FL might support Bump Maps and other features

That’s exactly my point. So next time instead of

im not even putting much hope in a dx9 version as the few pics and vids ive seen so far have mostly hurt my eyes

write e.g.

im not even putting much hope in a dx9 version for now, as the few pics and vids ive seen so far didn’t exactly convince me

I’ve had this discussion about writing stile over and over again and mostly the people forget that no one reads your text as you write it. Obviously your current writing style makes people believe that you are arrogant / rude / have no clue what you are talking about.

Often simple words can change the way a sentence is interpreted, I didn’t change much in your statement but this way no one should be offended.

Just to shed some light on “dx9” since everybody thinks dx9 can do wonders by itself:

The conversion of DX8 to DX9 basically changes nothing in FL, since DX8 is almost the same as DX9.
Actually, the first thing I made sure was that DX9 looked the same as DX8, so that there are no bugs in the wrapper.
The only big changes made to the graphics pipeline in DX9 are the fully customizable shaders.

Color correction and bloom are simple post processing effects that by itself have nothing to do with DX9.

So, naturally, a “DX9 conversion” cannot do anything more than a DX8 version. Im also saying that the DX9 conversion is already completed.

What Im working on at the moment is to add features to the rendering pipeline which is not simply switching some settings in some DX9 interface. The simplest ones were the two post processing effects, since post processing is very easy to do.
I’d argue that they are still better than ENB’s simply for the reason that they are applied before the HUD is drawn, whereas ENB’s post process effects apply to everything on-screen.

Also: The FL devs actually did a great job at getting the best out of DX8. The specular highlights on ships are not done with the stock specularity feature of Direct3D, but rather with cube map textures.
Porting the renderpipeline to DX9 mainly allows to add shader-related features, which werent possible in D3D8.

OPR8R wrote:
So if you feel offended by that, ok your choice but personally i still believe that good developers at least interested in the “whats wrong with it” and the “what can be done better” instead of going suddenly hostile.

So now I’m a bad developer? To be quite honest, you’re a prick, OP. You think you’re a good person for the community? What about these comments about the 88FLAK mod on MODDB? http://www.moddb.com/mods/crossfire/page/5#comments

OP wrote:
ok lets just stick with the textures
higher quality on textures are not supported by the Freelancer engine and when i look at the Flak88 textures i can clearly see that they are not a little bit better. Actually it can even be said that Crossfire was the very first mod which even did such texture changes ages ago and since that time no other mod was able to come up with improvements yet.
Flak88 is actually not even playing in our leaque. The popularity of our mod obviously is indicator of its quality and shows that we must have done something right where others have done it wrong. So why in gods name should I take a look at a mod which is less successful then my own mod? Obviously its features or graphics were not reason for players to fill its official server.
I guess i keep doing things the way i did in the past as i probably have more experience than any other modder in the FL community and the success of my work is proving me right. (and believe me… in the past 7 years i have introduced more features and concepts to the Freelancer game than anybody else… so please stop telling something about features).

I particularly love the last part of the comments.

All you do is lash out at things that you find threatening towards your mod; which apparently to you, is the best mod ever in the existence of gaming, let alone Freelancer. Anything that isn’t completed by you, is obviously not as good. Your comments on MODDB are quite funny to run through and I recommend it for people that are in the mood for a laugh. I particularly love how you handle criticisms of your mod, since we are talking about “good developers”.

Honestly, OP, go back to the hole you crawled out of as you can see, most people really don’t enjoy your presence, comments or anything that spews out of your fingertips.

you read what you want to read, not what is written
and when talking about flak88 at moddb
that was the right answer for coming to my mod profile, advertising their mod, belitteling my work, insulting me and my community and finally breaking the moddb terms of use

Hello guys, you talking about textures, so maybe you know the answer: take a look here please… http://the-starport.net/freelancer/forum/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3352

OPR8R wrote:
you read what you want to read, not what is written
and when talking about flak88 at moddb
that was the right answer for coming to my mod profile, advertising their mod, belitteling my work, insulting me and my community and finally breaking the moddb terms of use

The right answer? I think what you wrote there was seriously overkill, as are most of your replies. Furthermore, this wasn’t FoxUnit01, M0tah or Why485 that came and did this and you belittled/slandered their work without a just cause.

really? compared to the replies i got here i was pretty nice to that guy that obviously tried to convince ppl to leave my mod and come to flak88
and that guy was not just a nobody like you try to state, nobody from flak88 appeared to have a problem with the troubles he caused at my mod so nobody from flak88 nor anybody else has the right to judge about the way the issue has been finally solved

i told that guy to think about “why some mods and servers are more successful than others and that ppl which run an almost empty server should better not tell me how i have to do my work”
if that is an attack towards flak88 then i dont know anymore
…probably that guy simply shouldnt have started that crap

OPR8R wrote:
really? compared to the replies i got here i was pretty nice to that guy that obviously tried to convince ppl to leave my mod and come to flak88
and that guy was not just a nobody like you try to state, nobody from flak88 appeared to have a problem with the troubles he caused at my mod so nobody from flak88 nor anybody else has the right to judge about the way the issue has been finally solved

i told that guy to think about “why some mods and servers are more successful than others and that ppl which run an almost empty server should better not tell me how i have to do my work”
if that is an attack towards flak88 then i dont know anymore
…probably that guy simply shouldnt have started that crap

That is hardly what that comment states…:roll: And if it was, what you said and what you meant were two very different things.

