Sorted. Thank you.

lol, job offer FTW! but seriously, i likes the screenies

btw Why, what progs you using? max/maya/blender??

I know I wanted to stay out of the community affairs for a while but I was told to take a look at this one

I am sorry to say it but I think this is one of the worst ideas ive seen in the past months.

A TV series?
Lets stay realistic… every 2nd Scifi TV series gets canceled after just a few episodes… even the successful ones get canceled without warning just to get replaced by a show or a mystery series.

Not to mention that the requirements to even be able to produce a pilot movie are that high that we can not even think about such a possibility. It requires a VERY BIG fan community… It requires good characters and a good story (and FL does not even get close to that).
A cheap fly by teaser showing a few ships is something you can see everywhere on the net… there are thousands of such tries… and all failed.
So tell me how FL should ever get a chance with its very small player community while series such as Firefly with its incredible story and concept and its thousands, tenthousands, hundredthousands of fans dont get a chance to go on?

What has FL to offer?
Story?.. barely
good characters?.. cmon… not really
And a TV series is living just because of the characters and not some fly by scenes.

I am sorry that I again have to be the one again showing what the reality looks like.
So at this point usually comments like “but we can try it”… yes you can… but the key word is “try”

Your creating high expectations… big hopes… and everything is based on a “might”, “maybe”, “could”… and if everything fails (which is very likely) the entire community or at least those which have put their hopes into this “illusion” will get demotivated and disappointed even more.

Its the same what ive seen in the FL community so many times before… the incredible Openlancer… the incredible Uberlancer… the incredible “Lets save FL” campaign… the incredible spotlights (mod/story).
Maybe you dont notice such stuff anymore… fast spoken words… incredible unrealistic plans without any idea how they can get realized and the players all around those projects which suffer when finally that project fails because they have put all their hopes into it.

I also think that you have not a single chance that microsoft gives an OK… afterall Microsoft has canceled all the support for FL, the original team working on lancer is gone (so nobody is there to observe the development of such an TV serie to ensure that it follows the lancer storyline), the fact that FL is nothing but a low budget game with a hand full of players and we also should not forget that Microsoft has done heavy changes considering their games and has done many structural changes in the past 1 1/2 years.

In the end all you have is a few ships and maybe a few combat scenes… no characters… no story (and reading through the script I even doubt that it really follows the lancer story)… nothing that would really impress something.
You dont even have someone being able to produce such a teaser.
All you have is a fanfiction story… not more… not less.

Feel free to ignore my words… the FL community has done this in the past often enough and paid the prize… Ill be here again to remind you about my words when this project failed (and i always was right with what I said in the past).

if you own that company and if you are that an important person with such incredible skills what do you need us for?

seriously - you want to create something and you dont even have the neccessary resources… if you would have them you wouldnt have had to ask why485.

Fine this is your dream… follow it… but the FL community did follow so many dreams and always got disappointed… maybe the FL community finally should concentrate on the important things before it has to realize that their dreams are exactly what the word is… just dreams and the FL does not exist anymore because resources were wasted again.
How many projects in the FL community have been started this way?.. how many of those projects are still unfinished?.. how many of these unfinished projects did we forget/ignore because of new ideas and dreams?.. how many of the current projects do we have to cancel in order to get this dream running?

Im a business man… and one of the very first lessons I have learned was that I can only use the resources that I really have and that making small steps is better than rushing into a fantasy.

At some points i agree with OP here.

The FL community, including this site, has launched a LOT of ideas for improvements, marketing, movies, community involvements etc etc.
Most of those projects, whitch i won’t name, failed or stalled half way or didn’t even come of the drawing board.
Also the launching of multiple community sites with 4 members who host those ideas aren’t helping as well.

It is good to live to your fantasies, I know because I do it every time.
Yes i do business my self as well, but to be honest, i don’t think i would invest large amounts of money into a project like this.

