Hi all

@Wicked_Witch:

@Huor:

@wicked witch:
Thats not the whole truth. And btw we at swat discussed it - outcome we would remove the stuff but it was not requested by the stuff owner… So sending someone else to remove stuff of someone different is legally also not very ok - imho.
Would you delete stuff from OP-R8R if i request it on your board? (besides the reality )

Okay i can understand that. But we run almost 2  year the WTS server, so we have a voice in that to. Partly it’s ours also.
So in this case, Predator has the right to request it
Predator is my husband, also serverhost of the WTS.

No, if you not a server/mod owner, but only Admin and you should ask me to remove it, i wouldn’t remove it.
If one of the admins had request it, than you are completly right.

And if i understand you now right, than only a modder can request it?
Server owners have nothing to say?
Or don’t you mean it on that way. Correct me

Yeah you got me right. Anyway without a written acceptance from the person that wants to get removed his stuff - i am not allowed to delete it. And i think you would not be allowed to delete OPs post when i request to do so. This could simply be abused. I am no lawyer - but i think such actions would not be justified. Only the person who is owner of something (in this case posts) can request to delete them or delete downloads etc.pp… If there is another admin or whatever titel he/she wears doesnt matter. Its based on the law that you have to obey even in the internet

@w0dka:
no page long posts would not be necessary at all. All I want to say is that we are not that kind of persons that someone might think we are whenn reading and understanding this joke. And you are welcome to research on SWAT about such jokes about TSP - if you found one you are welcome to start a thread there as well. I doubt you will find one - but you may come if you want…

@worfeh:
I am not totally sure but there was another incident here on TSP where i think a post from OP or anyone else was deleted and the thread was closed. Closing threads wont do any good. The frustration can not be solved - cause that is mostly done by communication. Thats my impression and for this reason i would only close a thread if it is violating heavily agains any rules. BTW if you think we shall move to somewhere else - i can offer to post on SWAT cause we are dealing here with us. And if you dont like it here we can do it at SWAT (no its no direct advertisment - i just want that people can talk and discuss things if they feel to do so).

@roo:
Calm down - as admin such insults should not appear. Sorry i know you are human being like me and anyone else. But as admin you have to be a paragon for others.

@all:
Sorry again for abusing this thread here. It was a bad joke and sorry we could not see it as joke - cause we were the guys who were “attacked” by it.
Over and out now… I think we came nearly to a flame. Would be nice next time if you just could prevent such jokes. They are not nice anyway!

Welcome to the Starport, Jammi. Hopefully you can see passed the flame-fest and enjoy your time here in other threads.

Yeah, like I said before, there are morons and fanboys here. But apart from that the vast majority of people aren’t like that.

@ others, two words : Grow up.

@Dark_Angel:

@ others, two words : Grow up.

Word

@Huor: Nearly? I’m already wearing my flameproof suit +99 protection against bitter fire. Just in case.

Now, it’s very possible the whole thing is a matter of miscommunication, but this is neither the time nor place to resolve such an issue.

@OP: You’re accusing me of throwing stuff together and then you lump Openlancer and SP 2.0 in the same bundle? Look at yourself before speaking, please.

I also find it funny you put everyone you disagree with you as being part of the “TSP community”, like that was a very defined and isolated group of people. It just looks like you want to make it seem as if it was Starport’s fault if people disagreed with you or didn’t like you, while everyone has their own communities and their own history. Of course people on the SWAT Portal won’t disagree with you as much, if at all. Why would they be there otherwise? People are crying bias, but bias is everywhere.

Also, “- I always supported modders with new ideas and encouraged players to post their ideas no matter how they might seem to realize”. Then why did you bash soooo many ideas over here as being unfeasible or outright bad? I’m not against constructive criticism, but you just came in the thread with a 1000-ton mass of “fail” and bashed the ideas without ever providing possible alternatives or actually showing any form of tact. It’s not THAT hard to be gentle, even if you think the idea is total bullshit, and people will appreciate you more for it.

@Huor: Knife, AzzA and Mentalchaos did not find it funny. They did it purposefully so everyone would be disgusted, to taint the reputation of the whole community through the sole (at the time) active portal listed on the official fansite list. Don’t try entering in the mind of those guys, it’s akin to trying to understand Satan himself. On top of that, nothing posted or done here is obscene, like their stuff was. Again, the comparison is very distasteful.

@Septimus: If that’s what you think we’re doing, you’re free to do as you please. Have fun!

And thanks OP for making me think to check what you guys say of SP at SWAT Portal. An interesting read for sure, if a little expected.

… let’s c what we got

— If Pred requests SWAT to remove WTS stuff in PM it’s an evil offence
— If SWAT posts that in a public forum it’s ok

— If other people don’t fight TLR as SWAT wants them to, they are of short memory etc.
— If SWAT works with TLR it’s fine.

