’m unsure why this is incredibly unfair or selective… especially when it does say:
You are obviously free to change the code to better fit in your webpage. It would also be wise to put the CSS stylesheet into the header of your website. For simplicity I put it directly next to the body code and so far it seems to work correctly with all browsers.
p.s. Unsure why Lancersreactor.org can’t show the bar. They’re not multi-game are they (technically you could argue Starlancer is a second, but how many game sites for Starlancer are there on the bar? - I can’t get their bar to work in FF or Chrome so dunno
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Being a firefox user I never realised TLR.org had a bar! I just fired up IE and there it was. How many people by percentage have chrome or FF and cant see it?
oh, and surely Starlancer sites should be listed here as well being in the same universe just a different time, just a thought.
