CMP to SUR Conversion Tests
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**After bugging FF for awhile about FL Dev
Ok, the model rebuilder is not working which means the sur builder is not workingā¦.
Something is missing in the understanding of the cmp model format. I have generated Cons-Fixed entries, VMeshRef entries and all of the Cmpnd entries perfectly according to the layout that is currently understood to be the proper formats. Unfortunately this is is not workingā¦
HardCmp displays it correctlyā¦
UTF editor shows the nodes in the proper place and exports the data as it should beā¦
FL only shows the the original VMeshRefās sometimesā¦One thing I found during this is that ālod1ā is NOT a requirement, look at nomad_lair.cmp for an exampleā¦
Any help would be appreciated, files upon requestā¦**
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LancerSolurus wrote:
Something is missing in the understanding of the cmp model format. I have generated Cons-Fixed entries,
Errmā¦ I hope you mean Cons-Fix ??
Not Cons-Fixed!!
P1p3rās .cmp exporter also caused a Cons-Fixed problem, we have to rename those nodes as Cons-Fix.
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Any progress pals?
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Lancer? Yoo-hoooooo!!! Lan-cer?
Anyone seen him? No posts at digitalbrilliance either!
Maybe heās burning the midnight oils on this utility? Nah? Sure? Hmmmā¦
Eeeee-lo-oooooooo?
Has he been captured by the Thyroids? Toroids? Erā¦ Tannoys? Triffids? Teletubbies! Aha! Theyāre the ones!
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Okay ST, Iām sorry but donāt post in this topic again. This is spam, plain and simply, and if you donāt want me to consider you a spambot and deal with you as I would with them, cut the chatter.
LS will post back when he has progress and thatās all there is to it.
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Hello and I hope this is not considered spam.
I was and still having troubles with a mob of mine, i was pointed here and found the beta, or alpha of this cmp to sur convertor. and it has helpped nail down one of the possable problems my Sur file.
My ship is still invisable, but thanks to this program it is taking hits like it should. Iām wondering if the Mat exportor i have for Milkshape 128 is faulty or messed up. It is the āfreelancer mat 0.1ā exporter.
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Youād be best off to use the topic you already have created on the subject or make a new one if you donāt have one.
Just to give you some possible angles of attack, LODRanges? Groups are named right? Files are referenced properly? Errors in the logs?
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OK FF, no offence meant.
The reason I keep bumping is that it keeps disappearing, goes way down the forum list, and out of sight out of mind.
I have a serious need for this tool.
As you see I gave up on your FL Dev after you explained your commitments, but I am still waiting for that too.
I will desist, but let it be recorded that I believe I have contributed enough help here to be given some lee-way when I get grumpy or throw in some humourous remark that is irrelevant?
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Go back, check your posts and count the number of āirrelevantā posts of yours Iāve let through. I think Iām being lenient enough
I just donāt want this to devolve into a bump fest. LS isnāt the kind of guy to forget about something like this and itās far more efficient to remind him on MSN anyways
Heās just a busy man and arenāt we all? Give him time, heāll respond.
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Um not to brust your bubbles but according to this site/topic. The project is DEAD, Due to math needed to make it work, as well as a TOTAL hard drive crash.
http://forums.seriouszone.com/showthread.php?53192-CMP-to-SUR-Converter
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Please look at the date of the topicā¦
If you donāt see it, itās 2008
So, as FF said, give LS some time. Thanks. -
**No, I havenāt forgot about this project. Itās just come to a standstill for the time being while I work on something that may make it into a commercial gameā¦
Adoxa, I will send you a link within a couple of days of the model. Itās probably something dumb anyways, for some reason it usually turns out that way
, btw, thanks for your help in this project and the little hack I asked for a few days ago! Worked perfectly!Anyways, this will be my last major project for FL, I am itching to get back on my game engine and get it completed since most of the basic functionality is built and working.
An offer though, I will release the code to somebody who is competent to finish this project, only thing is you canāt release the code. Iāve spent 12 years building my library and I donāt want it in the public domainā¦
@ lonestar - hehe, that was the original project 2 years ago, this project was built from scratch and has no connection to that one.**
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Oh lol, Silly me facepalms, but misses palm and facedesks instead
But on the side note, The beta 02 works perfectly and so far its not got a bad sur for my Eve-online mod. Iām going to create you for the Surs for my mod. Becasue without this cmp to sur conversion iād have to mess around myself and make tons of mistakes.
Cheers
Lonestar -
Good to see you Lancer!
Just as a reminder to all:
The beta is already fab for one-group models, and is absolutely fine for small ships.
This is because only one sur part is created by the beta, and that part covers the entire model in a tight-fitting convex shroud.
So if there are gaps between parts of the ship it really doesnāt matter when the ship is small, because hits will register on empty space but it is small space.
The utility Lancer is still working on is going to be great for large ships where the gaps between booms etc is huge, like the gap between the engines on the Enterprise 1701-A type for example, and shots that should pass through will be hitting the ship spaces instead.
This version will create one sur part per group, so it is important that the model is created (or modified) in sensible groups, for example for the Enteprise there should be the following MilkShape/.cmp groups:
1. Saucer
2. Main hull
3. Saucer Pylon
4. Left Engine
5. Left Engine Pylon
6. Right Engine
7. Right Engine PylonEach group of the ship will then have its own sur, so that there will be gaps in between the groups, and shots will pass through all the gaps instead of hitting.
In the .cmp each Group can (and should) have sub-parts for detail, but these should not be separate groups - you can determine this by placing each part under the main group that it belongs to in the MilkShape Groups list, and then in the .cmp exporter by setting the right Group Quantities (count of the parts plus the main Group itself) for each Group.
But you MUST make your ship in this way for this to be effective.
ST going into hybernation and long sulks after being told off by FF.
Let me know if you want me back.
<tearful sobs=āā></tearful>
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StarTrader wrote:
LancerSolurus wrote:
Something is missing in the understanding of the cmp model format. I have generated Cons-Fixed entries,
Errmā¦ I hope you mean Cons-Fix ??
Not Cons-Fixed!!
P1p3rās .cmp exporter also caused a Cons-Fixed problem, we have to rename those nodes as Cons-Fix.
LS - you didnāt reply to this and I donāt know if itās a typo or if it really is Cons-Fixed, causing the problem you have?
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It was a typo, in the program its āFixā
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LancerSolurus wrote:
ā¦ this will be my last major project for FL, I am itching to get back on my game engine and get it completed since most of the basic functionality is built and working.An offer though, I will release the code to somebody who is competent to finish this project, only thing is you canāt release the code. Iāve spent 12 years building my library and I donāt want it in the public domainā¦
Since nobody else seemed interested, I volunteered to help maintain this project. I am not a modeler, so I may need help from you guys to know when the SUR builder creates an incorrect SUR.
I did fix a couple of bugs and tried to make the user interface and documentation a little easier for new users to understand.
I still have a list of improvements to work on, so this is still an interim release:
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Creates single-part (bubble) SURs consistently.
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Creates multi-part (close-fitting) SURs if the CMP has one part per mesh.
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Sometimes can create a multi-part CMP from a single part CMP (still buggy).
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Well done Bullwinkle. Iāve been waiting for progress on this for many months, and even got bo*****ed by FF for prompting LS too often!
Does this mean you are āda manā for this project now?
Should I expect it to do OK if there are no subgroups you mean? And not OK if there are any subgroups to a main group? I can handle that with some cmp juggling I think.
Iāll try v3 on my multi-part cmpās and report back in a couple of days.
Thanks pal.
