The Lancers Reactor and the Freelancer Community Network

This thread is off topic already

@OPR8R:

Even the TLR owner went to another community site (freelancercommunity.net) to claim that azza and knife are no TLR admins and that they have nothing to do with all the stuff going on there while they meanwhile used fake accounts (admin accounts) on TLR (eagle_one + sarge + TLR_tech1 + TLR_tech2).

No offence, but that’s old news. It was obvious from the start anyway, perhaps time to drop this one?

@OPR8R:

Not long later he told me that he could do massive damage to my site by destroying the sql databases. That shows pretty much that those words cant be taken serious.

He told or he threatened? Right now this is  back to Swat vs Azza

This is Starport + Toolbar + TLR isn’t it

i would let the Starport chose. And as as of OPR8R and Azza. Chips is right. This is turning into a fight between Swat and TLR. Not the topic at hand.

if logs and even screenshots have no meaning then nothing on this planet can prove anything
nothing that would be presented as proof would be valid in your eyes mk

in your eyes they can do whatever they want - treat ppl in the worst possible ways, lie, hack and do whatever they want
and no proof would ever by valid

or like chips you would call it “old stories”
those old stories aint old and even when stuff was obvious it still has been a lie
you always claim that it is SWAT vs TLR but that is not true… SWAT is just one of many FL communities which have problems with TLR and starport not long ago also had problems with TLR and i know for sure that several SP staff members still have these problems
To me it looks like some ppl like to stick their head into the sand and hope for the best no matter if that means to get kicked in the ass meanwhile.

It is also not true that i always had my problems with TLR
If you remember I was TLR admin once and have spent many weeks rebuilding the TLR site and fixing the bugs… i also have supported TLR in many other ways including donating money or establishing connections with game developers. Since november 07 i offered help to TLR serveral times and even defended mental half of you wanted him to leave TLR. I did this until the point he started to insult me for no reason (something which seems to be normal for that guy).
The problems started when the TLR staff decided to damage other FL communities. And it surprises me that some ppl which had a big part in the way how these troubles startes meanwhile claim that they have nothing to do with it anymore and that the problems are only between others.

Chips is right with one point… this thread has gone off topic again (partly to my fault) so i will stop it now.
you can keep sticking your head into the sand now and think that im a liar and that those screenshots that i posted and all the screenshots that other ppl have posted are not true and that knife, azza + mental are the only ppl that are not guilty

It’s time to kick ass and chew gum… and im all outta gum.

@ Cheese - I have a soundboard of that for work, along with Arnie and Cartman. Boss now hates talking to Arnie over the phone

I haven’t voted and won’t - there isn’t one with a “I have no view”. TBH it’s easy to remain angry or annoyed and dislike the people in charge of TLR but that’s going to achieve nothing. Whatever you guys decide is what I’ll go with instead

And it surprises me that some ppl which had a big part in the way how these troubles startes meanwhile claim that they have nothing to do with it anymore and that the problems are only between others.

I honestly don’t know what you are insinuating within your post, or if you are trying - I don’t know whom you’re talking about or why it’s relevant at all… or even what time period/frame this was in either.

By the way, I think it’s time you took a step back, a breathe and moved on mate…

Ive set up a new site just for TLR and their sick action against the FL community.
It will cover every detail, images and logs. The site is not 100% rdy… many threads are reserved others have already been used to show info. We will fill the board with all missing info… bit by bit.

Why did i create that page?
1. to show how TLR and their admins really are
2. to show those TLR guys that a phpbb board can look good unlike what they have created
3. to report about TLR without the need to use the SWAT forum
4. to have a link for everything important if you guys want to show other FL players what is really going on
5. to have a site that is hosted by a company which would go after every hacker that tries any shit on it (without me getting involved too much)
6. to give you the free chance to discuss and post your oppinions without disturbing other players or visitors of SWAT

Here is the link: tlrfacts.tk

if you made some experience with TLR you should register there and show us what they have done to you ^^

I don’t want to sound rude, but I don’t think that’s “normal”, you need to take some time off, sit back, forget about the worries and chill. Whilst it’s good you’re getting it off of your own forum - if you’re going on a vendetta like this, that’s the point to realise things are going to far (although I do have a semi-morbid curiosity to see what’s put up there :D)

Guys this poll was not put up to bring up bad blood anywhere, this poll was put up to see what the community as a whole wanted, so please keep it in that text.

Thanks.

Things already went too far when TLR started to hack and damage my site for no other reason than supporting a Starport staff member (or having contacts to that SP staff member)
That issue has been handed over to my lawyer meanwhile.

As long TLR is doing shit i will show it to the FL community by posting the logs and screenshots. Thats no vendetta. That is reporting the facts and hosting that site is a way to get this topic out of my forum.
Btw. I would welcome it if ppl would stop using fake accounts on my forum.

@OPR8R:

Things already went too far when TLR started to hack and damage my site for no other reason than supporting a Starport staff member (or having contacts to that SP staff member)
That issue has been handed over to my lawyer meanwhile.

As long TLR is doing shit i will show it to the FL community by posting the logs and screenshots. Thats no vendetta. That is reporting the facts and hosting that site is a way to get this topic out of my forum.
Btw. I would welcome it if ppl would stop using fake accounts on my forum.

Furry muff, I’ll read that site whenever it’s finished. I will keep an open mind as to the fact it’s a lone perspective, but it’ll fill holes that I’m unaware of - and I tend to get interested in that

As for fake accounts? What’s a fake account exactly? If you refer to me, my name isn’t actually Chips you know Whatever account I’m registered on has a real person behind it, so it aint fake

I’m going to stick with my abstension - don’t get me wrong - I questioned Azza’s apology, I think it needs proof more than words to prove his sorry, and that times changed - which requires time. I only registered on TLR to question his apology, I refuse to take part on that site - it doesn’t match with my personal viewpoints/feelings for a community site with how its run or people are treated.

