Brrr and wut wit TLR?

I mean that as fragile and small as the FL community is at this point (I mean, cmon, 268 people playing on 98 servers) there shouldn’t be such a split that a person takes an entire community with it and causes a huge split.

The only drama since I started to re-build up TLR happened right here on this thread. Comments from people which stated to prefer to see the site gone for good or people made personal statements against me even going so far suggesting that i would probably use illegal methods to harm TSP or other FL sites are completely out of order.
Azza has handed over the site to me (thx for that) and many people from TLR and from other communities want to see TLR back and are willing to help. In fact right now there are 4 FL communities working together to get this Project on its feet. As far as i remember there has been no other cooperation of this kind in the past 3-4 years, so talking about a split FL community is getting somewhat relative these days.
Unlike others i dont like to see a FL community dying and unlike others i dont always think about the personal benefit of my own site. Nobody of you needs to like what happens at TLR right now but… maybe… just maybe you might remember when you blamed me not to support your projects. Exactly the same situation (which btw. happened before several times).

So here is my suggestion:
Those ppl which have a problem that we build up lancersreactor again should stay away from that site and such discussions once any forever, since TLR obviously is not your business anymore.
All others… the people which want to support us… the people which are actually interested in the Freelancer community instead of only being interested in TSP… these people clearly free to be part of our “community project” and can of course benefit from it.

If you disagree with this suggestion and think that your personal views are more important than the FL community then feel free to continue this drama here… your loss.

Oh… and one more thing (since i think it has to be said before i leave this place again)…
Those which blame me for not sharing something here should better ask themselves when they went to www.swat-portal.com www.freelancercommunity.net, lancersreactor.org or one of the many other sites out there to share something with the people over there. Sharing should probably work in more than just one direction.

Thank you for reading
goodbye

This is a split, except if you don’t view TSP as a freelancer community site that is. I do wish you luck in rebuilding the FL community, but I would like to see this split between TSP and TLR to come to an end.

Several people has to let their personal views to waste for this to happen, and I doubt this will actually happen.

Actually, the split is definately not coming from our end.

We are not afraid of letting people link to other places and websites.

I think what will mostly encourage any split within the FL community is Swat’s and now TLR’s seperate community network bar.

of course only the others are guilty
I guess I have my answer to that suggestion already

I didn’t sense any drama in this thread OP, but now the tone seems to have changed. Those are some harsh and uncompromising words delivered in the form of what seems to be an ultimatum. Chill out man, no need to turn general chit chat into a flamefest. Cue blood, snot and all kinds of french. Should I go and fetch the soapbox?

No, I dont have a problem with you building up TLR again.

What I do have a problem with is you placing sentiments in peoples minds that TSP is a bad site which doesnt care for the FL community.

Sauce on that pl0x.

…and i dont like when ppl claim i would do illegal stuff and intent to damage other FL communities.

I came to this thread because of some unfair and wrong statements that previously have been done on that thread.
I have stated what is going on at TLR right now, what our intentions are and what people willing to help can expect from the new lancersreactor. In no way I have done any threats towards TSP or its members aswell as I have not set an ultimatum. I made a suggestion/offer. You are free to accept it for the good of the FL community or you can continue to twist my words and blame me for using a different community bar (if that is your only concern). Ever considered that our websites have different needs?

or you can continue to twist my words

my only fear is that those people will side with OP and cause havoc for sites that are in “competition” with TLR and/or Swat.

…and i dont like when ppl claim i would do illegal stuff and intent to damage other FL communities.

Glasshouse?

What the hell?

Could someone please explain to me what another persons beliefs about OP has to do with the real OP?

Also, OP, please stay for a little while, maybe we can settle this in an another way than split.

w0dk4: Blaming someone else for the split is exactly what we DON’T need if trying to get the FL community together.

…who ever throws the first stone
make sure to read the comments about me and tlr BEFORE i made my first post

yep right… they side with me to cause havoc… that is of course our intention… and of course i am a person which would allow such ppl to side with me so they can cause that havoc in the name of TLR and SWAT

guess what… you are right
The FL community is split and no matter how much I try to change that situation some people will never allow me to succeed.
So I stop trying, at least here.

Stay OP.

I want this community to become one again, but first off I need you and a few others here with me.

