How do you make flzip with windows 7

StarTrader

FriendlyFire wrote:
You’ve always been antiquated ST

Go back to play with your mainframes

Windows 7 is probably the best Windows OS, or at least a tie with XP. It’s a proper evolution and finally a good upgrade path for die-hard XP fans.

Just being sardonic.

You are quite right, W7 is the best so far but has some annoying quirks and plain sillies in it that need get-arounds to be worked out.

And the problem in retro Windows like XP is lack of drivers for the new motherboards, processors and other components, so W7 is the only way forward with new technology PCs.

My beloved mainframes are now just fading photos.

Bas

And the problem in retro Windows like XP is lack of drivers for the new motherboards, processors and other components, so W7 is the only way forward with new technology PCs.

Linux?

FriendlyFire

The Year of the Linux Desktop is still quite a way away, despite my best wishes for the platform. Sadly, drivers and games are what’s killing it, as more often than not I want to play games every once in a while and half the time wireless drivers don’t work on laptops.

@ST: Don’t forget x64; XP 64-bit is… Let’s say not too good. And I’m sure you can find mainframe emulators on the web

Gisteron

it is sensible to get FL to IPv6, as most other programs will run on it soon. approx. in three years all XP world will be running with win7 and everything that cannot will either die out or remain with people like us, who are interested in that while the common user will get to something new. kinda question of survival, you know…

Bas

FriendlyFire wrote:
The Year of the Linux Desktop is still quite a way away, despite my best wishes for the platform. Sadly, drivers and games are what’s killing it, as more often than not I want to play games every once in a while and half the time wireless drivers don’t work on laptops.

Well, many Windows applications, including games, do also run at Linux with the compability layer Wine ( = Wine is not an emulator).
Plus: You can also setup a dual boot. I have done this but I have never used XP since I installed Ubuntu.
The support from companies for Linux isn’t SUCH high yet, but it is a way more than some years ago. I definitivly see an upcoming trend/t for Linux. It might take 5+ years, but the trend is there. Linux also gets used more and more in schools, universities and so on.

@ST: Don’t forget x64; XP 64-bit is… Let’s say not too good. And I’m sure you can find mainframe emulators on the web

Hm, have heard this already a few times, a friend of mine does say that the 64 bit support isn’t worse than Vista’s/7’s, though. Dunno what is correct.

FriendlyFire

XP 64-bit was half-assed, late-coming and generally horrible. Vista and particularly 7 have full x64 support out of the box and work great; most manufacturers release both x86 and x64 drivers for these OS.

And please don’t kid yourself, Wine isn’t an alternative. I don’t want to get a 50% FPS hit just to run on Linux, sorry, and that’s when the game even works.

Same for dual booting really, sounds great initially but the shutdown/startup process is far too long and cumbersome. You always end up picking one OS and only logging on that one. Except I still want to play games without lag and/or bugs, so I picked Windows. Didn’t you say you don’t even have FL running yet?

Bas

FriendlyFire wrote:
XP 64-bit was half-assed, late-coming and generally horrible. Vista and particularly 7 have full x64 support out of the box and work great; most manufacturers release both x86 and x64 drivers for these OS.

And please don’t kid yourself, Wine isn’t an alternative. I don’t want to get a 50% FPS hit just to run on Linux, sorry, and that’s when the game even works.

Same for dual booting really, sounds great initially but the shutdown/startup process is far too long and cumbersome. You always end up picking one OS and only logging on that one. Except I still want to play games without lag and/or bugs, so I picked Windows. Didn’t you say you don’t even have FL running yet?

Eh, I haven’t re-tried for a while

Well, I didn’t say that all games work perfectly or well enough to be played with wine, but some do!
Examples are, for instance, WoW, Warcraft III, Guild Wars…
I don’t claim all games work with wine, but it definitivly can’t be said that no game runs with it.

DB: Ok, this might be true, but if you have the ressources (means, a newer PC) it might be worth to take it into consideration.

FriendlyFire

My PC’s got a compatibility issue with the GPU making it take around 2 minutes to boot instead of 30 seconds. No, not happening.

And all the games you’re listing are old games that would run well on just about any configuration. Go ahead and try playing Crysis or Mass Effect 2 or Metro 2033 on Wine.

