Constructive criticism is good, sabotage is bad

I just noticed the same happened to my mod Itano Circus on moddb. I had an ~8.2 with some 6-8 votes. Now my vote count reads 12, and its dropped down to 6.5.

Also yes, [insert Forsaken’s original rant].

I totally agree with what Forsaken said.

[Edit] Oh snap, 88 flak posts. Screencap!

It looks pretty obvious these are again PR measures for the Crossfire mod.

http://www.moddb.com/games/freelancer

Look at the last 2 comments on the bottom of the page.
Both users say, Crossfire is awesome, they voted each others post +1 and both users have been created today. (you can check that by looking at the time-online and site visits entries in their user profiles)

While I dont want to start a fight here, it really offends me that we are still not beyond such behaviour.

Oh, FWs was 9.0 last night with 42 votes. We got 8 new votes today, we’re now at 8.1. Pretty sad. That means a majority were 0’s…lol.

Pathetic, really.

It’s in those times that I like not to have released anything yet… Can’t get downrated for no reason.

Indeed, actions like these are completely pathetic and should not happen in any respectable community.

Whilst I feel for those affected here, I really do. It is unfair to all involved, and the time they have taken to create thier Mods, I want to ask that NO ONE lowers themselves to do the same out of spite.

We need to show that we are above this sort of behaviour and that the majority of the Freelancer Community respect and value each others work and opinions. Those in the minority will soon dwindle away.

Ya, I don’t get it, really. We’re trying to keep this small player community alive and something like this happens? Ah, well. Shit happens. We all know our mods aren’t worth those 0’s so whateves

Meh, drama’s
Anyone thought - maybe those 4 folks were retards? and couldn’t activate it, or got crashes on loading (saved games from another mod perhaps?)

The only thing strange is that they don’t leave a comment to rant about it being “bad” (in their viewpoint).
People love to complain and tell people things are crap, but only if they exist! When it’s simply vote manipulation, they won’t bother.
However, it has to be said, vote rigging goes on everywhere - on both sides (ie getting friends to bolster votes to increase ranks in, well, mod rankings etc).

It’s all swings and roundabouts, as long as people play and enjoy - who cares what nay-sayers think? Just give it a good description and people will try it anyway

I believe that some of the people that vote have never even looked at the mod. I know last year there were a lot of votes cast that were zero because of the Mod Awards that happen every year (There here again). This also holds true when they comment on something that is not even a feature of the mod (i.e. Example, I get tons of comments to make my mod SP compatible, which I won’t do). There will always be morons out there that try to cast any mod into the dumpster because they don’t like you or they’ve been banned from the server.

Indeed Crossfire is doing PR work but that is limited to updating the moddb site with pics, videos and new content, posting news and sending out newsletters (including calls on my forum to vote for all FL mods).

The rating for Crossfire was over 9 and dropped to 8,8 (maybe not such a big difference that other mods experience but thats explainable by the amount of votes that already existed).

MOTY are a free vote and eventhough Freelancer is a very old game the FL mods have many visitors and very high rankings. Based on the visitor count many mods belong to the top100, some to the top20 and the mod ratings are pretty good compared to many others. There are about 4700 possibilities where those “negative” votes came from.

To say that it is unfair to vote for a mod without knowing it might be true but on the other side the votes are free and the visitors are allowed to vote for any reason. They can vote if they dont like the game. They can vote because they dont like the genre. They can vote because they dont like the mod presentation or the pics on those sites. And they can vote because they dont like our nose.

Its their decision and unfortunatly thats how it is working and to be honest I care more about the MOTY votes than about the ratings atm. In the end we should not forget that a top100 ranking on the MOTY is a better ad than all the ratings on the FL mods together.

Right now there is much more activity at Moddb than in the months before and the chances to catch negative votes is much higher aswell. I personally have learned to care more for the ppl which give positive comments than for those which only have to rant and i guess i will ill do the same with the rating.

Edit: Oh and the MOTY rules say that votes are getting checked and fake votes get removed (just in case that someone is doing fake votes)

The world has too many narrow-minded, petty tools.

Unfortunately, this isn’t just an issue that we face with ModDB. These days, I think if you go to any site that offers voting systems or the ability to leave a quick comment, people will ‘take sides’. The consoles and how their ‘fanboys’ react is a perfect example of why this issue is a mainstream issue.

At the end of the day, some people treat the Internet like they were back at school - like a popularity contest.

Honestly, I wonder how sad these people are. What sort of jollies do you get for giving something a low score. Chances are, said voters are incapable of even contributing a morsel of what those who have done the work have accomplished. They probably feel ‘big’, hidden behind their computer screen and can say what they like. At the same time, I bet if these guys were to be in front of those why were badmouthing, they would say nothing!

