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FriendlyFire wrote:
@Wolfie: I’d disagree with that. ALEs are seen as some sort of arcane art, but I don’t exactly see why. Unlike SURs, we have tools that work effectively and reliably, and the syntax is simple and clear once you’ve wrapped your head around it.

You’re saying someone in this community understands ALE files 100%? I disagree personally.

The basic stuff with emitters, appearance etc… Sure, but there are some stuff in ALEs that doesn’t make any difference at all.

@Nova:
Dude… You should know how to get along with what you got, and not always cry for the best…
“I want this, I don’t like that, this is not exactly what I asked, I want it 1:1…”
You have beams. Thats not what you saw, but its the best you can get without having experience with ALEs.

What you saw is, I assume, is deep ALE editing. You should find out more insted of asking and bragging all the time… I think the mod you should look for is Reballance, the latest version.

No, that’s not what I want. I care not for fame and fortune (otherwise I wouldn’t be running a site for a near-forgotten 7-year old game ). I want people to UNDERSTAND what they are doing, not just drone out the same tutorials over and over. You don’t make great modders that just follow orders. It doesn’t work that way.

However, I see that you are unwilling to think. If you want to make ALEs, you also need to see how they work conceptually. Plugging in random numbers is not how it should be done! Either you really want to do it and you invest time and effort into the job, or you don’t want to do it, and you should just say so right now to avoid wasting everybody’s time. The question I’ve asked has a simple answer, one that should come to you if you try to think about the concept behind how particle effects work. You’ve worked with 3ds Max already, didn’t you? How would you make a beam effect there?

@Wolfie: By the same token, nobody understands anything because we do not fully understand everything. That’s a false dichotomy. You can know something, master something even, without having perfect and absolute knowledge. We have enough knowledge about ALEs to do almost anything. We probably know over 80% of the format and we can work with it handily enough. I don’t see why you want things to be so black and white. Stop propagating the myths about ALEs being hard and maybe we’ll finally see more ALE editing, which is right now sorely lacking.

I think its not right to play for or sell freelancer resources…

Err, no. Money won’t get you anywhere here.

Seriously, Nova, I think this goes to show I won’t give you the effect. I told you I’d help you learn, but you aren’t willing to learn. A student wouldn’t bribe the teacher into giving him a copy of the homework!

If you’re so blind as not to understand what I’m trying to do, then I’ll just tell you that there’s a similar prototype in SWWT 1.3 and above, attached to the mining laser. I’m sure you can dig up the ALE from there and yes, I allow you to take it apart. I’m not sure about letting you use it directly, however.

I had expected better, though, and you’ll realize it’s flawed on many levels.

Well no, because you haven’t answered using particle effects. ALEs are particle effects. You have emitters - sources that create particles - and appearances - how the particles look like. Then you have fields - things that affect how particles behave. All three have parallels within Max: emitters and appearances are described by particle effects, while fields are space warps.

The rest works just the same. You have settings you need to tweak to give the particles the appearance you desire. I would in fact bet that the original developers used 3ds Max or something fairly similar to first design their particle emitters. The values inside the ALEs aren’t clean enough to be manual work, so they had to have some form of visual editor.

I ask again: how would you do a beam in 3ds Max using strictly particles and space warps?

FriendlyFire wrote:
Those aren’t beam weapons, they’re just elongated single shots. In beam_effects.ini, make some code like this:

[BeamSpear]
nickname = put_your_name_here
tip_length = ; Put a large number there
tail_length = ; Put a large number there
head_width = ; Play with this, makes the beam wider
core_width = ; Play with this, makes the beam wider
tip_color = ; RGB color
core_color = ; RGB color
outter_color = ; RGB color
tail_color = ; RGB color
head_brightness = ; Play with this, makes the head stuff more apparent
trail_brightness = ; Likewise, makes the trail more apparent
head_texture = ; Can be star or ball
trail_texture = ; Can be thin or wide
flash_size = ; Increase to make a big flash when you fire the weapon

this is actually all you need. i got effects ofc not as great as the ones in FF’s video, but far enough for my current purposes:
i have the tip length equal with tail length and core width (and comparably small), a huge core length, head width small, the sec_core width even a quarter of the core width, a star head texture, a wide trail texture and a flash size of three times the core width.
{right click - show image for full resolution, ofc}

Anyone else thinking this?

OR is that just me.

Im stayin outa this one now… i made the Nova sad……

Nova wrote:
Gisteron, make a screenshot when you moving guns

you know what? i won’t. try out, do it yourself, find the balance of effect and refire rate that you wish. your other option is to learn how to ale.

whether you ever will get it or not, there is no perfect beam method. even in FF’s video the only reason you saw an entire beam, was the slow motion of the gun and a high refire rate. you can see it on the energy bar (knowing form the guns list, that only one weapon fires).