My guess Wolfie would be that there’s much more to this than meets the eye, I haven’t observed much in the way of hostility towards people around here, but when this guy shows up the s h i t always seems to hit the fan.

Whatever it is he’s said or done, it obviously runs deep, and for those of us that just kick around here without knowledge of all the background noise, we’ll never understand it. I don’t know about you, but if I knew I was not welcome somewhere, and that the only thing that could come of me showing up there would be trouble, I wouldn’t go there, unless of course I was intent on causing trouble.

Certainly beginning to get a picture of what all this “drama” stuff is about, seems to begin with O and end in P. Still, having said that, I’ve no personal reason to dislike the guy, but I like this place and so feel a certain loyalty towards the people who make it possible for me to be here.

Also, they’ve helped me out, bitch slapped me, flamed me, corrected my grammar on occasion (you know who you are punks) and generally made me realise I’m clueless about most things except how to constuct and throw a mud pie on occasion. What more can you ask for?

Timmy51m: I’ve been here for years, yes, periods of inactivity (I just got back from one), but I’ve seen the development here in person. I think I have the knowledge to speak about this and free my opinion.

I side with noone in this case to be honest, I want them to get along.

EDIT: Just to clear up, this is mainly following conflicts after TLR split, and later codesharing issues.

I’m not saying its OPs fault TLR split.

You’re not entitled to an opinion, the only opinion that matters is mine. Your periods of inactivity are unacceptable, your knowledge is insufficient, there was no TLR split and there were no codesharing issues. Nothing is clear. Oh the drama!

Trololol. I get your point though, this is quite dramaqueen action.

This “us vs them” mentality really sounds like one odd false dichotomy, wouldn’t you say? For some reason, TSP is antagonized against everyone else. How curious…

I’m sorry, but no, I don’t spend a lot of time on other sites. I have a lot to do and TSP is enough for me. Does that make me biased? Obviously, I started this site. Does that make me evil, does it make me not care? Hell no. I don’t even see how you can say those words and mean them. If you want to expand this sentiment to all the people around here, well I’m sorry but this is a community. I’m not going to force anyone to go anywhere. The FLCN has links to all major sites and many minor ones, TSP’s never removed, altered or edited links or references to any other site. I don’t exactly see what we could do more bar just disappearing and merging into whatever other site there is. Is that what you want? Sharing goes both ways, I shall point out. We’ve done a lot, I think, but we haven’t received any request or any suggestion, not a darn thing.

As for the illegality comment, you very, very well know what w0dk4 was talking about and are just grasping at straws trying to cast us in a bad light for some reason I do not exactly comprehend. You’ve always been the antagonizing one and we’ve let you voice your opinion on our site. Many people tell me we shouldn’t be so lenient. Who’s right?

AzzA wrote:
Op asked for domain db etc. I said yes there is 0 conspiracy or drama this time. I am closing out and hopefully this time I can stay out. Good luck here and good luck to op.

some names

chips,wodka,ors,zap,30mc,ein,torch,[crazy –-pssst see you on msn ;p],minion,klesk,ibanez,radorak,silver surfer And chakotay.

l8erz

Holy crap theres some names I havent seen for a while lol Wonder how most of those guys are doing…

Also.

i expected FF and OP actually to be sensible enough to let each other alone. (sry on this comment)
i have to agree, to me, too, OP often seemed to be somewhat aggressive and yes, even arrogant and/or proud a bit more than i’d like s.o. to be. but you know what? who cares! we are not here to become friends, we are not even here to like each other personally. the reason we are here is the survival of FL. agree with that not every part of the community works for his neighbour part. it is fact and it won’t be easy and fast to undo this changes. the most stupid thing we can do now is blaming each other for that. we might not have understood this, but OP recently did most sensible of all: he left this thread and got back to the usual work in sense of keeping FL on its feet. we might be angry, we might dislike what he said of us and his behavior, but that is only because we do not understand him entirely. maybe he doesn’t understand us, too. the best thing FF could do now is, as well, closing this thread and get back to the work he did before and to piece we had before.

and no, spare your replies about “but i don’t get, why HE does so” or “yea, but its HIS fault”. neither “no, its THEIR/YOUR fault”. we had enough of this.