Missions… Missions...

FuryFreelancer

That’s not what I meant. I know it won’t show at all without any ships That’s kinda obvious. I will do the substitution of other ships though. I’m sure the fighter naming is fine. After all, that’s all it is, a name.

In my faction prop file, I now have it set for various levels, not just 18 & 19, or whatever I have displayed above. And they will only be used in higher level missions anyway, which is set via mbases and the diff-to-money entries, so i’m sure i’ll be covered in that respect. As I understand it, encounters are set via the actual zone entries, while missions are set in mbases, either at the MVendor or a base faction NPC line. So even if I didn’t have a certain Dxx number defined (many mods just have the one difficulty of ship right?) and so it would just pick the closest match and alter the difficulty regardless of the assigned number.

In my encounters file, I have updated the fighter line(s) to be -1 behind the leader. That makes sense. So whatever difficulty he comes in at, they will be slightly less; For what little difference that may make at high levels anyway

I’m getting there. I think i’m really starting to understand the workings of these, and what lines actually seem to have no effect whatsoever. Nothing like superfluity to confuse your day huh! ;D Thanks for the input bud.

Forsaken

Mknote’s fix is essential for missions to work.

npc_class = unlawful, FIGHTER, d17, d18, d19 <–- Bad

npc_class = unlawful, class_fighter, d17, d18, d19 <–- Good

Also you need to have an encounter zone or overlapping zones consisting of opposing factions. I looked at your code you posted and didn’t see this (you might not have included it). Here is a suggested replacement for testing purposes

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_Ew05_pop_ambient_01
pos = -178, 0, 178
rotate = 0, 0, 0
shape = SPHERE
size = 44707
comment = Ambient Pop
sort = 51
toughness = 19
density = 15
repop_time = 25
max_battle_size = 8
pop_type = Background
relief_time = 35
population_additive = false
faction_weight = new_n_grp, 20
faction_weight = nm_or_grp, 13
encounter = area_nomads, 19, 0.600000
faction = new_n_grp, 1.000000
encounter = area_defend, 19, 0.400000
faction = nm_or_grp, 1.000000

Ive highlighted all changes or additions in red, for viewing purposes.

If you are not getting mission offerings. You need to look at the distance your mission vignettes are from the base. IIRC mission vignettes can only be 40k away from the nearest, jump gate, jump hole, trade lane, path, or base. If you have met all of those requirements I am a bit stumped (unless its one of those brain fart things where you forgot to make them enemies in the initialworld/empathy files). If you did something like that… dont worry about it… it happens to the best of us. ;D

I hope you find your fix. Please post your results when you get a chance to test them out.

FuryFreelancer

The class_fighter fixed it straight away.

I only have the one encounter… the nomads/enemy. I don’t have any order ships in space, so obviously that isn’t needed despite what you are saying there (and other tuts). That’s handy to know If you read my initial snippets above, you would have also seen I had the toughness set in the encounter zone, but that is pointless because it gets overridden by the mission difficulty

Just before I got mknotes suggestion, a friend (Psy) typed me out the most lengthy FL tut I have ever read and sent it to me, lol. Covering all bases I guess, as it ranges from doing a new faction to this mission stuff. I’ll post it later after reading through it fully

Thanks a lot for the response Forsaken ;D

Bejaymac

Forsaken is quite correct in that you DO need both factions in the zone.
You’ve done what most noobs do, and that’s why I ROFLMFAO in my other post.
Read a mission description and you wll see that most of the time the mission sends backup NPCs to help out, but if that faction is missing from the zones the vignettes feed from, then your backup will never appear.

FuryFreelancer

The missions do work. Stop trying ways to cover up what has been said. He said missions won’t work without another allied faction, and they do. And I just tried it. Whether they have an entry or not backup does appear… although it tends to only be the one or two ships and not a full ‘wing’ No doubt that is wrong, and so I will indeed a proper encounter in for them. But it does work none-the-less. And I never said he was wrong. You haven’t given one ounce of decent, useful input here BJ, whereas the others have, and that’s all that matters. Your user title says it quite well.