Just the poll appears to have a door open or closed type response only. Be nice if a “not for now” was there

@FriendlyFire:

Since this is a community site and we are here to offer a service to that same community, it would be logical for the community itself to decide what should happen.

Yes, SWAT has a bias. So do I. So does everyone. What we need to decide is which bias to go for. And that’s not dependent solely on the Staff. It’s a community wide decision (for a community network, right?) and so it should be decided by the community. Hence this poll.

I don’t think we could find a definite conclusion on the matter without, as was said already, everyone included in the issues talking their hearts out without trying to lie, fake or cover things up. This, however, must be put in perspective: everyone isn’t AzzA, Mental, Knife and SWAT. Everyone means every single person who was part of the crisis, the issue. That means most of the major server admins, the Starport Staff altogether, many from SWAT Portal, etc. At this point, I think the damage, while not irreversible, is deeply rooted. It would be extremely complex (both psychologically and on an organization standpoint) to arrange such a meeting and get things done.

What must be decided can be summarized into this: do we give TLR a second chance? They have betrayed, damaged, stole, destroyed, attacked. However, it’s hard to condemn them forever. People change, they evolve. Yes, I know little time has passed and I also know it is hard to know whether their intentions were genuine in the last few “mistakes” they made. This is all a matter of trust, faith and respect.

To conclude, I will point out that polls have the very important point that everyone’s say is equal. Mine is like SWAT’s or like the newbie who never posted. Don’t let the debates blind you or manipulate you. Choose what you believe is the best option in your own mind. The results we gather from this will then be applied, although revisiting the issue is not out of the question at a later date. Just know that this choice cannot be done by a sole person or even a handful; it needs to be seen as a community-wide issue. If you believe it to be important, remember to talk about it.

Thanks for keeping the tone calm and respectful,
FF

Alright then im against putting them in.

i voted already - and followed the posts here… wondering that there are topics that get very fast out of topic

Its not against TLR in general its againt the persons that try to run it. And for many good reasons they are “until” now are not worth to get mentioned in this bar. Nevertheless i beleave that they can use this bar on their site with the only good reasosn that now and then there are a bunch of people who will recognize TLR as first visit - and so its a good idea to show them via this bar that there are other places as well

And maybe the time would do its job and let the wounds heal - not now i know - but somewhen in the future when the TLR admins proved their reasonability, that they are able to follow simple rules like everyone else (at least) try to do - then we can again start to consider to give them access to mention themselves in this bar.

Only a short side note about the screenshots and logs - that i feel bothered to mention (and I have to agree with OP here):

• if you wont trust the screenshots and logs you cannot trust anything that you will read in the inet, coz all can be changed due to the interests of someone…

Go ahaead and do a reasonable vote - vote for your own interest and think of the community at all - but please consider about the advantages and disadvantages - same like in RL

I did write 500 odd words then deleted.

To keep things clear i voted full.
im going of now to have a royal sulk now as it doesnt look like we will be included. This was expected

btw thought i would mention that swats not telling any lies if he mentions something about what happend its probably true.

Funny thing about this is that some ppl tries to sepparate this poll from what had happen in the past, whe the only reason to make it is exactly because what had happen in the past.

Then some ppl come and say, “hey, thats a problem between OP and Mental, Azza and Knife” they should solve it on their own, dont mix us with that… Great behaviour, you are the kind of ppl that when someone steal the wallet to other in the street keep on walking like if nothing happens, yeah maybe your sites/servers has not been attacked…and from your perspective: “wtf, if OP wouldnt have say a word he woulnt had a problem…” Great way of thinking again, what courage…you guys are brave, good point there: “Keep on fucking others as long as you dont fuck me…” but there is one thing you miss there dudes, Sooner or later you will be fucked up too in one way or another…

I dont even understand why you say its OP vs the others, you guys really want to have even “a bit close” a person that tells you this:

[19:32] Knife[x]: basicaly if u state that u will call service crasher into ur community thretten other community then u should b prepared to defend urself

For me this means that if you even consider to have somewhere in your comunity a person that those guys dont like, “You should be prepared to defend yourself”???

You guys want to live under a constant threaten?

For those that say that this is OP vs TLR problem… This place was attacked for the same reasons as Swat was, If you havent lean the fucking lesson you are condemed to repeat the same mistake over and over…

As the hacker said: " u should b prepared to defend urself

Ok to end the problems and to make it easyer for starport admin i withdraw the application for the community bar and accept that we are excluded from starport.

All starport content will be removed.

I know that it takes time to heal problems lets hope freelancer has that long.

Reguards Aaron Bradbeer

Case closed, no more endless discussions. Topic locked voting locked.

Okay…seeing how the community I come from has been totally unaware of the crazy feud. Can someone explain to me in simple terms what the heck is going on? Private Message would work extremely well to not start up a flame.

cool now the stupid claims start again (im sick of exlaining that stuff over and over again while you ignore me)

azza - maybe i am not able to check every single site and stay up to date… at that moment when swat got added flc refused hosting a link to tlr (the reasons are explain on their forum)
for me the freelancer community alliance might have been a higher priority aswell and until now TLR is not part of it

to take away all doubts about OPR8R using the same IP for more accounts. Removed last 2 digits, dun want baddies to take advantage of it ofc.

Members from IP (range) 195.49..
IP address Display name
195.49.. OPR8R

And now please either take this in PM, or somewhere else. This thread is here to have community sites, server sites and clan sites to apply to the header bar.

you can check that at any time… ive no prob with that