— If someone makes a joke about the relation Discovery - SWAT, it’s as evil as posting porn links for SWAT.

— If someone points at plain facts, it’s ‘trash talk’.

— Once more we had to see very long stories about community etc. etc.
… and even so the WTS World mod did assimilate stuff from everywhere
… starting with Argh and not ending with W0dk4, i was not able to find any credits 4 SWAT.
… - maybe those were missed, but i suppose they just were not earned
… and ‘community’ ends, were no personal advantage can be gained.

So thanks for proofing once more
@F!R:

……anything not promoting this persons opinion,
will just lead to more crying and bitching.

yeah lets c what we got

• if people come to this community to discredit me and my community it is ok for you

• if I come here to defend it then i am the bad one

• if you guys including admins swear, insult, offend and break tons of TSP forum rules then it is ok

• if people from my community come here they get called fanboys and whatever being blamed to post here and defend their own community

• if I say no to a project and post valid arguements why that project will fail (and i can not see that just a single of them did succeed until now) then I get personally attack which seems to be ok here

• if somebody of you disagree with my oppinion you suddenly have every right to verbally attack me in person instead posting arguements which speak for that idea

• if i get asked to post about what I supported in the FL community I get suddenly blamed for that just a few threads later

• if people from starport offend me and the members of my community then its ok

• if people from starport post lies about me and my work then its ok

• if tsp admins go to another FL forum and post stuff about me on the admin board then it seems to be ok

• at the moment I say that this was not ok then I get attacked openly

you have attacked my community… you have attacked me in person
you even have insulted my members with your comments

oh and I did not work with TLR… I worked exclusivly with BP to help him to get TLR back
you dont want to fight TLR (or at least their admins)… well then I guess you will have to live with the ddos attacks until the end of the FL community (how many did we have in the past 2 months? 5?)

It’s always the tone that makes the music

in that case the music here at TSP sounds terrible

@OPR8R:

in that case the music here at TSP sounds terrible

what you think ,that youre sound is very nice ? use a better frequence then
you attack the people ,and you acuse the members and admins from TSP from it lol

you also acuse FIR from that he attack u and youre community alway’s
well i can tell this he have never post something about you
good reading is very diffecult for you i see

i have ask you to delete our stuff from youre forum,and you told me that u NOT do that for me
well i REMOVE youre stuff from our website from YOURE COMMUNITY

so pls again remove the stuff

we as WTS owners/modders/admins have all the same opinion
so when YOU atack ! off the owners/modders/admins from the WTS,YOU atack us ALL

you have post a lot post’s ago that it was youre last post here,but it seems that TSP is very intresting for you
you still read and post youre comment’s here lol
that say more about you ,then about us

have a nice life with good music

@OPR8R:

• if you guys including admins swear, insult, offend and break tons of TSP forum rules then it is ok
• if people from my community come here they get called fanboys and whatever being blamed to post here and defend their own community

Assumption much? As I’m the only one who posted any mention of fanboys, not referring to anyone in particular. You yourself have you just called your own community fanboys.

what i said is fact and I can prove it at any time

@Dark Angel:
Don’t switch the statements. You know what you have posted and it was clear whom you meant. If not i guess you does not meant the TSP Hence i thank you for naming me moron - i really appreciate it

@Predator:
You in particular you as person cant demand OP to delete stuff that is not yours. You are an admin - well. But you are not the owner of that Stuff. AFAIK it is Fir. So he has to have the balls to request this. Not you. Anyway any PM was not posted on a public forum. Its just legally if OP asks his staff for opinions - isn’t it?

I see that WTS feels attacked when a single and well known or even the admin person is accused. Same applies to SWAT but I feel very much that this here (joke) is just an exception from it. We were discredit by this joke and you all seems to don’t see it…headshaking

I really dont see why you all think it was a joke and cant see the offensive meaning by it. Sorry i really have problems with understanding the obvious.

@Fir:
Your disfavor or hate against OP is obvious. But why do we all have to suffer. Have you seen me discredit WTS in anyway?

And OP stated that it was his last post on the forum where he posted. I cant find any relation where he was stating his last post on TSP. No he even offered his help without being mentioned in the FLCN. Thats a problem? And like i told - you are welcome to come to SWAT - search for all the discredits for you own mod and post there an complaint. I think SWAT got far more here than we gave to any mod on SWAT. So anyway i have the feeling that we are not welcome here if we all are just that bad and always see the bad in things - where our own mind is worth nothing. I also think that you think OP gave us a brainwash and that he influence us. You will utterly fail. But thats not important. Prejudges are more worth than the facts.

You will utterly fail.

Yay, we now get prophetic announcements!

