Shield drag

Hell yeah… stack em Adoxa im sure us modders can balance a few drag params out if we have to… and im sure we’ll have to … hehe

as always… dam fine

How about the mass from the cargo being carried? That would add a new twist of transporting say farm equipment, the mass would get added to the ships total mass. It would make it so small items such as diamonds wouldnt affect your ship handling. From my own experiments using mass it makes the Newtonians physics much more noticeable once it hits around 500.

best would be all sort of equipment and cargo. so as player you have always to deside and to balance between agility, strength and economical efficiency. in combination with equipment taking cargo space that is really an interesting concept

[d]Like this idea alot. Just one question. does it work with negative values ?[/d] With a little infocard editing the Sheildmount could be named a “Weight Reduction Kit” or something like and improves the speed of the ship. hhmmm, lots of possibilities.

Ice

Edit - open your eyes Iceman, it says it in the first post :roll:

which brings me to another thought (thanks):
rather than linear_drag, what about the mass value of equipment and cargo to be added to the ship’s mass? guess that would be even better, as the max speed in space is not depending on how much you carry but the acceleration and deceleration speeds are. any way, adoxa? no hurry though xD

LancerSolurus wrote:
How about the mass from the cargo being carried? That would add a new twist of transporting say farm equipment, the mass would get added to the ships total mass. It would make it so small items such as diamonds wouldnt affect your ship handling. From my own experiments using mass it makes the Newtonians physics much more noticeable once it hits around 500.

This.

Weight reduction kit should result in a thinning of the armor of a vessel (not related to what LS said, what someone else said)

However, making the mass of objects cumulative offers much more flexibility. You want better weapons? The offset is cost. You want more power, bigger shield generators, etc? You want to carry lots of missiles to minimise energy drain from having high powered weapons - if they added mass (can do the volume) this again offers more flexibility.

The trade offs between adding equipment and making your ship more powerful but slower and with worse handling vs having a lighter craft which has lower everything but can run circles around you. Offers balance between ships classes.

adoxa wrote:
Should have just left it on TLR…

Okay, rather than adding linear_drag to individual objects, I’ll just add it to the root, for all objects. Then I could modify the linear drag calculation to run through all equipment, not just the first engine (and shield). Likewise, when it gets the mass of the ship, I’ll add in the mass of all the equipment & cargo. Since mass is already part of every object, and its default is 100, I was thinking I might treat 100 as 0, in case changing the default might have consequences elsewhere.

Sorry - think it’s a case of something different appears, and everyone has their own take / view on what could/should/would be great for their personal taste

In the end, I’m not really making any mods, so my POV is irrelevant

I also think it a shame to satisfy everyone’s whims, adoxa, when it may not be used by many.

I know you are being kind and are genuinely interested in solving some of these requests - but for a real challenge and satisfying many more modders, how about our Sur generator or exporter plugin for MilkShape?

Or better still a set of importers and exporters for 3DS Max?!

I have problems to get shielddrag to work.

I added shielddrag.dll to dacom.ini & dacomsrv.ini, added a linear_drag = <drag>value to [ShieldGenerator] section.

Also common.dll should be 1.1 cause other dll´s require them too.
Reshacker shows :
FILEVERSION 1,0,1254,11
PRODUCTVERSION 1,0,1254,11

As you can see from the code below, impulse speed should be 72000/599 = 120, with shield mounted it should be 72000/(599+160) = 95

Any help or suggestions appreciated.

dacom.ini
[Libraries]
...
ShieldDrag.dll
...

dacomsrv.ini
[Libraries]
...
ShieldDrag.dll
...

