[The Starport News]Acquisition of an old domain

Dave.Synk wrote:
But the current isn’t ? As from my point of view, the only Lancer’s Reactor will remain the existent one, and not the new (well old) domain you acquired. It might be a great achievement though, but think about this… do you really expect TLR members to come to join the “new” one that is hosted by TSP ?

Why do people assume it is only to try and steal members? Utterly baffled by this perception. Members post on places they want to. If people want to post on a site, they post on a site. If they don’t, they don’t. You can’t “steal” members… so where is this perception coming from? :roll:

By the simple fact that there can’t exist two domains having the same name. In our case, we will have TLR.com and TLR.org… what point exists in this ?

Look, the TLR should be viewed in this way: It holds the archive and any news that gets posted. This is how it is and how it should be. It will serve the global FL community at large… even if its not as big as it once was.

Let the TLR rest finally, the community that it once held has dispersed and is mixed into other communities…

The perception that TLR has a community still is silly… TLR.org has old members from TLR.com But SO does this site. Does that mean we are BOTH TLR Communities? No. It simply means we all found a different “home”

You can think what you like, about us having “hidden” motives etc… You can bet your best sunday dress and a packet of minstrels that we are being as transparent about everything as possible. You may think this was only done for members… Um hello? What part of “We are doing this as a service to everyone because we feel its right to do so” If we get members out of it… so what! Its a GOOD THING if we do, it shows us that there are STILL people out there that are interested in the same thing we are… Freelancer.

/2 cents

Dave.Synk wrote:
By the simple fact that there can’t exist two domains having the same name. In our case, we will have TLR.com and TLR.org… what point exists in this ?

Why does it HAVE to be the same website? Just because it shares a name does NOT mean its the same website. by ANY stretch of the imagination.

It’s like looking at two cups that are identical but different in colour, you may or may not prefer one over the other, or you might like them just the same, either way, they are different.

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I’ve edited this because people may read my post and comment.

Simply put - read what w0dka and Friendlyfire write below. Explained - it’s simple, fair, and decent

So you’ve heard reasons, but I dont necessarily agree they are the primary reasons why we wanted to secure the TLR.com domain and not have it direct to TLR.org:

I think the primary reason for doing so is that users coming to TLR.org get a filtered view on the Freelancer community. Not only is TLR.org heavily biased towards Swat/Crossfire, it also actually censors our site. I can also name a lot of other reasons but they would be more on a personal level.

Now, I think that with TLR.com being with us, we can give old returning as well as new visitors a very open minded view on the FL community. The richly filled community bar links to almost any FL site, and the news are the latest in Freelancer development. I’d hate seeing all these users lost to a community that is run by a person that thinks we want to destroy FL.

Indeed. People can arrive on the TLR.com landing page and go anywhere from there. It’s their decision. They can go to TLR.org if they want, or FLC, or here, or Discovery, or SWAT-Portal or anywhere really. It gives them the choice and lets them know the community is widespread and still very much alive. We don’t censor site names on bullshit accusations - I thought we’d went past this after the AzzA days.

TLR.org is free to continue to exist as they already were. To them, nothing has changed. I can also guarantee you that we won’t try to transform TSP in TLR.com or something; the domain will remain a gateway to access the rest of the community and the archives. To find answers, friends, and servers.

So pure, untainted, and equal function for all - even better than I thought and sounding about as fair as it can be

So Lancersreactor.com won’t be “the centre of the Freelancer universe” - which seemed to annoy people with the really old version of it (and I assume people thought it would try to be again), and it won’t have direct community of it’s own to get embroiled in issues either.

It will simply be a landing and linking place for all Freelancer communities, providing a centralised repository and news location.

Link to ModDB too?

Congratulations on what you have achieved and what you are doing.

MAYBE…. You can install a SNS app on the domain so TLR.com can be a player playground.