Seriously guys, this bickering can stop now, methinks? I mean, we’ve all spewed a lot of crap and we can see nobody will change his or her mind. At this point it becomes an evolutionist VS creationist kind of debate: it’s stalled and likely won’t go anywhere but down.

If you want to continue the fight, feel free to do so through PMs. I’m not locking this (because OP apparently doesn’t like that), but please please please stop it people. It’s getting stale now.

@Huor:

@Dark Angel:

@Predator:
You in particular you as person cant demand OP to delete stuff that is not yours. You are an admin - well. But you are not the owner of that Stuff. AFAIK it is Fir. So he has to have the balls to request this. Not you. Anyway any PM was not posted on a public forum. Its just legally if OP asks his staff for opinions - isn’t it?

I see that WTS feels attacked when a single and well known or even the admin person is accused. Same applies to SWAT but I feel very much that this here (joke) is just an exception from it. We were discredit by this joke and you all seems to don’t see it…headshaking

first off all i didn’t demand him,i have ask it polite on him,

and nobody send me F!R can talk by him self(he is a human) and he is a man, so i think he have balls ;D

what you say now that i as serverhost have nothing to say ,about removing the stuff from a forum
that it is not my stuff but that F!R is the owner?
we from WTS are a litle bit differend ,we have a very good and strong team.
and when F!R -Wicked Witch or me do a request for deleting our stuff,then we have talked about it
so i as server owner have also something to say
we react as a team
i do all the pr stuff for the WTS and i have aranged the advertising on the swat forum.
so it is very strange that it is not alowed for me to ask for deleting
the swat team know’s me very well
and when swat don’t delete our stuff,it is his own decission.
then he let it there,and must be happy with it;)

btw we don’t feel us attacked,we only give our opinion

and for FriendlyFire
for me the Swat part is closed

So the fact seems to vanish:
Here we go with the answer of SWAT to Predator, when he request him to remove the WTS stuff:

As i already wrote in my PM reply I will not waste my time with the removal of anything.
I fail to see why I actually should do that. In the past months I was often enough target of FIRs attacks in close to all FL communities (and obviously he belongs to your team). Attacks which often were very personal and offensive. And now I get such a request without even being told about serious reasons (if those exist).

In the past years I have recommented WTS to many players… I did this on TLR and on many other FL sites… I did ads for WTS… and all of a sudden I receive such a treatment from you WTS guys?
Maybe such a behaviour is normal in the new freelancer community meanwhile… ?

SWAT_OP-R8R

That not a “Sorry Pred, you need F!R to confirm that”,
that’s aggressive and obviously SWAT feels insulted by that request.

So how do we have to see his own public request here, to remove all SWAT stuff,
if we see his own reaction he now tries to camouflage?

For me it was a clear hostile action against TSP
and in the same second SWAT announces his upcoming mod @ the all evil TLR,
everyone needs to fight after his statements, while still he keeps popping up here
to tell stories about ‘community’.

WOW!

Oh yes and evil me - i v been bad and insulting poor innocent SWAT
by pointing at facts and showing the awful truth.

I think this thread is a good example as to why I think the Freelancer community is a giant pile of trash. I love you all.

@Sion:

I think this thread is a good example as to why I think the Freelancer community is a giant pile of trash. I love you all.

I think if something is as dangerous as flame wars, its the constant badmouthing of the so called Freelancer community.
There are some very bright lights in this community and if its all that bad, why are there still as many people playing this game as back in ~2006?

@w0dk4:

There are some very bright lights in this community and if its all that bad, why are there still as many people playing this game as back in ~2006?

Because the game is good, and there is typically a pretty decent sense of community around most individual servers - it’s only the greater Freelancer community as a whole - specifically the interactions between the large ‘community’ oriented sites - that are unpleasent to look upon.

fact is - yes i didnt remove that stuff by request
in the past 7 years that SWAT does exist not a single post that didnt violate the forum rules has been removed by the staff - it is a forum policy not to delete something… not to lock something… not to forbid something that is not against the rules.

Every member has the right and ability to edit and remove own posts… own threads… even the own accounts. But I explained that already a few posts before. You want your posts removed… then do it… the staff will not interfere.

also fact is - that I went to TLR doing some posts there
fact is also that I said here on TSP that this has good reasons
the one and only legit reason to get the bad elements removed from the administration and being replaced with the original site owner (bakedpotatoe)
The mentioned thread about my mod were done by request (if you would have read that thread you would know that). And if you would have read that TLR forum you would know that I was not holding azzas hand in order to get his next best friend.
The current situation at TLR and the creation of Reactorforge wouldnt have happened if I wouldnt have done what I have done.

That much about my motives to go there. At least that step was moraly more right than those discussions about destroying TLR that were done on the TSP admin board not that long ago. At least my efforts did lead to some changes eventhough they were not enough to finish the initial task. After the past few days I regret that I even tried it.