[The Starport News]Acquisition of an old domain

Not to give any ideas, but the logical thing for OP to do now would be to get the TSP .com or .org domain and link them to TLR

Schmackbolzen wrote:
Not to give any ideas, but the logical thing for OP to do now would be to get the TSP .com or .org domain and link them to TLR

Op actually got the-starport.com (prior to us getting TLR.com) but not sure what he’s gonna do with it.

Huor wrote:
The community bar at SWAT does not show up in newer versions of FireFox or other newer browsers because i was not yet able to correct that. Thats one of the points that comes next on my list. Just to clear this issue. It shouldn’t be of any of your problems at all.

Glad to hear, I swore it worked not long ago - but I think Firefox updated last night to beta 5 - which explains it.

Huor wrote:
Next to that i don’t understand why you state that the .com address shall be used to offer a community for all, unbiased (sure?). Isn’t that also possible with the org. address? I can read there and i can read here - although i am not registered there. So its as open as here Saying also there is randomly some news - probable i don’t know. But wasn’t or isn’t that also the case here - I just need to scroll up a bit with a post asking “Why don’t you post news”

Hmm, I would let them answer this - but I feel it’s best giving my very very recent experience of “unbiased”.

I submitted news about lancersreactor.com domain being back for the Freelancer Community.

The news was published by an admin I assume (as it didn’t show when I submitted it), then moved forum, my post deleted, myself banned for violating the rules of the website by posting “lancersreactor.com” in the message body (not even hyperlinking I think?) for posting a forbidden domain and trying to get around the censorship (I didn’t but that’s not the point).

Furthermore, the mere mention of TSP or The Starport is impossible in posts, it informs you that you are trying to post a post with banned words and to change them. If you post any links, you are banned (or warned and then banned upon the second posting).

That is my personal experience within the last 24 hours

I’ve read repeated claims that here didn’t post news, but it does appear that there was an issue with the news submission system which they’ve now fixed (they weren’t aware of it) http://the-starport.net/freelancer/forum/viewtopic.php?post_id=44755#forumpost44755 - so there may be a “counter claim” - but one where “it was never received” vs “it was received, denied and the submitter banned”.

You can decide whether my news was ban-worthy, here it is. Is Op being unbiased and fair - bearing in mind, I’m just a Freelancer fan member - not an admin of any site itself. He could not have published the news instead of publishing it and turning into a public banning spectacle. But I digress

The news submitted to lancersreactor.org that resulted in being banned.

Finally the original domain name familiar to so many has been returned to the Freelancer community - through a generous, anonymous, donation

The original “Lancersreactor.com” domain name was lost during a turbulent time in the Freelancer community - where the person who controlled the domain passed it over to a third party who utilised it for anything other than Freelancer related material.

Now the domain is back within the Freelancer community once more! So those people bitten by nostalgia and checking out the domain will once more be directed to the Freelancer community, instead of into host advertising. The simple yet elegant community bar will help direct new and old alike to the various Freelancer communities, ensuring everyone benefits from the domains return.

This is great news, as the game approaches it’s 10th year since release!

w0dk4 wrote:
As said before, TLR.org censors us. As regards the TLR.org mod:

This community will officially support the development of a new Freelancer mod which has the apparently has the potential to become very successful. I’d like to officially welcome the members of the Alternative Universe mod project to TLR. We will sup…

And so on.

Also, Freeworlds is absolutely not the same. The services we use from The-Starport are not exclusive to us, anybody could get the same coverage and tools (news and forge repository).

To elaborate, Op’s TLR has a subsection dedicated to Continuum, and direct official support. FW:TOW intentionally keeps itself separate, with it’s own forums. While much of our team are admins here, we don’t monopolize TSP resources for ourselves. Anything we use on TSP for FW:TOW is also freely available to everyone else.

Ok - they said they will support the Alternative Universe mod. Something that you would do for any other mod here as well. He welcomed the team there. You would do the same here. So i assume TLR is also not only for TLR mods (does this actually exists) but also is open for anyone else who wishes to be there. This also applies here.

Where is the point?

Each site offers something to all outside who want to know something about FL. Let the people decide where they want to rest.

I would say it couldnt harm to be present at both sites in consideration to get as many attention as possible.

Huor wrote:
Each site offers something to all outside who want to know something about FL. Let the people decide where they want to rest.

Agree entirely…so I’m still at a loss why people are complaining about lancersreactor.com… I’m baffled at the logic of complaints, you say let people decide where they want to be, before implying that somehow that decision is being made for them.

I’ve still yet to understand the contention being shown.

Where is the point?

Each site offers something to all outside who want to know something about FL. Let the people decide where they want to rest.

I would say it couldnt harm to be present at both sites in consideration to get as many attention as possible.

You talk as if we censor TLR.org, but everybody is free to go over to

lancersreactor.org

This is the very point.

