Fixed guns on fighters

Maverick

I’m not 100% sure on this, but I think that’s because of the fact that vanilla weapon models themselves have a HpConnect that allows for rotation by default. So even if you give your ship a static Hp, the gun would still be able to rotate because of its own HpConnect.

See image from HardCMP:

Maybe you have already look into this, but it might be worthwhile to change that Hp.
I am foreseeing a couple of issues though if you would make the HpConnect on the weapon model itself static. I’m not sure whether FL’s targeting system would still direct the gunfire to the target if the gun would be static, and whether or not this might cause for problems with your game.
I have never looked into it well enough.

Bobthemanofsteel

Honestly, I love the moving guns in FL.
Perhaps they don’t make a lot of sense realism wise, but it makes the game much more accessible to players.

Freestalker.fr

Not realistic! A human who fly a certain class of helicopter can move his gun at the same time of his head, so in FL that’s realistic. And do you know the NeuralNet? That is a “little” device implemented in the head, like its name implies. So the NeuralNet can help to move your weapons in all directions. And do you know the tech used by Nintendo, the Wii? Here, that’s the same thing but with the eyes or the head.

rik_starkiller

Hey Mav,

I’ve toyed with most of the settings in HardCMP reducing the rotation values etc, I’ve also tried editing the .CMP in the UTF editor, going into all of the Hardpoints and minimised or zeroed the various values under the Revolute hardpoints with no success.

Sadly I think if Gibbon hasn’t managed it then it’s unlikely that it could be fixed in the vanilla models.

Gonna keep experimenting and see what results I get.

Freestalker.fr - very good point! I hadn’t even thought about that!

Cheers
Rik

Bobthemanofsteel

Actually you just reminded me about the helmets worn by gunners in certain gunships, that track head movement and swivel the turret to match, a very good point!

Maverick

rik_starkiller wrote:
Hey Mav,

I’ve toyed with most of the settings in HardCMP reducing the rotation values etc, I’ve also tried editing the .CMP in the UTF editor, going into all of the Hardpoints and minimised or zeroed the various values under the Revolute hardpoints with no success.

Sadly I think if Gibbon hasn’t managed it then it’s unlikely that it could be fixed in the vanilla models.

Gonna keep experimenting and see what results I get.
Cheers
Rik

Just a thought, have you tried removing the existing HpConnect, and putting one on the model manually? There is no HpConnect in the drop-down list, so tick the ‘not from list’ box, untick ‘use numbering scheme’ and manually type in ‘HpConnect’ in the entry box, like so:

Make sure you have the spelling correct or the game will roll over.
Don’t forget to move it to its correct position.
No idea if this is going to work, like I said just a thought. But let me know if it works, I’m curious.

Sushi

Hey Guys,

If you want to prevent the guns from moving, you need to alter their Rev data, which is under the Cons. You can easily do this with the new UTF Editor that can be found here: http://forge.the-starport.net/projects/utfeditor/repository/changes/UTFEditor.exe

That’s what I’ve done in FW:ToW for several turrets. One turret only has been giving 10 degrees of freedom.

Let me know if you want me to go more indepth with this as I could do a tutorial quickly if needed.

Maverick

Thanks for the kind offer, Sushi. Tutorials are always interesting. Although I’m still working on other things for our mod and won’t get around to this sorta thing for a while, at some point in the future this would certainly be interesting to look into.

rik_starkiller

Hey Sushi,

Thanks for the heads up, a quick tutorial would be useful, for and I guess others. It’s more the math that anything else

I’m guessing I need to lower the values under

HpMount
–> RotX
–> RotY
–> RoyZ

HpFire <xx>–> RotX
–> RotY
–> RoZ

Is this correct?

Cheers,
Rik</xx>

J.Walker

well another route you can take for having the look and feel of a fixed gun but still use the FL targeting of revolute weapons is to mesh gun models onto the fighter itself, then use the nomad gun model (which is just Hardpoints, no actual weapon model, and no not the one that the colony fighters mount, but the actual nomad gun cmp). this way you get the ‘fixed’ gun look, but still are able to target and fire the guns correctly.

Sushi

Rik, no, that’s not correct. I’ll do up a video tutorial for you tomorrow.

rik_starkiller

Cool thanks guys, look forward to the vid.

Cheers,
Rik

Sushi

Sorry, was a bit delayed today due to work. Tomorrow I’ll definitely have time to do the video.

Sushi

Here’s the video on how to alter the rotation of turrets. I didn’t test it, but I think it would prevent the turrets from moving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n60-xrTOjMI

Let me know how it goes.

Attached is the rev data for you to fiddle with Just import it into the .cmp like I showed in the tutorial.

Maverick

Thanks a lot m8, very cool stuff!

bookmarked 8-)

rik_starkiller

Sushi, you’re a star!

Thanks, I’ll have a bash at this tomorrow and let you know.

Cheers,
Rik

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rik_starkiller wrote:

Sadly I think if Gibbon hasn’t managed it then it’s unlikely that it could be fixed in the vanilla models.

Cheers
Rik

Thanks for the vote of confidence rik but i know squat compared to these guys lol

Sushi, great tutorial. This should help things in the Y axis department immensely. One other thing, why haven’t i been using this version of the UTF editor before? Great features.

cata123

What version of CMP exporter is that ?

rik_starkiller

Sushi, fantastic. It works, exactly what I was looking for.

Cheers,
Rik

Sushi

cata123 wrote:
What version of CMP exporter is that ?

2.0

@Rik: Good. Glad to hear it.