shiparch.ini (too see how i did the shields)
...
[Ship]
ids_name = 466656
ids_info = 459669
ids_info1 = 459671
ids_info2 = 66608
ids_info3 = 459670
ship_class = 1
hp_mount_group = default_and_heavy
dock_group = heavy
nickname = unicornz
msg_id_prefix = gcs_refer_shiparch_pirf
mission_property = can_use_berths
LODranges = 0, 5000
type = FIGHTER
DA_archetype = Ships\unicornz\unicornz.cmp
material_library = Ships\unicornz\unicornz.mat
material_library = fx\envmapbasic.mat
envmap_material = envmapbasic
fuse = intermed_damage_smallship01, 0.000000, 550
fuse = intermed_damage_smallship02, 0.000000, 275
fuse = intermed_damage_smallship03, 0.000000, 183
max_bank_angle = 75
camera_offset = 12, 44
camera_angular_acceleration = 0.060000
camera_horizontal_turn_angle = 20
camera_vertical_turn_up_angle = 10
camera_vertical_turn_down_angle = 20
camera_turn_look_ahead_slerp_amount = 1.000000
nanobot_limit = 60
shield_battery_limit = 60
hold_size = 40
hit_pts = 81000
cockpit = ships\unicornz\unicornz.ini
;pilot_mesh = generic_pilot
mass = 150.000000
linear_drag = 1
explosion_arch = explosion_li_fighter
surface_hit_effects = 0, small_hull_hit_light01, small_hull_hit_light02, small_hull_hit_light03
surface_hit_effects = 150, small_hull_hit_medium01, small_hull_hit_medium02, small_hull_hit_medium03
surface_hit_effects = 300, small_hull_hit_heavy01, small_hull_hit_heavy02, small_hull_hit_heavy03
steering_torque = 16700, 16700, 16700
angular_drag = 10000, 10000, 10000
rotation_inertia = 1000, 1000, 1000
nudge_force = 30000.000000
strafe_force = 20000
strafe_power_usage = 2
num_exhaust_nozzles = 2
HP_tractor_source = HpTractor_Source
shield_link = l_elite_shield01, HpMount, HpShield01, HpEngine01, HpLic, Hppu, Hppc, Hpxx, HpCloak01
hp_type = hp_freighter_shield_special_1, HpLic
hp_type = hp_freighter_shield_special_3, Hppu
hp_type = hp_freighter_shield_special_4, Hppc
hp_type = hp_freighter_shield_special_5, Hpxx
hp_type = hp_gun_special_10, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06, HpWeapon07, HpWeapon08, HpWeapon09, HpWeapon10
hp_type = hp_gun_special_9, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06, HpWeapon07, HpWeapon08, HpWeapon09, HpWeapon10
hp_type = hp_gun_special_8, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06, HpWeapon07, HpWeapon08, HpWeapon09, HpWeapon10
hp_type = hp_gun_special_7, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06, HpWeapon07, HpWeapon08, HpWeapon09, HpWeapon10
hp_type = hp_gun_special_6, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06, HpWeapon07, HpWeapon08, HpWeapon09, HpWeapon10
hp_type = hp_gun_special_5, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06, HpWeapon07, HpWeapon08, HpWeapon09, HpWeapon10
hp_type = hp_gun_special_4, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06, HpWeapon07, HpWeapon08, HpWeapon09, HpWeapon10
hp_type = hp_gun_special_3, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06, HpWeapon07, HpWeapon08, HpWeapon09, HpWeapon10
hp_type = hp_gun_special_2, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06, HpWeapon07, HpWeapon08, HpWeapon09, HpWeapon10
hp_type = hp_gun_special_1, HpWeapon01, HpWeapon02, HpWeapon03, HpWeapon04, HpWeapon05, HpWeapon06, HpWeapon07, HpWeapon08, HpWeapon09, HpWeapon10
hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_10, HpShield01
hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_9, HpShield01
hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_8, HpShield01
hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_7, HpShield01
hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_6, HpShield01
hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_5, HpShield01
hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_4, HpShield01
hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_3, HpShield01
hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_2, HpShield01
hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_1, HpShield01
;hp_type = hp_fighter_shield_special_1, HpCloak01
hp_type = hp_thruster, HpThruster01, HpThruster02
hp_type = hp_mine_dropper, HpMine01
hp_type = hp_countermeasure_dropper, HpCM01
hp_type = hp_torpedo_special_1, HpTorpedo01, HpTorpedo02
hp_type = hp_torpedo_special_2, HpTorpedo01, HpTorpedo02
...