I am aware of the “legendary” conflict between TSP and TLR and from my point of view this is intended to be a hit to the current TLR portal (at least half of the intention is to hit TLR). But again, It is not normal to have 2 TLR on the web. Imagine if the TSP had a clone with .org or whatever domain it could be, think about how the community would’ve felt when they see the clone created. All their work, all their efforts and so on. Just give it a picture. On a second note, about TLR.org activity. I need to say the contrary and not that I am part of TLR, but I daily watch it’s activity on the forums, registered members (again daily registered members), and even the gallery which is very up-to-date as well and should I say that TLR is working on it’s official mod ?. In my opinion OP tries very hard to maintain 2 very big FL networks which share a huge amount of resources for modding, and his job is being kept difficult because of some issues that happened long time ago. I respect you for what you achieved here, I really missed the old domain, since it was for me the source where I heard for the first time the word “mod” for a game. And think of the work put into the current TLR, I don’t want to create inflammatory topics because I know as I said before, the eternal conflict… and well no side want’s to make steps to a close collaboration.

Read this thread and i do not post as much as other Freelancer followers. If any “forum” aquires something good for Freelancer to improve Freelancer then what is the problem ? The problem is always the same posters saying there is hidden agendas stealing other posters and members of communitys. “HELLO” posters jump from community to community to gather information and expand there playing/ modding experience. I am a player not a modder or anything else just a player every step forward within the community is always followed with distrust and arguments “Grow Up” we are going forward not backwards. I will now depart to the just reading and enjoying learning about everything i can i suggest everyone can do the same.

(PS) Is there is a secret Starport mod in the pipeline sign me up

Dave.Synk wrote:
I am aware of the “legendary” conflict between TSP and TLR and from my point of view this is intended to be a hit to the current TLR portal (at least half of the intention is to hit TLR). But again, It is not normal to have 2 TLR on the web. Imagine if the TSP had a clone with .org or whatever domain it could be, think about how the community would’ve felt when they see the clone created. All their work, all their efforts and so on. Just give it a picture. On a second note, about TLR.org activity. I need to say the contrary and not that I am part of TLR, but I daily watch it’s activity on the forums, registered members (again daily registered members), and even the gallery which is very up-to-date as well and should I say that TLR is working on it’s official mod ?. In my opinion OP tries very hard to maintain 2 very big FL networks which share a huge amount of resources for modding, and his job is being kept difficult because of some issues that happened long time ago. I respect you for what you achieved here, I really missed the old domain, since it was for me the source where I heard for the first time the word “mod” for a game. And think of the work put into the current TLR, I don’t want to create inflammatory topics because I know as I said before, the eternal conflict… and well no side want’s to make steps to a close collaboration.

You know, TLR building an official TLR mod is also something I believe is wrong on many fronts. We dont create “official” Starport mods because that would get us in trouble sooner or later. Everybody gets the same support over here, no matter if you’re official or not.

No offense, but I’ve seen a big PR machinery behind Continuum largely done by Op. Now, apart from station models the mod doesnt have a lot to show for, however Op talks about it as if it already surpassed many “standard” mods (which are not “officially” supported).

If you think this all fine - ok. I guess then we are just having a different mentality over here.

Back to topic, I want to re-iterate: TLR.com will be nothing put a portal to Freelancer community sites. We wont build another TLR community because that would be silly.

At least the intentions with the old domain are good. Because as I said and you’ve got my point, having 2 different domains doing the same job would look stupid. And regarding Continuum, OP put a hand to boost the mod. That isn’t a good thing ? PR is a good way to make your place into the big “arena” of the other mods. And when the PR is good the mod has bigger chances. And since Continuum is on a continuous development, thus it’s been shown the progress, doesn’t really matter if it’s done daily or monthly. And really there is no problem in having an official mod for each community from my perspective. Bigger communities, greater mods because of their resources and support. But that’s another topic do discuss about. Anyway I’m looking forward to see how the old domain will go further on. Good luck with it.

