MOTY + USAF = WFT?
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all things aside the military is stil the best way for somebody who cant afford to go to college or for somebody who has no direction to get an education or to supply a good carrer for somebody who doesnt have one. i tell you something i wanted to join the navy and my father whos a world war 2 veteran stopped me . i should of ranaway and joined i would of been in a better place today.
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My Main Game for the Past 4 years was Amwericas Army … i am even involved in the Beta Program.
its now in the Guiness Book of Gaming in like 5 catagories … Most Downloaded etc etc and the Navy had one in production…
the Army even promotes the game as a recruitment tool and with over 3 million registereed user names i dont think they have covinced anyone to join the army …
its just a good game to everyone that plays it… i dont care who made it or promotes it.
and in the fast growing Pay to play world of gaming i love anything thats FREE …
;D
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TBH this only puts my opinion on the US Military even more down as it allready was ::)
argh this is starting to piss me off
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my nationality has nothing to do with my views… and this is not just a german oppinion… this way of thinking is done all around the globe.
Im not a pacifist, I believe in military as defending forces. But defending the own country on the grounds of countless other countries while no single shot has been fallen in the US is somewhat weird.
I know many people serving in the US military, I even trained US Airforce members in Starlancer years ago and i have 2 friends which meanwhile are in Irak defending their country thousands of miles away from their families.Im just saying that the military should stay out of the international gaming scene and stop doing their propaganda there. The moddb should be a place for modders and gaming companies but not for militaries.
Ive already composed a mail to moddb declaring my wish to get removed from the mod awards.
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I don’t understand what the fuss is about….
Are you all going to disown your TV because they have adverts about the military on it? Should adverts in Magazines be removed as well? Worst still, those bloody cadets must be Satans work… those poor young children who volunteer to join up and enjoy some fun, they’ll be brain washed!
It sounds like the only argument against it is that it’s targeting younger users and that they’ll somehow be brainwashed by an advert before a game? If they’re stupid enough to spend the next 5 - 7 years dreaming of being in the armed forces, off of one or two promotional videos, without any further research and background investigation… then in truth they won’t get into the military as they’ll be too damned stupid.
Honestly, if I didn’t suspect otherwise, it appears you all think children are complete retards. Give them some credit at least… these adverts may make them find out more info about the armed forces. It will NOT make them join.
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I’ll be monitoring this topic some what.
I have to remind you that this is not a Political platform but a Freelancer gaming platform.
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I know this is a oftopic discussion, but please keep it nice.
/ EDIT:I understand peoples arguments but it should stay with this topic, other topics regaring political issues will get locked/removed.
We have people from many different cultures and countries here, and it is easy to upset people with certain arguments.My 2 cents.
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I figure the USAA, USAF and the USN are free to advertise anywhere so long as they don’t start using Subliminal Messages.
It’s their money, they pay for advertisement so that Moddb can get better, Moddb gets better more Mods and people come on, businesses like the US Armed Forces pay to upgrade Moddb’s server.
Ok, maybe not like that, but provided they pay their bills, the wheel keeps turning.I got no problem with advertising provided it’s not false-advertising.
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maybe some people would react/think different if the sponsor would be Iran, Pakistan, Lybia, North Korea or Osama Bin Laden himself.
I dont want any of them put they banner infront of my mod in the same way i dont want that the USAF is not doing it.
mod presentation 2009
mod xyz - presented by moddb and Al Qaedasorry but that is as inacceptable as a US Airforce banner infront of my mod.
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maybe some people would react/think different if the sponsor would be Iran, Pakistan, Lybia, North Korea or Osama Bin Laden himself.
I dont want any of them put they banner infront of my mod in the same way i dont want that the USAF is not doing it.
mod presentation 2009
mod xyz - presented by moddb and Al Qaedasorry but that is as inacceptable as a US Airforce banner infront of my mod.
Question:
When you people applied to the moddb and submitted a mod to be voted on, what were the terms?
Did they state anything about this?I surely can imagine that a person from Germany doesn’t like his mod to be connected to a USairforce add campaign.
And the Moddb should remove that add from the mod on request, unless they clearly stated that they act as political / add platform for the US goverment.Edit:
Wonder if i do a digg, or a whois if its gonna tell me “hosted by the whitehouse under supervision of the secret service” THAT would be hilarious.
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maybe - but for some weird reason i but all players will come from those parts of the world ^^
@worfeh
when we decided to take part in the MOTY there was no sign of the military
they have changed the moddb sites just 1-2 days ago
they even have changed the colors of their sites in order to fit to the USAF logo
If i would have known about it from the beginning i wouldnt have wasted 1 month for promotional work for my mods
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I suppose I better make my say… and join this ‘discussion’.
I agree with Chips and a few others.
Thats all I will say, otherwise I will typing for the next few hours and things will start to turn nasty.
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@Chips: The military is a state-controled institution and from my opinion (and i think OP’s to) a state-controled institution does not advertise on the TV in magazins or even on none state-controled pages on the inet.
The US military gets money from the state right? The state gets money from their peoples right? So u pay tax to the state and they use it to advertise on the inet in magazines etc.?
Sry but that doesn’t sound right, in europe a state-controled institution can’t do that and if they would it would be a big affair.
Also i feel that it is not ok to advertise for military and therefor also for war on places where little kids can see it and moddb is surelly such a place.Edit: U can also use Addblock for Firefox or SeeMonkey, it will remove the advert for u (thats also the reason why i did not understand what this threat was about when OP posted it).
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@Chips: The military is a state-controled institution and from my opinion (and i think OP’s to) a state-controled institution does not advertise on the TV in magazins or even on none state-controled pages on the inet.
The US military gets money from the state right? The state gets money from their peoples right? So u pay tax to the state and they use it to advertise on the inet in magazines etc.?
Sry but that doesn’t sound right, in europe a state-controled institution can’t do that and if they would it would be a big affair.
Also i feel that it is not ok to advertise for military and therefor also for war on places where little kids can see it and moddb is surelly such a place.That is not entirely true.
I live in the Netherlands, and the military here have commercials on TV and have adds on some websites.
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Well in the UK our Military do advertise on TV and magazines.
And I don’t mind it… before you all jump down my throat let me explain something.
I am not military material, never could or would be. However I have a lot of old school friends that are military guys, and my grandad was in WW2 based out in Egypt with the Royal Air Force. So I understand alot about what they do and what they go through.
Now, I dont personally agree with alot of decisions goverments have taken over the last 5 years involving the US and UK military. However, as long as my friends are involved, I will also support them. Not the decisions made, but the people having to carry out their orders.
Not every decision is the right one, but do not blame the people at the end of the command chain. They are doing their job. Just the Police, or Tax collectors or Social Services.
So do I mind the Military advertising in the UK? No I don’t.
No I mind the US Military advertising on MODDB… No I don’t… not as long as the site stays open, stays advertising Mods and gives us a place to advertise Freelancer.
Which is all that should matter.
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May as well copy my post from the other site as I know many do not visit there.
"Not sure what the real problems is but as we have off-topic fora here goes .
We seem to be quite happy with violent, abusive, sexist, racist gameplay on the assumption that the players have the sense to understand and will not then go out and do the things they play.
But the same players will suddenly all be brainwashed and join up when they see sponsorships.
Sounds like a cake and eat it attitude.
Regardless of rights or wrongs with violence, current human nature is dominated by agression and the world revolves around it. The military are societies santisation of the basic problem and also a convenient target.
They are also the first port of call when someone whose views do not fit into your world goes and parks their tank on your lawn."