engine_equip.ini
...
[Engine]
nickname = Razor_engine
ids_name = 459021
ids_info = 1
mass = 10
max_force = 72000
linear_drag = 599
power_usage = 0
reverse_fraction = 0.200000
flame_effect = gf_co_smallengine01_fire
trail_effect = gf_co_smallengine01_trail
trail_effect_player = gf_co_smallengine01_playtrail
cruise_charge_time = 5
cruise_power_usage = 20
character_start_sound = engine_pi_fighter_start
character_loop_sound = engine_pi_fighter_loop
character_pitch_range = -50, 25
rumble_sound = rumble_pi_fighter
rumble_atten_range = -5, 0
rumble_pitch_range = -25, 25
engine_kill_sound = engine_pi_fighter_kill
cruise_start_sound = engine_bw_cruise_start
cruise_loop_sound = engine_bw_cruise_loop
cruise_stop_sound = engine_bw_cruise_stop
cruise_disrupt_sound = cruise_disrupt
cruise_backfire_sound = cruise_backfire
indestructible = false
outside_cone_attenuation = -3
inside_sound_cone = 60
outside_sound_cone = 400
max_cruise_speed = 900
...

st_equip.ini
...
[ShieldGenerator]
nickname = Sappara_hf
ids_name = 460233
ids_info = 459470
DA_archetype = equipment\models\st\li_refractor_shield.3db
material_library = equipment\models\li_equip.mat
HP_child = HpConnect
hit_pts = 92000
explosion_resistance = 0.800000
debris_type = debris_normal
parent_impulse = 20
child_impulse = 80
volume = 0.000000
mass = 20
regeneration_rate = 1270
max_capacity = 248538.829688
toughness = 111
hp_type = hp_elite_shield_special_10
offline_rebuild_time = 5
offline_threshold = 0.150000
constant_power_draw = 8
rebuild_power_draw = 8
shield_type = S_impervious
shield_collapse_sound = shield_offline
shield_rebuilt_sound = shield_rebuilt
shield_hit_effects = 0, gf_pi_shield01
shield_hit_effects = 100, gf_pi_shield02
shield_hit_effects = 500, gf_pi_shield03
separation_explosion = sever_debris
LODranges = 0, 20
lootable = true
linear_drag = 160
...

```</drag>

adoxa wrote:
Only the first shield applies, which I guess doesn’t have linear drag. You’ll have to wait for the enhanced version, which will work with all external equipment.

Thx for quick reply Adoxa. If i have to wait, fine, nps.

Just thought above configuration shows that it´s the 1st shield and that it´s mounted on HpShield01. What am i missing here ?

adoxa wrote:

hp_type = hp_freighter_shield_special_1, HpLic
hp_type = hp_freighter_shield_special_3, Hppu
hp_type = hp_freighter_shield_special_4, Hppc
hp_type = hp_freighter_shield_special_5, Hpxx

```These are also [ShieldGenerators], no?

Correct, these are additional tweaked ShieldGenerators to mount License, shieldcap(additional max_capacity), power_cell(negative rebuild_power_draw), power_generator(negative constant_power_draw)

The Ships Shield is mounted on HpShield01 and linked via :
shield_link = l_elite_shield01, HpMount, HpShield01, HpEngine01, HpLic, Hppu, Hppc, Hpxx, HpCloak01

So for me it´s the first shield, isnt it ???

EDIT: tested a bit more, placed a drag on all addtional ShieldGen´s. Turned out that it works on the HpLic one. Looks like there some internal resorting about what´s the first shield, not in which order it´s defined on the shield link and not on which Hardpoint it is.

Guess i just wait till you finish the version for all Equip.

Highest value of ‘toughness’ maybe?

I’m bumping this because I’m curious if you ever were able to get the expanded version of this done. Having this plugin only work correctly with one shield is very limiting for what I need it for.

Edit:

After some more thorough testing, this plugin works even with an arbitrary amount of shields mounted to the ship. However, as stated before in this thread, the effects do not stack if you have multiple ships with different linear_drag values. For my purposes this works well enough, but it would be nice if they stacked.

You’re a lifesaver adoxa! I had no idea you even made these. Thanks a lot.

Thats great Adoxa !!!

The equipdrag opens a lot of oppotunities, thx m8

Iceman

Thx Adoxa. Waited for this Great great work.

note: If you apply a negative value for linear_drag of a mounted
equip you´ll get the expected higher topspeed and manuver advantages.
But if you do engine-kill, the ship accel up to the maximum speed
of the game (defined by ANOM_LIMITS_MAX_VELOCITY in constants.ini)
Think the best way is to use the lineardrag Plugin for “downside” effects on armor upgrades or equal…
But… These are just my two cents.

Anyways: Greetings and thank you for this one…
(Another masterpiece of the FL-Wizzard Adoxa)