I thought the whole point of forums like this (or at least certain sections) are there to assist people like me, who admitedlly, aren’t as knowledgeable as a lot of you. That’s why I come here. All the help so far has been great. I don’t expect to be bashed, and I shouldn’t have to and won’t put up with that. All you give me is attitude. You didn’t help me before after I started this thread, throwing out offense, and then you do it again ‘after’ I have found the solution at the end of this thread. If you know so much as you claim why didn’t you suggest what Mknote and Psy did? That sorted me out. If some of you think I simply ‘shrug’ off help, that is simply not the case. I do test out theories of my own as well as test what people ask me to do. And if I find something to work (or not) in practice I will say so. And I sure as hell won’t be penalized for it.

mknote

Hey, calm down Fury (hmm, seems a bit ironic, saying that). We’re all friends here.

As to the statement, my experimentation tends to agree with Forsaken and BJ, though the fact that you’ve managed to get friendly ships in your missions seems to throw a monkey wrench into our conclusion. Could you send me the full system .ini (e-mail is in my profile)? I’d be interested to see what’s different.

MK

Forsaken

This isn’t directed at Fury really…

This png picture should help people with common mission problems. Missions are not rocket science don’t let them scare you or get frustrated. However they have caused every modder problems at one time or another. Here is a basic overview of the things that cause newer modders problems (including Nomad/Order missions).

FuryFreelancer

For sure ;D My ambient zone covers the whole system, so i’m ok for vignette coverage hehe

FuryFreelancer

These are the things I have discovered ‘on-the-side’ while working on this, as I always experiment, and actually hate following tutorials (no offence to the authors… I’ve needed to follow some of course)… I tested these quite extensively, so it might be some help to others in the future, and to let certain people know that what they believe so highly in is flawed

It doesn’t matter if empathy.ini is showing wierd rep changes so long as the factions are in there
Fighter needs to be ‘class_fighter’ or similar (thanks Psy / Mk)
There isn’t a requirement to have all difficulties of ship ranging from D1 to Dhigh at all
In a system ambient pop zone, the system name in it is a convention, not a requirement - thanks Psy
Sort has no effect; Toughness has no effect; Pop-type has no effect (left in to be safe though) - thanks Psy)
An opposing faction isn’t needed for missions to work, but you may only get the 1 ship as support as a result
The randommission level(s) is set via the values in mbases following the: “mission_type =” line
The values are taking from along the diff2money scale, and directly tie in with mission payout
These ‘values’ do not need to be exactly what is written there, and can be varied, and far apart
For ‘standard’ lawful missions, this: “mission_type = unlawful, lawful” isn’t required - thanks DwnUndr
I’ve had missions working the other way round without: “mission_type = lawful, unlawful”, but this needs more testing
population_additive works great if used properly in with other zones, despite popular opinion of it ‘crashing’
Like most, I use FLE only for positioning, but I have never had it screw up mbases like some claim
Mod backups are bloody fantastic!!!

Cheers.

StarTrader

Hi guys. This is very enlightening, thanks to all for laying it out clearly and good findings all round.

Don’t mind BJ too much, he’s always been like this but does know volumes - just doesn’t know how to lay it out gently for others who are wasting so much of their time.

One associated mission generating problem I have encountered often is the warning messages in FL Spew (FL Spit) of “get_zone(xx) failed”:-

WARNING: get_zone(38) failed
WARNING: get_zone(38) failed
WARNING: get_zone(38) failed

Can anyone throw light on this please? Again there are more vignette zones than the mission limits, and all are within 30k of the base. Darned annoying, any help is appreciated.

Mindhunter

@Bejaymac:

Forsaken is quite correct in that you DO need both factions in the zone.
You’ve done what most noobs do, and that’s why I ROFLMFAO in my other post.
Read a mission description and you wll see that most of the time the mission sends backup NPCs to help out, but if that faction is missing from the zones the vignettes feed from, then your backup will never appear.

Well I’ve read the whole threat now and what u say is not correct, while is was testing where my bug is in Earth i changed the base faction from nu_tauri_grp to fc_or_grp and that faction has nothing else that the base in earth and still offers missions against goaulds and does also send backup to the second waypoint.