Bas

And all the games you’re listing are old games that would run well on just about any configuration. Go ahead and try playing Crysis or Mass Effect 2 or Metro 2033 on Wine.

What do you mean by “any configuration”? The software (wine in this case) needs to be written, to what are you referring to? It is not a matter of course that windows software runs at a totally different OS.
Plus for old games, this is of course the case since it takes time to build wine. In short: The older and the more popular a game the higher is the chance that it will work with wine.

Metro 2033:
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=19666

Silver rating.

ME 2:
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=19125

Silver rating.

FriendlyFire

WoW runs on netbooks. Warcraft 3 too. Guild Wars runs on any computer released within the last 7 years. My point is that even if you get a 50% hit, going from 200FPS to 100FPS is unnoticeable.

But going from 30 to 15 is horrible. The Wine people purposefully avoid speaking of benchmarks because it is IMPOSSIBLE not to get a performance hit, and for games that already cause lag on Windows, it can be a make or break issue.

Even Linux diehards agree that it isn’t for games.

Bas

FriendlyFire wrote:
WoW runs on netbooks. Warcraft 3 too. Guild Wars runs on any computer released within the last 7 years. My point is that even if you get a 50% hit, going from 200FPS to 100FPS is unnoticeable.

Can hardly discuss with you here since I am very uninformed about the performance stuff. But as for Warcraft III I can say there doesn’t seems to be such much of a performance malus, as it didn’t run smoothly at my Windows XP I can judge about it a bit. Plus, actually, I have a very old PC from about ~2004, 1 GB RAM, 2.1 Ghz single-core processor, ATI Radeon 9550.
So, it isn’t just the case that it just isn’t noticable and runs badly, I personally have encountered totally the contrarity with Warcraft III (Note: WC 3 is from 2002/2003).
Also, Wine doesn’t emulate a windows environment but ports the applications instructions to the linux ones, from what I do know.
http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-c9e6502ad636315e905d07f7e44594757a6738e3

But going from 30 to 15 is horrible. The Wine people purposefully avoid speaking of benchmarks because it is IMPOSSIBLE not to get a performance hit, and for games that already cause lag on Windows, it can be a make or break issue.

Even Linux diehards agree that it isn’t for games.

Well, this is wrong as well. It isn’t such a gaming platform as windows, true, but some indie developers make games for Linux as well (also commercial ones). Also, it is suspected that Steam is going to publish it’s games for Linux as well.

FriendlyFire

Valve has announced their support for Linux, mostly since they’re porting them to OSX. Doesn’t mean you’ll see more than Half-Life out there.

Warcraft 3 was an extremely popular game that, compared to modern games, uses very few advanced techniques. I damn well hope it’ll run good on Wine, or you’d be in serious troubles.

And I know it isn’t an emulator (it’s in the name), but ANY layer between the OS and the application causes a hit in performance. When you need to translate the entire DirectX layer into OpenGL, this can be substantial.

Bas

Many games do support OpenGL by themselves.

FriendlyFire

Go ahead and look at popular games and tell me that with a straight face again.

Bas

Warcraft III? xD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OpenGL_programs

There are also some “newer” titles using it.

FriendlyFire

All I’m seeing are id and Valve games, plus older games back when OpenGL didn’t feel as lagging behind. You’re in denial now Bas

Bas

Some of the X games.

Well, I never said that LInux is a larger gaming plattform than Windows. But it is simple wrong to say that you can’t play any games at it or that they aren’t suuuuch much games you can play at it.

Plus, who knows, maybe Valve is just one of the first publishers which creates linux games.

Interestingly, there was a so called humble-bundle. 5-6 games, you donated each price you were willing to in order to get them. If you wanted to do so you could have paid just 0.01 U$D. Now the interesting part: the average Linux user donated almost twice as much as the average windows user did. (Linux: ~14 U$D, Windows ~7 U$D). Actually this proofs that Linux users are willing to pay for software they like adn that they don’t only use linux cause it is free as in beer (but more as in freedom).

Bas

Just FYI, wine 1.2 got released:
http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.2

They also state that the support for Dx got improved by a lot.