Moralic imput required. Please read.

quickfix, sdk, unofficial patch and whatever else is out there were designed to fix the vanilla game and to build mods uppon a cleaned bugfixed environment
for some to me unknown reason some ppl (mainly normal players) think that they have to use the SDK or other fixed if they experience any problems with mods
so they activate the sdk or whatever and overwrite mod data that way… which in many cases (not in all cases) will cause even more trouble

and even the JFLP is highly risky

first question:
effects: why do you think that my mod does still use the vanilla stuff or why do you think that the this vanilla stuff is still working in the same way it once was designed? Maybe your changes cause problems because you refere to something that does not exist in my mod anymore.
short example:
you decide to change the look of a weapon
so you either change the weapon effect or the vis_effect and use the one that you think that looks better (both effect definitions are vanilla)
if my mod does not have this effect definied anymore or replaced it with a custom one that I simply consider much better then every player using that weapon would ctd
(that is the very basic example… i have some more that could happen)

second question:
IF your mod would get activated in FLMM right before you activate my mod (and this statement is valid for other mods out there aswell) my mod simply could not load and FLMM would abort the activation
Even if this would not happen one question appears… why would somebody activate your mod and overwrite it with my mod? That procedure wouldnt actually wouldnt be that effective.

@FF
indeed that mod might be a good addition to vanilla servers, it might work pretty well and stable
but if not taken care about it players using this mod might have an advantage over players which dont use the mod (depending on how this mod is designed and which features will be used in the final version)
however… i believe that even vanilla servers have rules that state not to use mods if you play on them
every player using such mods risk to get banned without warning
question is “is that worth it?”

I guess that tool uses client hooking. In this case i won’t allow it because i already have client hooking in my mod and don’t want any conflicts. Also my client dll adds some of those features

I’ve nothing to say about features themselves, they’re pretty harmless.

I’m running almost vanilla server.

Bas wrote:
About which tool are you talking? FLHack/JFLP?

About the linked one, http://forum.station-network.de/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=8372
Or maybe i got something wrong :roll:

… @Predator/F!R: I guess you wouldn’t care …

Addition from our rules:

…

• Cheating is NOT tolerated.
  (crime #1).
  That means for example

• … no nothing…

And the discussion if it’s a cheat or compatible or what ever will be very short.

Besides:
Does it make sense to ask for opinions,
if you don’t want to hear them?

bas - it is not that behind those scenes is something i have not seen already
I joined that project just to prevent serious troubles for others.

Actually the point is that servers have their rules and these are often simple and valid. If i would allow that one of them would get broken then other rules will get broken aswell. And then endless discussions will start.

make it mp incompatible - that would reduce all problems to 0
most FL players play only SP

the massive difference between mod downloads and online players
and from moddb

It’s obvious that on 98% which is actually 99.999% of all MP servers, only want you to use their mods for their server and not any other mods at all. Just like something as simple as the Speed Mod is enough to get a player banned, what makes you thin g that nothing else will? It’s crazy to think otherwise, Bas. Nothing against you or your ability. It’s just common sense.

Whatever players wish to use for SP is entirely up to them. Why pursue offering something that only continues to prolong the negative when it’s not necessary?

What I keep seeing here is one Topics stops, then another begins and it’s still along the same subject, cheats. Anything that alters an MP server that is not yours alone is considered a cheat providing it’s not being use in SP.

I don’t really see what addon you are talking about, guys But if it’s about that one (link) - it’s not a cheat (besides maybe visible tizona fx). Cheat is unfair advantage in economics or battle, while those are just convenient or nice features.
Seriously, HD textures or chatlogging aren’t cheats

HunterKiller wrote:
It’s obvious that on 98% which is actually 99.999% of all MP servers, only want you to use their mods for their server and not any other mods at all.

Well, i hosted Radiant’s HD textures on my server as optional mod for people to use. Because it doesn’t give any advantage besides very eye-pleasuring planets and asteroids, etc
While i won’t allow using speedmod because it will give one player advantage (trading mostly) - that’s a cheat.

Bas wrote:
Eh that’s the modification/addon.

GLS workaround & maybe client-side chatlogging

Yep, those are using hooks, and that’s where conflicts could be when you try to use it with other mod that uses hooking.

just because on your server it is not considered a cheat the other servers out there dont have to think in the same way

a graphic mod (HD textures) being used on my new mod would not only change the textures… it would change much more… that alone is not permitted

and what if that graphic mod causes a crc conflict on the materials? -> unidentified crash for the players using those mods and the admins and modders are getting blamed for bugs while they are unable to fix anything since their own work is free of errors

HunterKiller wrote:
What I keep seeing here is one Topics stops, then another begins and it’s still along the same subject, cheats. Anything that alters an MP server that is not yours alone is considered a cheat providing it’s not being use in SP.

What does it alter on the server exactly? :-?

actually nothing… it was just the wrong choice of words
“the client gets changed with having effects on the server” fits better to what hk wanted to express

[d]I’m just a little curious… What exactly is the issue here? That some server admins might not want any client-side changes of any sort (graphics etc.) being used on their server? If that’s the case, they need to explicitly state this in their rules.[/d]

Edit: Nevermind, totally missed the first page of this thread. That explains things a little.