Mod stolen, what can be done? // Mod geklaut, was tun?

@Mindhunter:

Well thats not rly a proof, cause text can easily be faked.
Its better to make a screen and post it, i know even a screen can be manipulated, but its safer than copying the text into a post.

I got one question: Why do u pay for a mod?
Its not that hard to take the ships and create your own mod with your own balancing and your own style.
I rly can’t believe that someone pays money for a mod, paying for a server to keep it up is another thing but paying for a mod is rly new to me.
And if u rly did so it would be better to make a online contract that each side prints out and signs personally, than scan it in and send it to eachother that would be a valid contract and trade in my eyes.

Whatever at last i dont care that much, u guys should talk to each other cause something is wrong in this strory and only u guys do know what rly happend.

here is the print screen for the paytment, also i was buy the mod because he dont want to use it and also wolfguardian , milocan and me was make a lot of job in this mod.
Because the mod has a lot of mistakes he canot use it and host it then i send him money to take the mod fix it and after give to any person he wants to host it. As i say i dont care about money only care not this game finish from everyone, and helping people.

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/7643/paytment2008bs2.jpg

This case is close i have the mod legal and i will not answer no more to this.

Thank you Dias

@Dias:

About the mod for some people say it that i will not keep it in my server, Iwill gonna fix it because it has many mistakes thats why lunar dont host it and also he sell it to me because he said that ex owner wolfguardian take from him a lot of money to take the mod but he did not know that all the mod have problem.

Thats a lie. As I have already stated, Wolfguardian gave Warchief the mod of Rogue Universe since he lost interest in hosting the server. From his own lips he told me that he got tired of players criticizing his and his nephews work and their demands for what ‘they’ wanted in his mod. Now, you’re trying to say why I’m not hosting the mod. I’m not hosting the mod because I’d rather fix it before I host it. A lot of players rely on missions to make money at the start of playing in our mod and since Wolfguardian closed most of the missions down (for whatever reason) I’ve been trying to learn how to turn them back on, which led me to want more for my mod. I never said that I bought the mod from Wolfguardian, as anyone can see clearly, I have stated that Warchief ‘gave’ the mod and server to me.

@Dias:

Also he was buy the server from chief and he was trying to sell also that to me and i told him i dont want his server.

Again, I have said that I was ‘given’ the mod and server by Warchief.

@Dias:

Now in other sites tell that he give me only the mod for the ships, if he want to give the ships then he want give me all the files but only the ships.

Have I not also stated that I am a noob to modding FL which would happen to include handling FL files. When I spoke to you about selling you the rights to our ships, you told me that you required both server and client files. I had only owned RU for a short time at this point and you told me that you would need those files. At that point I told you that I would send you those files but that you were to ONLY use the ships. So don’t act like your Mr. Innocent in this, especially when you know as well as I do what happened between us.

@Dias:

Iam not gonna answer after that post i send and also i did not answer to that crazy that he sells and dont be a man to say yes ok i sell it.

Keep your insults to yourself m8 and try and stick to the facts.

@Dias:

And now one crazy kid tell that i stole his mod and also he didi not do nothing for this game.

First off, I’m not a kid, though I may be younger than you I still deserve respect. I am 28 years old and I have done what I knew how to do for RU and our community. Are you saying that because I didn’t fix the glitches and bugs fast enough for you and whoever supports the theft of my mod, that I don’t deserve to keep it? Now I have previously asked several times for proof of a contract between us, though I already know you don’t have it because there was never such a contract. Now you post that you don’t care what anyone says, that you will finish ‘my’ mod and whoever your friend is will host it for you. To me this clearly shows your defiance towards ‘doing the right thing’.

@Dias:

And sorry because i write this because i little ungry, i am 39 years old with child and wife i am trying to help people in here i mean in freelancer game and some crazy boys that smoke something go in and tell …… thinks

And another thing Dias. What I do in my free time is none of your concern. If I wanna ‘smoke’ or drink then that is my right. I don’t live in Greece, I live in the USA where I have the freedom to make my own choices and I refuse to allow someone to try and bash on me because of habits I have that you obviously would know nothing about. Stop trying to ruin me and my credibility in this case. You don’t know me personally and have never met me face to face, so whatever you ‘think’ I do has no relevancy to the charges at hand.

@Dias:

i pay for the mod to take it and use it from lunar

here is the translation for the mod
Conversion to:
Mary Renshaw
Email:
[email protected]

Total Amount:
-$100.00 USD

From amount:
-€70.11 EUR
To amount:
$100.00 USD
Exchange Rate:
1 Euro = 1.42639 U.S. Dollars

Date:
Nov. 15, 2007
Time:
22:29:41 PST
Status:
Completed

Subject:
Mary Renshaw
Shipping Address:
No Address Provided

Funding Type:
Credit Card
Funding Source:
€70.11 EUR - Visa Card XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-3742
This transaction will appear on your bill as “PAYPAL *RUNIVERSE2”.