It has to be the language barrier. It has to.

That you don’t realize how much of a prick you sound like whenever you post baffles me, OP. That you don’t even want to concede EVER that a reply might’ve been a little too harsh, after some reconsideration, makes me fear it is not a language barrier, though. Even when we put your nose down on it, nearly rubbing you in it, you still don’t see it!

Is it so bad to say “Look, I’m sorry, yeah I’ve been a little harsh there”. Instead you try to downplay what you said, you say people interpreted your words the wrong way… If most people read something some way, then maybe it’s not their interpretation that’s wrong, it’s YOURS! It wouldn’t take so much to correct this, either, you know. You’d just have to, sometimes, do something you’ve barely ever done: agree that you were wrong, in public.

It’d be nice for a change but hey, one can dream.

Oh and, just as a little footnote: I don’t care if you think I’m insulting you. Sometimes I am, others I am not, but you’ve insulted enough things and people that I care about for me not to give a damn if you feel wronged. Maybe you should look down your own oversized ego and see how many people you’ve wronged before complaining.

probably you better take care of what your own nose and realize how you have act towards others aswell, how you insulted ppl, how you spread false info about them (just like the “you have never posted anything constructive”)
but i guess thats not an option to you, the truth doesnt matter if you run a personal vendatta against someone

or better to say with the words of another TSP member “as soon as you post something on there, FF leaps down your throat, he seems a bit sensitive.”

well
I think ive spent enough time here to see that nothing has changed, community leaders which still cant follow the rules of their own community. All this has remind me on the old TLR and mentalchaos.
however, we see us in… lets say half a year and take a look if you finally calmed down
bye, bye
and yeah… have a nice day

I do agree that FriendlyFire has as of late been a bit… aggressive in his postings. You may want to tone it down FF.

Anyway OPR8R, don’t let the door hit you on the way out. While I respect your mod for its technical prowess (not sarcasm, I really do), I can’t say I’m too fond of the guy in charge of it. Don’t worry though, you’ll always be a great source of siggable quotes!

I know I’ve been more… Snappy, lately. Long story. Guess I’m getting grumpy like ST

Honestly folks, I know I may be speaking out of turn here but when I see disagreements like this in threads like these. I just feal we are not doing ourselves as a community any favours. Just imagine if Microsoft ever did decide to consider giving us access to the FL source and decided to visit the community forums, like here or maybe TLR or practically any other forum involved in modding FreeLancer. All they would see is us all bickering at and about each other. I really can’t see this helping our cause, maybe we just don’t deserve it.

Now I’m not saying the if we where all holding hands and singing coom baa ya!! we would have the source. What I am saying is no wonder we get no where fast.

Looks like the flames have died down a little and the dust is starting to settle.

Anyone in the know care to explain a little about what difference the custom shaders make. This is to do with pixel rendering and lighting or something isn’t it. Does it make any difference to the way textures are displayed on ships etc? I’ve noticed how crappy planet textures are in FL compared to some other games like spaceforce and darkstar one which are dx9 games, that’s better lighting etc yeah? Are you making this sort of thing possible with the custom shaders?

i see a lot off negative awnsers here in this topic from OPR8R
and that count’s for a lot off post from him.
when i dont like something than is that a personal thing,then it is not the meaning that i take down the stuff where other works on

i have seen that you love medals,and i have 1 medal for you

then i concrats you with the

Lt. Cmdr a…… medal

Timmy51m wrote:
Looks like the flames have died down a little and the dust is starting to settle.

Anyone in the know care to explain a little about what difference the custom shaders make. This is to do with pixel rendering and lighting or something isn’t it. Does it make any difference to the way textures are displayed on ships etc? I’ve noticed how crappy planet textures are in FL compared to some other games like spaceforce and darkstar one which are dx9 games, that’s better lighting etc yeah? Are you making this sort of thing possible with the custom shaders?

FL planets look crappy because they have very low-res textures, coupled with an engine that has no anisotropic filtering built-in (needs to be forced in drivers). The new games may or may not use shaders to create the planets, but texture quality is the main culprit.

Shaders can be used for so many things I don’t know where to begin. They’re at the foundation of many new effects in modern games - glass effects, water effects, reflections, per-pixel lighting, shadows, normal maps, displacement maps, etc. Shaders let you do an insane amount of stuff. Just run a Google search on the subject, you’ll see.

Anyway OPR8R, don’t let the door hit you on the way out {…}Don’t worry though, you’ll always be a great source of siggable quotes!

+1

FriendlyFire wrote:
I know I’ve been more… Snappy, lately. Long story. Guess I’m getting grumpy like ST

It’s because me misses our talks on MSN. No worries buddy, I’ll be back in like 2 weeks.

FriendlyFire wrote:
I know I’ve been more… Snappy, lately. Long story. Guess I’m getting grumpy like ST

well, we are a pair! I can handle it by taking a snipe at ya from time to time, hope you can do the same and we’ll get along well!

Reminder #368… I would love a set of nice smileys here, I got them for my forums easily enough - please?

So FF is taking over from ST as chief flamehead so ST can concentrate on his new role as captain grammar whore! What a tag team, time to disapear before I get burned for opening my mouth and bitch slapped for a deliberate spelling mistake.