StarTrader

@StarTrader:

WARNING: get_zone(xx) failed

This is now fixed…
http://forums.seriouszone.com/showthread.php?t=57767

robocop

Missions just won’t show up.
I’m sure it’s something simple, it usually is…

Using vanilla fc_or_grp vs. fc_n_grp but missions just won’t show up on Planet Toledo

From npcships.ini

[NPCShipArch]
nickname = fc_n_no_fighter_d19
loadout = no_fighter_loadout02
level = d19
ship_archetype = no_fighter
pilot = MSN13_Nomad_Fighter
state_graph = FIGHTER
npc_class = unlawful, class_fighter, d1, d2, d3, d4, d5, d6, d7, d8, d9, d10, d11, d12, d13, d14, d15, 16, d17, d18, d19

[NPCShipArch]
nickname = fc_or_elite2_d18
loadout = fc_or_elite2_loadout
level = d18
ship_archetype = or_elite_msn01
pilot = pilot_order_ace
state_graph = FIGHTER
npc_class = unlawful, class_fighter, d18

[NPCShipArch]
nickname = fc_or_elite2_d19
loadout = fc_or_elite2_loadout
level = d19
ship_archetype = or_elite_msn01
pilot = pilot_order_ace
state_graph = FIGHTER
npc_class = unlawful, class_fighter, d19

From faction_prop.ini

[FactionProps]
affiliation = fc_or_grp
legality = unlawful
nickname_plurality = singular
msg_id_prefix = gcs_refer_faction_fc_or
jump_preference = jumphole
npc_ship = fc_or_elite2_d18
npc_ship = fc_or_elite2_d19
voice = pilot_f_ill_m01
voice = pilot_f_ill_m02
mc_costume = mc_fc
space_costume = pi_pirate1_head, pi_orillion_body, comm_br_guard
space_costume = pi_pirate4_head, pi_orillion_body, comm_rh_alaric
space_costume = sh_male4_head, pi_orillion_body, comm_br_guard
space_costume = ge_male2_head, pi_orillion_body, comm_rh_alaric
space_costume = ge_male4_head, pi_orillion_body, comm_br_guard
space_costume = ge_male1_head, pi_orillion_body, comm_rh_alaric
firstname_male = 226608, 226741
lastname = 227008, 227307
rank_desig = 197128, 197129, 197130, 10, 15
formation_desig = 197808, 197820
formation = fighters, fighter_basic
formation = freighters, freighter_basic
formation = freighters2, freighter2_basic

[FactionProps]
affiliation = fc_n_grp
legality = unlawful
nickname_plurality = plural
msg_id_prefix = ignore
jump_preference = jumpgate
npc_ship = MSN13_Nomad_Fighter_Populator
npc_ship = fc_n_no_fighter_d19
mc_costume = mc_fc
firstname_male = 229608, 229608
firstname_female = 229608, 229608
lastname = 229608, 229608
rank_desig = 197140, 197140, 197140, 10, 15
formation_desig = 197808, 197820
formation = fighters, fighter_guild

From area_nomads.ini

[EncounterFormation]
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fighters
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 5, 5, sc_fighters
pilot_job = assault_job
make_class = wanderer
formation_by_class = fighters
behavior = wander
arrival = cruise
allow_simultaneous_creation = yes
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[Creation]
permutation = 0, 3

From empathy.ini

[RepChangeEffects]
group = fc_n_grp
empathy_rate = fc_or_grp, -0.9

and

[RepChangeEffects]
group = fc_or_grp
empathy_rate = fc_n_grp, -0.9

From mbases.ini

[MBase]
nickname = St01_01_Base
local_faction = fc_or_grp
diff = 19

[MVendor]
num_offers = 5, 10

[BaseFaction]
faction = fc_or_grp
weight = 80
offers_missions = true
mission_type = DestroyMission, 28.478239, 90.112387, 70
npc = st0101_order_001_m
npc = st0101_order_002_m
npc = st0101_order_003_m
npc = st0101_order_004_m

[BaseFaction]
faction = gd_bh_grp
weight = 20
offers_missions = true
mission_type = DestroyMission, 28.478239, 90.112387, 30
npc = st0101_bounty_001_f
npc = st0101_bounty_002_m

