MsCMPImport v2.7 plugin By P1p3r -alt dl added
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cant wait to give this a whirl
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Iâm having problems when importing ship models getting more than the top LOD. How is it possible with this importer? Or do I jst have to use an old one? Basically I can only get LOD0 and canât seem to be able to select LOD1, LOD2 and LOD3. I must be missing something
edit: false alarm⌠found it⌠drop down menu!! thanks god for that⌠;D
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HmmmâŚ
Not so hot, eh Chili?
<sniggers>AndâŚ
You meanâŚ
Thank P1p3r!
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Iâve noticed that the importer mixes up the orientation of HPâs and sometimes also the position (f.e. it made y = -6.7 to y = -7).
I also had some crashes when importing more 1-2 models in a row without restarting MS3d.Both is no biggy and i may be caused by my notebook.
I also had such crashes on the old importers so i should say that v2.7 is way more stabil.Its a fantastic tool and alrdy changed 3 vanilla stations with it so rly BIG THANKS FOR SHARING IT!!!
Just a question⌠is anyone working on a new sur exporter? ;D
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I had no problems with any models importing.
The hardpoints are always messed up by the CMP exporter, they have to be fixed in HardCMP. I thought everyone knew that? Until now I just made and placed my hardpoints in MilkShape quickly, then found the exporter would attach them to any old group and not usually the group they are sitting on, so I had to delete them and make new ones again in HardCMP in any case.
One of the reasons is that whoever wrote the exporter did not specify the type of triangle he wanted so that he would be able to calculate the orientation (which way it is facing) for each plane. I have tried isosceles and pointed triangles, none of them oriented correctly.
And to make things worse HardCMP doesnât use the Z axis correctly, so I end up composing an orientation using X and Y values only. And HardCMP doesnât understand an angle of 90 or 180 from time to time, while setting 89 or 179 is fine.
GRRRRRRR!!!
P1p3r may hopefully take on the task of making a good exporter for us now he knows how to import properly?
Hint⌠HintâŚ!!
Duhh⌠didnât someone say about 3 years ago that FL modding would soon fade away⌠away⌠awayâŚ??
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Yeah uâre right its the exporter, I never made HPâs in ms3d and therefor Iâve not noticed that bug before.
And the crashing bug seems to be a MS3d bug cause i have these crashes also on other importers.And Uh yeah a new exporter would indeed be a great addition
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i see no issue with the current CMP exporter O.o
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UhhâŚ
So where are your rosy glasses then?
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For an exporter:
Well, it would be nice to be able to specify parts / groups as belonging in Fix, Rev, or Pris from within the exporter. Itâs not real tough to do as is, but yeh itâs an extra 8 or so steps.
Personally Iâd just take out the Scale section entirely and make it 1.0 every time.
A scalable number of groups would rock too (not just 18), but that might be graphically a pain to get proper, maybe with a scrollable window when passing 10 or so.
Other than that, canât think of much really.
Nice to be able to open up quite a few more vanilla models to eff with though eh?
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From what I read, you guys havenât used MilkShape to place your hardpoints, otherwise you would see the exporterâs limitations - orientation is not correct, and it does not attach the hardpoints to the correct group either.
I think I said that already somewhere?
Ah - I get it, I didnât say it in Chinese!
Here goesâŚ
???You�??not use�?MilkShape�??maybe???Exporter�??plugin???orientation�?? not correct???and�??not attach???correct group???
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JONG, please help verify that Iâm not using bad language please??
UhhâŚ
Just in case, here it is in Russian tooâŚ
?? ? ???, You maybe not use ?? ??? ??? ??? ??? MilkShape ??? ??? ??? for place ??? ??? hardpoints, ? ??? ??? exporter ?? ??? ?? ??? pluginsky ??? - ??? orientation not correct ?? ???, ? and ??? ?? ??? hardpoints ? not correct group ??? attach to! ??? ??.
Mmmm⌠this is not a UTF enabled forum! Drat!
Heheheheheheh.
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Oy!!
Bloody well elaborate a bit then, Iâm not so daft, almost all triangles I tried do NOT explain to the exporter how to place themselves!
What shape do YOU use?
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The place I use MS for HPâs most is for SUR export. Creating a triangle from the top view, top point first methinks. Still some times it comes out upside down
easy 'nuff fix, but still takes time. Though itâs easy to create the HPâs in MS for CMPâs and then just use UTF 4 to move them to the correct locations, but as you stated; they arenât always oriented perfectly.If Beeejay knows a secret I be a happeh camper to hear it as well
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Im sure he has done a tutorial OR in a post somewhere has explained how this is done lol
if not search for Dritzâs tutorial on making ships from scratch
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I havenât seen one by Bejaymac, although it could have been a line or twa in another tut, and if he has I think his Scawts-English-Scawts translator needs improvinâ a wee dram or twaâ. (Mind ye, if ye lewk onder his Sporran yeâll ken the why!! - My guess is itâs all slung loose under there!!) Heheheh.
All the tutâs Iâve seen just say âmake a triangleâ - one ( I think it might have been Arghâs?) says âwith approximately equal sidesâ. That means equilateral. Tried it. No, it was screwed up.
In my view, the exporter should have been designed to understand an ISOSCELES triangle (one with only 2 sides the same length, so it has a greater height than width) (although how does it guess whether itâs flipped by more than 90 degrees in any plane - but it does, sometimes - it could be by the normals, which would be sensible!), and by the designer placing it after the group it belongs to. It doesnât, whether they are in between groups or not they get placed willy-nilly. Well, it doesnât see that I made my triangles with two longer sides than the base.
Any way, why is anyone arguing with the need for a new exporter that would make good hardpoints at the same time, for goodnessâ sakes? Surely thatâs a good thing?
Have you all gone absolutely mad?
Gnnaaaaaaahhhhh!!
ANYWAY EVEN IF YOU LOT DONâT WANT ONE, I MOST CERTAINLY DO! SO THERE!! <tosses his=ââ toys=ââ out=ââ of=ââ pram=ââ>:D</tosses>
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The place I use MS for HPâs most is for SUR export.
uhhh⌠Iâm lost! Hardpoints in your SUR export?? How come?
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Open up a vanilla SUR file. In it youâll see a standard mesh type for each HardPoint: Turret, Gun, CM, Torp / CD, and Shield -all built into the SUR itself. Exporting the SUR from MS with HPâs gets that result.
As for the mechanics of it, someone with more knowledge on SURs could likely answer that, but I suspect that their presence allows for shots hitting those mounted items to proxy the damage down to the part theyâre mounted to (since these items all have SURs and health of their own).
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Ah yes, I forgot.
But then I donât use weapon surs.
So my weapons donât get destroyed, huh?
Not a bad thing when Iâm pitching players against some seriously bad enemies in my mods! rofl