Dave.Synk wrote:
At least the intentions with the old domain are good. Because as I said and you’ve got my point, having 2 different domains doing the same job would look stupid. And regarding Continuum, OP put a hand to boost the mod. That isn’t a good thing ? PR is a good way to make your place into the big “arena” of the other mods. And when the PR is good the mod has bigger chances. And since Continuum is on a continuous development, thus it’s been shown the progress, doesn’t really matter if it’s done daily or monthly. And really there is no problem in having an official mod for each community from my perspective. Bigger communities, greater mods because of their resources and support. But that’s another topic do discuss about. Anyway I’m looking forward to see how the old domain will go further on. Good luck with it.

Thanks, and good luck with Continuum as well! Make sure to browse around here as well because otherwise you might miss some rather nice tools (i.e. the latest UTF editor).
Oh, and even if we dont agree with TLR’s way, you’re of course free to post news about Continuum!

I appreciate your support with our project. “You never know what you may find in your way” Hehe

Dave.Synk wrote:
I am aware of the “legendary” conflict between TSP and TLR and from my point of view this is intended to be a hit to the current TLR portal (at least half of the intention is to hit TLR). But again, It is not normal to have 2 TLR on the web. Imagine if the TSP had a clone with .org or whatever domain it could be, think about how the community would’ve felt when they see the clone created. All their work, all their efforts and so on. Just give it a picture. On a second note, about TLR.org activity. I need to say the contrary and not that I am part of TLR, but I daily watch it’s activity on the forums, registered members (again daily registered members), and even the gallery which is very up-to-date as well and should I say that TLR is working on it’s official mod ?. In my opinion OP tries very hard to maintain 2 very big FL networks which share a huge amount of resources for modding, and his job is being kept difficult because of some issues that happened long time ago. I respect you for what you achieved here, I really missed the old domain, since it was for me the source where I heard for the first time the word “mod” for a game. And think of the work put into the current TLR, I don’t want to create inflammatory topics because I know as I said before, the eternal conflict… and well no side want’s to make steps to a close collaboration.

Dave, simply I realised one thing You responded more to my post than w0dka or FriendlyFire’s - which wasn’t intended

I’ve edited to remove my post - so people don’t dwell on my opinion but instead w0dka/FF’s post - which is what matters.

I don’t see how .org can see .com as a threat, or competition. The way they’ve said it is going to be sounds ultimately fair, reasonable, and decent. By that I mean the purpose of .org is it’s own site (as most fl sites). The purpose of .com is anything but it’s own site. I hope those with a different opinion may see that in the future and therefore stop worrying

I am sure the old domain will be put in good use and rather ease the job of many modders around the FL communities, and well for the future of FL modding also. On a side note, I am not really interested into the many differences between these “sides”, because keeping an old game like FL active even today it’s … something ! And with these separations and arguments to each others brings no good not for the several individuals but for the entire FL community around the web. And I need to be honest that I am rather new to modding as this is my first experience as a 3D Modeller, and to be new to this whole new experience is really “hurting” to see people “under the same roof” arguing about … nonsense :D.

Dave.Synk wrote:
And I need to be honest that I am rather new to modding as this is my first experience as a 3D Modeller, and to be new to this whole new experience is really “hurting” to see people “under the same roof” arguing about … nonsense :D.

Well, welcome to modelling - I can’t even model a brick There are some good basic tuts out there (admittedly old) and lots of posts regarding modelling - across many sites. I hope you find resources that are useful, but as always, just ask away if you can’t, need help - or just want to thoughts, advice, or the sound of chatter

As for the fall outs - it is mostly differences in personal opinions - how things are perceived and thought of - or jumping to conclusions about implications. Take things with a pinch of salt and form your own opinions based on evidence and you’ll be fine.

I’d just point out that here allows (within reason of taste!) anything to be discussed - which is why it often is incorrectly copping flak (in my opinion) as this evidently isn’t for everyone’s taste

Have fun