[GF_NPC]
nickname = st0101_fix_bartender
body = pi_orillion_body
head = ge_male3_head
lefthand = benchmark_male_hand_left
righthand = benchmark_male_hand_right
individual_name = 245154
affiliation = fc_or_grp
voice = rvp111

[GF_NPC]
nickname = st0101_fix_ship
body = pi_orillion_body
head = ge_male2_head
lefthand = benchmark_male_hand_left
righthand = benchmark_male_hand_right
individual_name = 245157
affiliation = fc_or_grp
voice = rvp101

[GF_NPC]
nickname = st0101_fix_weaponsdealer
body = pi_orillion_body
head = ge_male4_head
lefthand = benchmark_male_hand_left
righthand = benchmark_male_hand_right
individual_name = 245156
affiliation = fc_or_grp
voice = rvp101

[GF_NPC]
nickname = st0101_fix_trader
body = pi_orillion_body
head = pl_male1_head
lefthand = benchmark_male_hand_left
righthand = benchmark_male_hand_right
individual_name = 221014
affiliation = fc_or_grp
voice = rvp101

[GF_NPC]
nickname = st0101_bounty_001_f
body = pl_female2_journeyman_body
head = ge_female1_head
lefthand = benchmark_female_hand_left
righthand = benchmark_female_hand_right
individual_name = 220251
affiliation = gd_bh_grp
voice = rvp501
misn = DestroyMission, 0.082100, 0.205130
room = bar
bribe = li_p_grp, 10000, 16100
bribe = co_alg_grp, 10000, 16100
bribe = co_rs_grp, 10000, 16100
bribe = co_ss_grp, 10000, 16100
bribe = gd_bh_grp, 10000, 16101
rumor = base_0_rank, mission_end, 2, 132134
rumorknowdb = li04_04
rumor = base_0_rank, mission_end, 2, 132135
rumor = base_0_rank, mission_end, 2, 132136
rumor = base_0_rank, mission_end, 1, 132137
rumor = base_0_rank, mission_end, 1, 132138
rumor = base_0_rank, mission_end, 2, 132139
rumor_type2 = mission_02_loaded, freetime_02_03, 1, 393584
rumor_type2 = freetime_03_04, mission_04_loaded, 1, 393594
rumor_type2 = freetime_03_04, mission_04_accepted, 1, 393600
rumor_type2 = mission_04_loaded, mission_04_accepted, 1, 393603
rumor_type2 = mission_04_loaded, mission_04_accepted, 1, 393604
rumor_type2 = mission_04_loaded, mission_04_accepted, 1, 393605
rumor_type2 = mission_03_loaded, mission_04_accepted, 1, 393606
rumor_type2 = freetime_03_04, mission_04_accepted, 1, 393607
rumor_type2 = base_0_rank, mission_04_loaded, 1, 393469
know = 251632, 252617, 8000, 2
knowdb = li04_to_iw02_hole

[GF_NPC]
nickname = st0101_bounty_002_m
body = sh_male2_body
head = br_sales_head
lefthand = benchmark_male_hand_left
righthand = benchmark_male_hand_right
individual_name = 220252
affiliation = gd_bh_grp
voice = rvp111
misn = DestroyMission, 0.082100, 0.205130
room = bar
bribe = li_p_grp, 10000, 16100
bribe = co_me_grp, 10000, 16100
bribe = co_ni_grp, 10000, 16100
bribe = gd_bh_grp, 10000, 16101
rumor = base_0_rank, mission_end, 2, 132134
rumorknowdb = li04_04
rumor = base_0_rank, mission_end, 2, 132135
rumor = base_0_rank, mission_end, 2, 132136
rumor = base_0_rank, mission_end, 1, 132137
rumor = base_0_rank, mission_end, 1, 132138
rumor = base_0_rank, mission_end, 2, 132139
rumor_type2 = mission_02_loaded, freetime_02_03, 1, 393584
rumor_type2 = freetime_03_04, mission_04_loaded, 1, 393594
rumor_type2 = freetime_03_04, mission_04_accepted, 1, 393600
rumor_type2 = mission_04_loaded, mission_04_accepted, 1, 393603
rumor_type2 = mission_04_loaded, mission_04_accepted, 1, 393604
rumor_type2 = mission_04_loaded, mission_04_accepted, 1, 393605
rumor_type2 = mission_03_loaded, mission_04_accepted, 1, 393606
rumor_type2 = freetime_03_04, mission_04_accepted, 1, 393607
rumor_type2 = base_0_rank, mission_04_loaded, 1, 393470
accessory = prop_neuralnet_B