I dont know whats the fuss at all. Let away all your trouble with OP. If i am a modder, freelancer fan or server admin. I can register myself here and i can register myself there. I can go there and i can come here. If there is a ban of names or not. What would stop me from entering “www.the-starport.net” or “www.lancersreactor.org” in my browsers address bar? Are people just browsing through the web by klicking hyperlinks?

Probable a good start for both sites to start linking to each other… TSP to TLR and back.

About that TSP cencorship on TLR. I assume (i cannot clearly say because i am no member there) that it was established not without purpose - whatever happened has lead the admins to cencor this word. Maybe also fair draw to lift that name cencor - meanwhile.

Oh my god.
Now it is a crime supporting a mod? I just can’t believe what I see here.
Lancersreactor has supported 80% of all existing Freelancer mods. Many of them had their forum there. Now that is a crime? Something that you use to blame them?
They have not even said that other mods are not welcome anymore or wont receive the same support.

The majority of news here at Starport are about Freeworlds why don’t we start to judge about this? Take away all these news and you have not more news remaining than they do. Still you sit on your high horse to blame them and belittle them.

It is interesting how you rant about them all the time. I finally know that this place here is nothing for me. I’ll join lancersreactor.org. There I don’t get forced to use a community bar to take benefit of their services and don’t have to see such a respectless treatment of other communities.

Oh and just to let you know.
The net is full of hosting packages where you get a good website without access to its HTML code but with user interfaces where you can set up its content. That is the reason why I will not be able to put up such a community bar. I wouldn’t even want to do that anymore after reading all this crap.

In my eyes the lancersreactor.com is just your try to force others to use your community bar. Not more, not less. It is definitely not a try to help the Freelancer community. It purely helps Starport and instead of being beneficial for Freelancer it has just created a deep rift right through the Freelancer community. More damage than benefit.

Bye, I have no reason to stay here anymore.

Chips wrote:

I submitted news about lancersreactor.com domain being back for the Freelancer Community.

The news was published by an admin I assume (as it didn’t show when I submitted it), then moved forum, my post deleted, myself banned for violating the rules of the website by posting “lancersreactor.com” in the message body (not even hyperlinking I think?) for posting a forbidden domain and trying to get around the censorship (I didn’t but that’s not the point).

The news item was enabled by me as it seemed a good thing for the community, since the domain had been ‘lost’ for the last year.

Also I want to clear something up. Freelancer: Continuum is not a LancersReactor mod, but a mod like any other. The only difference is, that the mod has forums at lancersreactor.org instead of having their own like FW:TOW. It also receives support with any problems they may have, but nothing more.

Sethernis wrote:

Also I want to clear something up. Freelancer: Continuum is not a LancersReactor mod, but a mod like any other. The only difference is, that the mod has forums at lancersreactor.org instead of having their own like FW:TOW. It also receives support with any problems they may have, but nothing more.

Ah I see. Op made it sound like it actually is a TLR mod - my bad.

Funny, I just got an email from TLR because I had an account there back in the day.

This is Lancer’s Reactors new web address since meanwhile more than 3 years and home of our community. The step to move away from the old web address has become neccessary long time ago but all your user data as well as registration information are kept under our new address. We are shifting no information about your privacy back to lancersreactor.com. Eventual existing links to lancersreactor.com are therefore seen as archive information while we host the modding work - since numerous years as well as news about Starlancer and Freelancer at lancersreactor.org - your beloved Lancer source for information… Lancersreactor

This is the bit that made me wet myself. Read that, then deside who talks the most s**t.

Everything OP says or does is basically bull and the rest is lies, I’ve alway been a firm believer in that, that’s why I’ve never renewed my account since the switch over.

TSP has always been about the comunity, Yeah most of the admins if not all are involved in FW:ToW. But never do you see the mod being thrown in peoples faces all the time, the reason why they always have news up is because they actually take the time to post updates on it. That’s just good marketing. They are producing ground breaking stuff, there’s plenty to shout about.

Just my opinion, not very often I have one on stuff like this but meh, they emailed me bwahaha…

I’d like to add that we actually encourage others to post news as seen here http://the-starport.net/freelancer/forum/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4059

I’ve felt bad for the FW:ToW newsspam but if nobody else posts anything, then that’s all there is and doesnt really have anything to do with FW being a TSP mod.

Ahm sorry that i came up with that. I have not said it is a TSP mod. I know pretty well its not. I just said the impression could come up. Thats the same impression that came up with Continuum. Its not a TLR mod - they just use their sources same as FWTOW uses TSP sources. So let us all drop this issue.

Most of you lot just do not get it do you ? People wonder why the Freelancer community as a whole has decreased over the last 2 years. Let me enlighten you all feel free to ban me if you like. Threads like this drive away community members due to the bickering and general attitude and now we the community are ever more decreasing in size due to in fighting over what ? When Freelancer is gone i will think back upon this thread and shake my head with utter disgust at the way the community has fallen from the greatest on line space sim ever over bragging rights. Some times i wonder is it all worth it hanging around reading watching for the next great thing in Freelancer. I started off playing years ago most who encouraged me to try Freelancer have gone i stayed the last of my clan some say a die hard fan but now i am not so sure. I would like everyone to get along but it always falls on deaf ears typical Freelancer related. Will come back in a month or so and hope to see everyone getting along again Freelancer is in my heart shame the communitys have came to this.

