Need help with sur

Mirkha wrote:
lol …
i work primarily for FW
and i have a lot of work
so ok but the last and you’ll have it when you’ll have it

No problem, I’m not in a rush.
Just PM me when youre done with a link to download.

A “please” or any hint of appreciation would probably be nice, too, DVDMan…

Sushi wrote:
A “please” or any hint of appreciation would probably be nice, too, DVDMan…

+1

I have an idea: Maby do it without SUR? This model is very complex to make a “Proper” SUR.

Sushi wrote:
A “please” or any hint of appreciation would probably be nice, too, DVDMan…

Please.

Mirkha, is there a tutorial on how you do the SURs? I’m new to the modding scene and would like to learn. Thanks.

gentlemen, look in the tutorials section, there is a video on that together with the cmp splicing tutorial. that pretty much covers all your needs

here
and
here

i’ll give you a text process this evening
but anyway the method is also to modify the cmp, because we inject parts who refers to the sur in it

so you can now learn how to modify a cmp

we have to draw simples shapes
squares, rectangles, cylinders and spheres
so no, none model is very difficult because you decompose it by simples shapes
the problem are that if your model is complex it’s difficult to see certain parts and you will have a lot of boxes to add in the cmp
but the most “difficult” if i can say it’s to draw in 3dsmax/milkshape

The process is simple, i will also give some advices for 3dsmax because, you can find tutorials on the net but all that i saw were very complicated compared to what you need to know.
anyway if it’s not usefull for you it can be for someone else

You also need the hitbox tools.
I uploaded a rar here : http://www.filefront.com/17377475/hitbox_tools.rar
The pack is composed with :

1 - Preliminary work :

Import the cmp in milkshape and center the model to the 0.0.0 absolute.
Optionnal, if you need it scale the model.
Save it to my_cmp_origin.ms3d
Export as a cmp.
Export a .3DS.

Import the new cmp in flmodeltool.exe and search the radius

The ini.ini is like this :
You need to modify it

shadow_academy.sur -----> the same name as the final cmp
shadow_academy_cons_fix.dat ------> what you want but i prefer the same than the cmp
10100 -------> the radius of the cmp
10000 10000 10000 -------> the mass in the ini file (shiparch.ini or solararch.ini)

z_shadow_1.sur Root
z_shadow_2.sur zomgbayz01
z_shadow_3.sur zomgbayz02
z_shadow_4.sur zomgbayz03
z_shadow_5.sur zomgbayz04
z_shadow_6.sur zomgbayz05
z_shadow_7.sur zomgbayz06
z_shadow_8.sur zomgbayz07
z_shadow_9.sur zomgbayz08
z_shadow_10.sur zomgbayz09
z_shadow_11.sur zomgbayz10
z_shadow_12.sur zomgbayz11
z_shadow_13.sur zomgbayz12
z_shadow_14.sur zomgbayz13
............

2 - Work in 3dsmax :

Import the 3DS in 3DSMAX.
As you can see, he is not well placed. What you need to do is rotate on x by 90°.
Normally the model is well placed.

Be careful about one important thing : The root group is the group who is selected in space when you click on a base/ship. So his choice have to be pertinent.
I advice you to draw it first because in the ini.ini the first sur is dedicated to the root part.

What you need to know about 3dsmax

keyboard :
Alt + W will maximize/minimize the windows you are in.
Wheel clic move the object
Alt + Wheel clic rotate the object
When you are in edition (vertices, face, etc) Ctrl + selection adds object and Alt + selection removes object
Wheel zoom in/out

Only simples shapes will work, as simples shapes i mean squares, rectangles, spheres and cylinders.
You can do a concave shape but “not to much concave” if i can say
About cylinders ––> many bases have cylinders in them, so my advice is to make more cylinders and not a “single very complicated shape”.

You can also use the spline tool, with line option only.
It’s a very accurate way to draw box.
Just select spline\line, draw the shape, in modify select extrude and right click on the shape to convert in mesh.

You can also work on poly, very usefull if you want to add lines/vertices but at the end of the process each shape have to be in editable mesh

At the end : select the base, delete it and then export all the box you drew as a my_cmp_hb.3DS.

3 - Work in Milkshape :

Open the my_cmp_origin.ms3d
Import the 3DS you just make.
Rotate it by -90° in X and center it if you need 0.0.0 in absolute.
Place it around the cmp
Delete the group(s) of the cmp
Save it as mycmp_hb.ms3d

Rename each group. I advice you to take the same name as in the ini.ini
For example : z_mycmp_01, etc etc.

Make a new material and assign it to each group.

Export each group one by one. For this, i advice to do like this :

4 - Make the splice :

Very simple, use the splicer.bat to make it.
A shell windows will pop up and warn you about if it’s good or not.

5 - Work in the cmp :

I don’t know if you have the possibility of making macro but with the last version of utfeditor it’s very useful.
Enter will pop up the rename function in the right data.

I do the integration in a certain way

6 - Import the .dat :

Here is a little weird some times … Don’t ask me why but it’s a fact.
You generated a mycmp_cons_fix.dat. So open it in xvi32.
As you can see you have sections.

Root .....
.....
.....
.....
zomgbayz01....
.....
.....
.....
..............€?
..............€?
..............€?

You have to add a section at the beginning.

without

Save your cmp in utf editor and just test it in hardcmp.

Open the cmp with flmodeltools.exe and just save it, without doing any modifications.

Thank you, I bookmarked and downloaded and will play with this as soon as I have the chance to do so. More questions coming I’m sure

Nova wrote:

z_shadow_1.sur Root
z_shadow_2.sur zomgbayz01
z_shadow_3.sur zomgbayz02
z_shadow_4.sur zomgbayz03
z_shadow_5.sur zomgbayz04
z_shadow_6.sur zomgbayz05
z_shadow_7.sur zomgbayz06
z_shadow_8.sur zomgbayz07
z_shadow_9.sur zomgbayz08
z_shadow_10.sur zomgbayz09
z_shadow_11.sur zomgbayz10
z_shadow_12.sur zomgbayz11
z_shadow_13.sur zomgbayz12
z_shadow_14.sur zomgbayz13
............

Where is this from? I need to imagine the future parts or what?

it’s in the ini.ini present in the hitbox_tools.rar
take a look at it
you have to fill it with as many parts you have done

edit : and of course change the names to match to your cmp