[GF_NPC]
nickname = st0101_order_001_m
body = pi_orillion_body
head = pl_male1_head
lefthand = benchmark_male_hand_left
righthand = benchmark_male_hand_right
individual_name = 221014
affiliation = fc_or_grp
voice = rvp111
room = bar

[GF_NPC]
nickname = st0101_order_002_m
body = pi_orillion_body
head = pl_male2_head
lefthand = benchmark_male_hand_left
righthand = benchmark_male_hand_right
individual_name = 221015
affiliation = fc_or_grp
voice = rvp140
room = bar

[GF_NPC]
nickname = st0101_order_003_m
body = pi_orillion_body
head = rh_captain_head
lefthand = benchmark_male_hand_left
righthand = benchmark_male_hand_right
individual_name = 221016
affiliation = fc_or_grp
voice = rvp111
room = bar

[GF_NPC]
nickname = st0101_order_004_m
body = pi_orillion_body
head = sh_male3_head
lefthand = benchmark_male_hand_left
righthand = benchmark_male_hand_right
individual_name = 221017
affiliation = fc_or_grp
voice = rvp140
room = bar

and the whole st01.ini file

[SystemInfo]
space_color = 0, 0, 0
local_faction = fc_or_grp

[EncounterParameters]
nickname = area_trade_freighter
filename = missions\encounters\area_trade_freighter.ini

[EncounterParameters]
nickname = area_scout
filename = missions\encounters\area_scout.ini

[EncounterParameters]
nickname = area_defend
filename = missions\encounters\area_defend.ini

[EncounterParameters]
nickname = area_nomads
filename = missions\encounters\area_nomads.ini

[TexturePanels]
file = universe\heavens\shapes.ini

[Music]
space = music_omicron_space
danger = music_omicron_danger
battle = music_omicron_battle

[Dust]
spacedust = Dust

[Archetype]
ship = no_fighter
ship = no_gunboat
ship = or_elite
solar = d_n_battleship
solar = o_osiris

[Asteroids]
file = solar\asteroids\St01_nomad_asteroids.ini
zone = Zone_St01_edge_nebula

[Asteroids]
file = solar\asteroids\St01_mine_field.ini
zone = Zone_St01_to_St04_hole_minefield

[Nebula]
file = solar\nebula\St01_edge_nebula.ini
zone = Zone_St01_edge_nebula

[Ambient]
color = 60, 90, 70

[Object]
nickname = St01_sun
pos = 70523, 30000, -62152
Archetype = sun_1000
star = St01_yellow_sun

[LightSource]
nickname = St01_system_light
pos = 52571, 30000, -18588
color = 225, 220, 60
range = 100000
type = DIRECTIONAL
atten_curve = DYNAMIC_DIRECTION

[Object]
nickname = St01_01_Base
ids_name = 196842
pos = -589, 0, -2712
Archetype = planet_icemntcld_2000
ids_info = 65809
spin = 0, 0.01, 0
atmosphere_range = 2150
burn_color = 255, 222, 160
Base = St01_01_Base
reputation = fc_or_grp

[Object]
nickname = St01_dock_ring_1
ids_name = 458775
pos = 1500, 0, -2191
rotate = 0, 75, 0
Archetype = dock_ring
loadout = docking_ring
dock_with = St01_01_Base
ids_info = 66141
reputation = fc_or_grp

[zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_01_exclusion
pos = 2154, 0, -1879
shape = SPHERE
size = 8000
property_flags = 65536
property_fog_color = 40, 85, 70
edge_fraction = 0.2

[Object]
nickname = St01_to_St02_hole
pos = -5027, 0, -18614
rotate = 0, -175, 0
Archetype = jumphole
jump_effect = jump_effect_hole
goto = St02, St02_to_St01_hole, gate_tunnel_bretonia