Where’s our contract? This isn’t proof Dias. I want to see where I gave you ownership over Rogue Universe. So far all I have seen is a brutal attempt at discrediting me along with some direct insults to my character which you know nothing about. Mentioning that you have a wife and child is also irrelevant to this matter since anyone can be a thief (they come in all shapes and sizes). Another thing, most donations are paid with paypal from what I’ve seen. Does this mean that anyone who pays a donation to a server can claim that server/mod as their own? It’s no secret that I am dirt new to modding FL and handling server files, but I just love how you keep contradicting your own statements. You have said on colonialwars.forumotion.com (Dias’ forum) that you’ve been in touch with Wolfguardian and Firewolf (Wolfguardian’s nephew and a modder for RU) and that they know of you owning RU. I wonder if that statement is true. I will contact both Wolfguardian (if possible) and Warchief about this matter if need be so everyone will know that I tell the truth when I say that both the mod and server were ‘given’ to me (this means that I didn’t buy them Dias).

@Mindhunter:

And if u rly did so it would be better to make a online contract that each side prints out and signs personally, than scan it in and send it to eachother that would be a valid contract and trade in my eyes.

As far as I am concerned, only a contract between you and I would prove that I transferred ownership to you.

@Dias:

This case is close i have the mod legal and i will not answer no more to this.

Thank you Dias

You don’t have to. From the looks of this, there will likely be a tribunal on this matter and I remember someone stating that not all parties have to be present for the tribunal to take place.

not answer you again tell and write everything you like .
You sell me and send me the server files so please stop crying all the time.
Grow little please.

End from me this mod will be host and everyone gonna join and have fun. As i say not in my server because some people will tell that i am gonna make money with that. i dont care for money that why i give the mods to other

So I guess what you’re saying here is that you don’t have any proof. There’s a surprise. ::)

sigh

i pay you and i have the server files, the mod will be gonna upload in server. End of talk have a nice day

sigh

@Dias:

i pay you and i have the server files, the mod will be gonna upload in server. End of talk have a nice day

Whatever, there’s obviously no talking to you about this.

Lets try 2 collect the facts:

• Mar. 26, 2007 - the rogueuniverse mod ist handed over 2 “Scoundrel”
  the by Lunar_Eclipse provided email shows the nick “Krull” [email protected]- Oct./Nov. 2007 - Dias asks [email protected]4 a permission 2 use ships
• Nov. 15, 2007 - Dias payed a 100 $ 2 Lunar_Eclipse [email protected]for what ever - atleast the ships seem to be “sold”
  @Lunar_Eclipse:

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Have I not also stated that I am a noob to modding FL which would happen to include handling FL files. When I spoke to you about selling you the rights to our ships, you told me that you required both server and client files. I had only owned RU for a short time at this point …

And btw - anyone interested in the domain:
http://whois.domaintools.com/rogueuniverse.com
http://www.afternic.com/name.php?domain=rogueuniverse.com

@F!R:

…. maybe 2 much role play

refering to the
Ferengie Rules of Aquisition
Take rule #1 and replace money with model.

• joking off -
  ……

… here we have to replace money with mod./[email protected]/[email protected]/[email protected]

@Dias: We would like to hear your opinion as well: http://www.forum.station-network.de/thread.php?postid=255145#post255145
Pouting isn’t really an option for you. I’m quite positive we would successfully enforce a boycott against servers running “your” (another controverse) mod if you would be found guilty. Not that I think that this is necessarily the case but the other party has a clear advantage if the main person from your party isn’t present.

Our (Station-Network’s) proposal is to hold a tribunal with a jury which is elected by the Freelancer community, consisting of well-known but for all that neutral modders like w0dk4, OP-R8R, Louva Deus, etc.

The condition for a tribunal is an adequate interest by the community else chosen consequence wont have neither an prevention effect for the future nor the support of the community.

@Lunar_Eclipse:

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Have I not also stated that I am a noob to modding FL which would happen to include handling FL files. When I spoke to you about selling you the rights to our ships, you told me that you required both server and client files. I had only owned RU for a short time at this point and you told me that you would need those files. At that point I told you that I would send you those files but that you were to ONLY use the ships. So don’t act like your Mr. Innocent in this, especially when you know as well as I do what happened between us.
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Besides the “who is the ‘legal’ owner” and “is Dias allowed 2 run the mod”

• m i the only one, who think it is a bit strange,
  when someone “sells” ships from a mod
  especially before that
  
  background,

Okay according to Luna, he authorized the use of his ships, NOT the mod, until Dias comes here, the ad has been removed.

We will give every opportunity to let Dias disclose what he has done, and what he hasn’t done. If he needs an interpreter, I’m sure someone here can help.

According to the pm I got from Luna, he has found evidence that he DID sell the mod to Dias, therefore this topic remains open and this issue has been solved.

Thanks to all involved.

See here for a picture of the according correspondency.

Seems this image verifying he sold the MOD has vanished from Photobucket. I don’t know what to say on this entire debacle, people have stepped up to help only to have this ending.

Sadly, The only thing this has proven is that MOD makers have more to worry about now than the few syntax errors that may have slipped by. The question always has been how far do you really trust the playtesters. Now, tell me that next time one of you suggest asking for Paypal donations some of this discussion will not pop back into your memory…

hmmmm, it always did annoy me how theres always one around thats trying to get an angle. i get that here in my town a lot. gets to the point where you are pre-emptively rude to people.

@Grey:

Seems this image verifying he sold the MOD has vanished from Photobucket.

I restored the picture now.

@Grey:

The question always has been how far do you really trust the playtesters.Â

Hmm, not only playtesters.

If a modder has a chance, run your own testserver. On that way you can avoid this kind of problems.
Specially when people get mad they do strange things.
And it’s than always to hurt. Some don’t know that they make a fool of him/her self.
And with one stupid action the respect is gonne forever.