IF your realy dedicated, and if your realy are willing to spend time and resources to a project like this we can support you in all ways we can.
I also agree with OP here that launching ideas like this, giving the remaining community players false hope, will eventualy damage the community.

I would also like to ask OP to give this project a chance, a Dutch saying sais “If you don’t shoot you allways fail to hit your target”

I strongly disagree.

Look, like 2-3 years ago, I was thinking FL is dying and it wont be long till the last servers close or are empty. I also didnt believe there could still be large mods in development at this point in time.
Also, I didnt think any new server would have any chance to get new players.

Look where we are now.
Crossfire 1.8, Discovery 4.85, Shattered Worlds: War Torn and Freeworlds: Tides of War
are all in serious development and look breathtaking. It seems like real FL modding has just begun.
And the player numbers still do not suggest that FL will die in the next 1, 2 or even 3 years.

So dont tell me about wasted efforts and whatnot. Sure, Return to Earth, Uberlancer, Openlancer etc. etc. failed, so what?
Its not the failed projects that count in a community, its the success we have and had that counts.

So my opinion: Go for it. If you fail, it was a valuable experience nonetheless.
And as far as the fl community should participate: I think its everyones own business to decide that.

I’m siding with w0dk4 here. Sure, it’s impossible to fail if you never try, but then most mods would never have been started out of fear of it crashing, all utilities would not be there because there’s a small chance they might have been hated and dissed…

Oh and, Freelancer would probably have been cancelled a thousand times already. If there’s one thing that’s had a shaky and unsure dev cycle, it’s the very game we’re trying to protect and build up. It still got out, not?

I know things look bleak, I know some projects are just dreams, but we can’t just sit there and do nothing but stuff we are 100% sure will work. I’ll point out at the start, Starport was about 99,5% sure to FAIL UTTERLY. And it did for months, but we kept going.

Where are we now?

@Angelfire:

I apologize for the inconvenience.

This will be my last post on this forum.

I had no desire to usurp any resources, merely to find a talented fellow and give him a shot at doing this full time.

The only reason I posted here (or on the disco forums for that matter) was to give a community that loves the same thing that I love a chance to speak their minds before I go ahead with the project.

I am no ‘big shot’. Please accept my humblest apologies if I came across that way.

Good luck with your future endeavors.

Andrew.

Oh uhh

Don’t you start running away!!! ???
We just started this convo, and seeing your last post it looks like you haven’t met the FL community yet.

Its not hostile, its just being woried thats all. And since this is a free posting platform people are allowed to express their opinions.
Only 3 or 4 people posted here. And TBH i would gladly stay updated on this project, and with me hundreds of people more.
Contructive critisism is good, and people posting their concerns is as well, makes you look at things different.

my intention is not to destroy your dream… my intention was to protect the community from false hopes

and lets be honest… to create a mod and to create TV series is a big difference
this arguement came from w0dk4 and FF
yes we modders and coders also had our dreams and still have them… but the difference is that we realize them and create our work before we present it to the community… the PR work starts when the stuff is almost finished and showing the final result which does not leave open much room for speculation if its going to be good or not

we also should not forget that we act in different time frames here…
ignoring some extreme examples (like CF where I (mainly) work alone on a 2gb mod) the creation of a halfway good mod does only time a few weeks and the time span to create a tool is usually not much bigger

To create a TV show you can expect that the FL community would spend months to get the teaser working… then it would take ages before we would get an OK from Microsoft (assuming they would even care)… then you need to find a producer… you need to find a cast… you need to find professional story writers… the casting starts… and finally you spend months with the production of the show
In the end before you can see something on TV you have spend about 2 years… which is a careful guess.
Considering the current situation in the FL community I really doubt that FL will have enough players and community in 2 years which really can benefit from it.

IF you want to create such projects then you also have to look at the less shiny facts… and not only on the highlights.

Enough is enough.

Topic locked.

EDIT:

Reason: The topic creator won’t reply anymore as he clearly stated in his last post. There for its unfair for the topic creator to continue this discussion because he can’t respond/defend him self anymore.