[Object]
nickname = Alien_Jumpgate
pos = 40773, 0, -12339
rotate = 0, 90, 0
Archetype = nomad_gate
ids_name = 261793
ids_info = 66146
behavior = NOTHING
visit = 0

;[Object]
;nickname = St01_to_St04_hole
;ids_name = 458969
;pos = 40751, 20, -12276
;ids_info = 66146
;msg_id_prefix = gcs_refer_system_new_system
;jump_effect = jump_effect_hole
;visit = 0
;archetype = jumphole_green
;goto = St04, St04_to_St01_hole, gate_tunnel_bretonia

[zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_to_St04_hole_exclusion
pos = 41116, 0, -12528
shape = SPHERE
size = 7500
property_flags = 65536
property_fog_color = 40, 85, 70
edge_fraction = 0.1
encounter = area_nomads, 19, 0.6
faction = fc_n_grp, 1

[zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_to_St04_hole_asteroid_exclusion
pos = 41070, 0, -12594
shape = SPHERE
size = 9000
property_flags = 131072
encounter = area_nomads, 19, 0.6
faction = fc_n_grp, 1

[zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_to_St04_hole_minefield
ids_name = 458977
pos = 41116, 0, -12528
shape = ELLIPSOID
size = 10000, 10000, 15000
interference = 0.5
property_flags = 4128
Music = zone_field_mine
ids_info = 66000
visit = 32
sort = 99
encounter = area_nomads, 19, 0.6
faction = fc_n_grp, 1

[zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_to_St04_hole_minefield_lane_access
pos = 34335, 0, -9925
rotate = 0, -70, 0
shape = BOX
size = 2500, 1250, 18000
property_flags = 131072
sort = 99
encounter = area_nomads, 19, 0.2
faction = fc_n_grp, 1

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_to_Ew02_hole
pos = -7782, 10000, 42418
shape = SPHERE
size = 4000
interference = 0.5
property_flags = 131072
visit = 128
sort = 99
toughness = 19
density = 9
repop_time = 10
max_battle_size = 4
pop_type = wormhole
relief_time = 15
density_restriction = 4, lawfuls
encounter = area_defend, 19, 0.3
faction = fc_ou_grp, 1
encounter = area_scout, 19, 0.3
faction = fc_ou_grp, 0.7
faction = fc_or_grp, 0.3
encounter = area_trade_freighter, 19, 0.4
faction = fc_ou_grp, 1

[Object]
nickname = St01_to_Ew02_hole
ids_name = 458831
pos = -7782, 0, 42418
rotate = 0, -175, 0
ids_info = 66146
msg_id_prefix = gcs_refer_system_Ew02
jump_effect = jump_effect_green
visit = 0
archetype = jumphole
goto = Ew02, Ew02_to_St01_hole, jump_tunnel_green
dock_group = ALL_DOCKABLE

;[Zone]
;nickname = Zone_St01_to_Iw07_hole
;pos = -32136, 6, -33641
;shape = SPHERE
;size = 4000
;interference = 0.5
;property_flags = 131072
;visit = 128
;sort = 99

;[Object]
;nickname = St01_to_Iw07_hole
;ids_name = 458837
;pos = -32136, 6, -33641
;rotate = 0, -175, 0
;ids_info = 66146
;msg_id_prefix = gcs_refer_system_Iw07
;jump_effect = jump_effect_hole
;visit = 0
;archetype = jumphole
;goto = Iw07, Iw07_to_St01_hole, gate_tunnel_bretonia
;dock_group = ALL_DOCKABLE

[Object]
nickname = St01_wplatform_1
reputation = fc_uk_grp
pos = 40296, 0, -13534
archetype = wplatform
ids_name = 261164
ids_info = 66171
behavior = NOTHING
loadout = weapon_platform_pi_04_flu
difficulty_level = 19
visit = 0
pilot = pilot_solar_hardest

[Object]
nickname = St01_wplatform_2
reputation = fc_uk_grp
pos = 40710, 0, -10951
archetype = wplatform
ids_name = 261164
ids_info = 66171
behavior = NOTHING
loadout = weapon_platform_pi_04_flu
difficulty_level = 19
visit = 0
pilot = pilot_solar_hardest