Fuck this, I don’t know what’s wrong with people.

We will NEVER ban somebody merely because they’ve expressed an opinion. NEVER NEVER NEVER.

Stop acting like we’re evil despots hell-bent on suppressing dissenting thoughts. We are not.

As for the rest of the message, get off your high horse and do something about it if you think it’s so shameful. It’s very easy to condemn people from the spectators’ lodge.

Darkstalker wrote:
Oh my god.
Now it is a crime supporting a mod? I just can’t believe what I see here.
Lancersreactor has supported 80% of all existing Freelancer mods. Many of them had their forum there. Now that is a crime? Something that you use to blame them?
They have not even said that other mods are not welcome anymore or wont receive the same support.

A crime to support a mod? Who said anything about crime - what choo babbling on about However, a bit of info:

This point used to be a huge issue for some back in the day (no names, eh Op ). Centralisation of mods on the forums at Lancersreactor to the detriment of other communities is how people presented it - TLR trying to be the only location on the internet for Freelancer fans. Of course it was always just a service for those who didn’t have a central place, or service for those who requested it.

Darkstalker wrote:
The majority of news here at Starport are about Freeworlds why don’t we start to judge about this? Take away all these news and you have not more news remaining than they do. Still you sit on your high horse to blame them and belittle them.

Unfortunately there appeared to be issues with news submission method - which have been resolved. Who knows how many items were submitted that failed to make it through Oh well.

Darkstalker wrote:
It is interesting how you rant about them all the time. I finally know that this place here is nothing for me. I’ll join lancersreactor.org. There I don’t get forced to use a community bar to take benefit of their services and don’t have to see such a respectless treatment of other communities.

Who is ranting? No-one here is ranting… Some people are asking questions, and they’re getting responses. Honestly, read the thread with an open mind rather than a pre-determined one

Darkstalker wrote:
Oh and just to let you know.
The net is full of hosting packages where you get a good website without access to its HTML code but with user interfaces where you can set up its content. That is the reason why I will not be able to put up such a community bar. I wouldn’t even want to do that anymore after reading all this crap.

That, as ever, is your decision. Just in-case you got the wrong idea though - you can submit news to lancersreactor.com without having the community bar. You can register here, post on the forums, ask questions - all without having a community network bar. You can use the downloads, submit your own mod to the database - all without needing a community network bar…

Your focus upon the community bar is amusing and alarming.

You haven’t even said “is it not possible to put a single link to the network bar PAGE on my site?”.

Maybe they could accommodate people like yourself, but until people raise such concerns they may not be aware. I honestly don’t think that crossed your mind… then again, I’m not sure you’re motive for posting was a community bar. I think even if it didn’t exist, something else would be the issue instead

Darkstalker wrote:
In my eyes the lancersreactor.com is just your try to force others to use your community bar. Not more, not less. It is definitely not a try to help the Freelancer community. It purely helps Starport and instead of being beneficial for Freelancer it has just created a deep rift right through the Freelancer community. More damage than benefit.

Bye, I have no reason to stay here anymore.

It would appear your mind was made up loooooooong before you arrived here - but fair enough on your opinions. How it can possibly be forcing someone to use it when they can utilise it for news, downloads, hosting and more is weird. Rather than wait for a potential solution, you’re off…unsurprising
Hopefully you will, over time, be open to changing your opinion in the event you see evidence to the contrary - and hopefully you will

As for the guy saying he may get banned… seriously? This is a place where discussions are allowed and encouraged - it is what makes it fun to be here. If you go to far, they’ll let you know

They don’t start making or quoting random rules to ban people who offer a different opinion, or post a link… or mention a website. If you were scared that may happen here - then I fear it is sad reflection upon places you usually visit Hugs all round i say hug
I bet you’d never hear that elsewhere

Personally, I think that all of this drama stems from Lancersreactor being resurrected by OP. It’s caused nothing but hell since the day it happened. Why on earth OP didn’t just stay with the SWAT portal and leave the damn thing alone is beyond me.

All it’s done is open old wounds and if any one thing has caused a bigger rift in the freelancer community, it’s that single possibly ill considered action of bringing back Lancers.

The best possible outcome in my mind is to destroy the damned thing, and instead have it as a portal to the freelancer community as seems to be the intention for the old domain. It seems that there’s no one size fits all solution as to how to link to the community, but if there’s one single event that could take place to blow a hole in this dispute, then solving the community links problem would be it.

There appears to be two definate communities at play here, TSP and SWAT fighting over Lancers. Blow up the thing they’re fighting over and the dispute is over.

Sounds simple to me, however, I don’t expect anyone to agree.

So I think we should end this topic. All that needed to be said has been said. There’s no point debating this to death.

We’ll see what the future brings. Thread closed.