It is such a shame there isn’t a Internet-wide mute button for people like that.

there are people in this world who are jelious of other peoples talent or theyre personality. theyre are people in this world who are going to love you or hate you. i just say if you can do a better job than me the tools are out there download them and lets see what you can do. i am a man who knows his limits i put something out there. you like it great play it you dont you dont. my life still goes on my bills have to get paid thats it. i personally gave everybodys mod a good vote cause you all are better at it than me. have a nice day ;D

…. oh my … down from “10.0” to “6.2”
That’s almost funny.

From our forum:

…. ……
some silly people seem 2 have voted a “0” on most of the mods
as 2 read @ The-Starport and we are down on a “6.2”.

Maybe ‘inspired’ by the very well done
“[ur=http://www.moddb.com/games/freelancerl]Save Freelancer Petition”
by darthmop1.
Check the comments mentioned by w0dk4 at the Starport
and all player please

• give us your vote http://www.moddb.com/mods/wts-world-ccn
• feel free 2 comment that behaviour especially @ moddb
• stay away from negative votes for Crossfire,
  cause it’s a nice mod and i m sure that’s not caused by OPR8D or the Crossfire team.

…… what can can i say:
Better silly votes on the WWWW, than they go to their school and shoot people.

We shouldn’t seriously expect, that everyone with internet access is nice.
And i also think, that being ‘not so nice’ requires a reaction,
if a certain level is reached.

[soapbox]

Okay, I decided to spin this our way a bit. I’ve made reply comments on the recent band of idiots that thought it would be fun to make new accounts and bash other FL mods.  I don’t know where they’re from, nor do I really care. I think what they’ve done is pretty deplorable and we shouldn’t have to sit by and watch this happen.  I’ve also made a post here: http://www.moddb.com/games/freelancer/#503137

I urge all developers, particularly within this community, to make a comment there.  We need to stick together folks, or FL will fade quicker than it already is. Â

[/soapbox]

Nice one Sushi.
;D

Ya, I have my moments

Speaking of idiots and mod bashing, i’ve had my fair share of this over the last few months.

I mistakenly accused another developer (BSG Venom - Galactica Dawn of War) of causing disruptions on my server who i have now apologised to over the incident as it turned out it wasn’t him. It was someone else on this forum that was the guilty party.

It’s bad enough crap like this goes on, and you get random people bothering to give other people a hard time, because they’re either jealous, are just untalented idiots with an axe to grind, or simply have nothing better to do.

Some people love bringing other people down, what upsets me is when they are members of this forum as was the case with me and the goings on on moddb and my server.

Richard has been helping me out with the development of my Phoenix mod and has been very supportive, and believe me i appreciate the input. It’s frustrating when i see a fellow modder given a hard time by random idiots who know nothing about the time and effort involved in what most of us all do here.

It’s a hobby firstly, but a lot of us run servers as well and put a lot of effort into keeping our respective communities alive. Some people clearly don’t appreciate this which is why i’ve grown a thick skin  regarding certain people as life is too short and let’s face it, we are talking about a game after all.

There are some people however……

I really dont understand why this “crap” happens in FL… I’ve seen this year after year… and now it seems… there’s a whole bevy of “punks” out there who think becuase the games a few years old that they can get away with Cheating, Hacking, and any other antisocial FL “practice” they can getaway with… this is just the “escalation” … these kids were never taught “edicate” (nor i to spell lol)… and see the web as a “big smackdown” a place to hack on each other… post fights… and be generaly obnoxious to all… We unfortunaly have to put or hard work and “love” out there to be used like a old punching bag by these fools… and they are fools… and this is a perfect example of why im going “underground” for the next 6 months to finish mine… no modDB… i’ve never trusted that site or gleamed any “real” info from them… and this is why (the same thing happens alot with HL2 mods too guys… alot!!) you won’t be seing XLR as a “contender”… ever… on Mod DB or up against u lot … I love this community too much to get into the whole “who’s gota better mod” thing… there all darn great!!
and i’ll never condone anything like this from any of my players… its just plain foul

I feel sick now… and have to throw up… Dam and i woke in such a good mood too…

Bullies have always existed, electronic media gives them an even “safer” way to ply their trade.

Can anyone give me the link so I can see mod vote scores? Can’t seem to find anything but top 5 and latest, but not the scores others have referred to.

CF is down to 8.7 with totally 129 votes now so i assume that the crap rating is not over yet

the MOTY scores are not published except the top5 … moddb didnt even release the top100 ranking of MOTY 2007 (just which mods managed to be in the top100 but not the position or the number of votes)

based on the MOTY voting system where old members have more influence then short term members or guests the number of votes does not really matter but the quality of the vote does