[Object]
nickname = St01_hazard_buoy_1
ids_name = 261163
pos = 25624, 0, -6818
archetype = hazard_buoy

[Object]
nickname = St01_hazard_buoy_2
ids_name = 261163
pos = 30664, 0, -8479
archetype = hazard_buoy

[Object]
nickname = St01_hazard_buoy_3
ids_name = 261163
pos = 34688, 0, -9892
archetype = hazard_buoy

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_destroy_vignette_01
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
sort = 99.500000
vignette_type = open
pos = 11802, 0, -15021
mission_type = unlawful, unlawful

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_destroy_vignette_02
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
sort = 99.500000
vignette_type = open
pos = 24142, 0, -28970
mission_type = unlawful, unlawful

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_destroy_vignette_03
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
sort = 99.500000
vignette_type = open
pos = 40773, 0, -34871
mission_type = unlawful, unlawful

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_destroy_vignette_04
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
sort = 99.500000
vignette_type = open
pos = 56331, 0, -25751
mission_type = unlawful, unlawful

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_destroy_vignette_05
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
sort = 99.500000
vignette_type = open
pos = 58745, 0, -7510
mission_type = unlawful, unlawful

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_destroy_vignette_06
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
sort = 99.500000
vignette_type = open
pos = 50966, 0, 8315
mission_type = unlawful, unlawful

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_destroy_vignette_07
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
sort = 99.500000
vignette_type = open
pos = 33798, 0, 9388
mission_type = unlawful, unlawful

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_destroy_vignette_08
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
sort = 99.500000
vignette_type = open
pos = 15826, 0, 9120
mission_type = unlawful, unlawful

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_destroy_vignette_09
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
sort = 99.500000
vignette_type = open
pos = -19850, 0, -42114
mission_type = unlawful, unlawful

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_destroy_vignette_10
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
sort = 99.500000
vignette_type = open
pos = -37554, 0, -37822
mission_type = unlawful, unlawful

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_destroy_vignette_11
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
sort = 99.500000
vignette_type = open
pos = -41041, 0, -19850
mission_type = unlawful, unlawful

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_destroy_vignette_12
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
sort = 99.500000
vignette_type = open
pos = -26287, 0, -8315
mission_type = unlawful, unlawful

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_destroy_vignette_13
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
sort = 99.500000
vignette_type = open
pos = -14216, 0, 5901
mission_type = unlawful, unlawful

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_destroy_vignette_14
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
sort = 99.500000
vignette_type = open
pos = -4828, 0, 20923
mission_type = unlawful, unlawful

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_destroy_vignette_15
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
sort = 99.500000
vignette_type = open
pos = 6706, 0, 35676
mission_type = unlawful, unlawful

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_destroy_vignette_16
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
sort = 99.500000
vignette_type = open
pos = 1609, 0, 53112
mission_type = unlawful, unlawful

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_destroy_vignette_17
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
sort = 99.500000
vignette_type = open
pos = -15826, 0, 58745
mission_type = unlawful, unlawful

;[Object]
;nickname = Li01_suprise_li_dreadnought
;ids_name = 458967
;ids_info = 460887
;pos = 48506, 0, -12547
;rotate = 80, 35, 30
;Archetype = suprise_li_dreadnought
;visit = 16
;loadout = SECRET_li_dreadnought_1

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_pop_ambient_St01_01
pos = -2682, 0, -1072
rotate = 0, 35, 0
shape = ELLIPSOID
size = 23069, 16631, 16631
sort = 51
toughness = 19
density = 9
repop_time = 25
max_battle_size = 6
pop_type = fc_or_grp, single_base_unlaw
relief_time = 15
faction_weight = fc_or_grp, 10
encounter = area_defend, 19, 0.8
faction = fc_or_grp, 1
encounter = area_trade_freighter, 19, 0.2
faction = co_me_grp, 1

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_pop_ambient_St04_hole
pos = 34871, 0, -13143
rotate = 0, 23, 0
shape = ELLIPSOID
size = 35408, 21191, 21191
sort = 51
toughness = 19
density = 9
repop_time = 25
max_battle_size = 6
pop_type = Background
relief_time = 15
encounter = area_nomads, 19, 0.7
faction = fc_n_grp, 1
encounter = area_scout, 19, 0.3
faction = fc_or_grp, 1

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_pop_ambient_Ew02_hole
pos = -10461, 0, 40504
rotate = 0, 0, 0
shape = ELLIPSOID
size = 16899, 20386, 20386
sort = 51
toughness = 19
density = 9
repop_time = 25
max_battle_size = 6
pop_type = Background
relief_time = 15
encounter = area_defend, 19, 0.7
faction = fc_ou_grp, 1
encounter = area_scout, 19, 0.3
faction = fc_or_grp, 1

[Zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_pop_ambient_third_hole
pos = -29238, 0, -29238
rotate = 0, 28, 0
shape = ELLIPSOID
size = 18777, 17972, 17972
sort = 51
toughness = 19
density = 9
repop_time = 25
max_battle_size = 6
pop_type = Background
relief_time = 15
encounter = area_defend, 19, 0.4
faction = fc_or_grp, 1

[zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_edge_nebula
pos = 536, 0, -1877
shape = ELLIPSOID
size = 100000, 100000, 100000
property_flags = 33794
property_fog_color = 40, 85, 70
spacedust = organismdust
spacedust_maxparticles = 75
interference = 0.5
Music = zone_field_asteroid_nomad

[zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_01_asteroid_exclusion
pos = 2151, 0, -2143
shape = SPHERE
size = 10000
property_flags = 131072

[zone]
nickname = Zone_St01_order_planet_death
pos = -589, 0, -2712
shape = SPHERE
size = 2075
damage = 20000

[LightSource]
nickname = LIGHT
pos = -353, 0, -2886
color = 255, 255, 255
range = 3000
type = DIRECTIONAL
atten_curve = DYNAMIC_DIRECTION

robocop

I now have everything working in this system, at least as far as encounters are concerned.

Missions still don’t show up. In the threads relating to adding missions against nomads, it’s implied that it can be done without adding a clone faction. Is it really, or MUST you add a clone faction in order to make it work? If you add a clone faction, will that affect unmodded players in any way? The clone factions would only appear in systems that are accessible only through the mod.

StarTrader

Did you remember to add the nomads to DATA\RANDOMMISSIONS\vignetteparams.ini?

Put them in every node list that contains other illegal factions, not the legal factions.

If you want them to show up in your rep screen you need to delete their name from common.dll by overwriting it with hex 0’s.

robocop

actually they already exist in vignetteparams.ini, all I did was remove the entries for fc_q_grp, fc_rn_grp, fc_ln_grp, and fc_kn_grp.

I also did the common.dll edit by overwriting the entries for fc_or_grp and fc_n_grp with 0s. They both show up in the rep list. Just no missions on the base. (st01_01)

Here’s a link to the mod as it stands right now:

It’s all scripted except for a couple of files that are added.
Also, the modded common.dll file is in the zip. You’ll have to move it over manually to add it in.

adoxa

Turns out Content.dll has three hardcoded tests for the fc_n_grp faction hash.

content.dll     0518C7  34->00 = allow fc_n_grp for randommissions PART 1 ~adoxa
content.dll     0519B7  34->00 = allow fc_n_grp for randommissions PART 2 ~adoxa
content.dll     0BD2D8  00->01 = allow fc_n_grp to drop (phantom) loot ~adoxa

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Now you tell us lol. Good find, could have saved cloning the nomads but invaluable info for those wanting to do this now

robocop

Oh this is huge…
Once again Adoxa comes through.

Can’t wait to try this out.

robocop

Confirmed that this works.
Missions are now offered on the job board.
NPCs in the bar however do not offer jobs even though they’re set to do so.

Edit: never mind. After adding bribes and rumors to the NPCs (they were mute before), they began offering missions also. Took about a dozen reloads of the char to get them to show up, but show up they did.

All hail Adoxa!!

Next Q. My vignettes are all set to mission_type = unlawful, unlawful. But, let’s say I also want to have bounty hunters offering missions vs. outcasts in the same system. Do I need to set up separate vignettes for lawful, unlawful missions, or is there a way to have them both in the same vignette?