[Freelancer Mod News]Jason's Freelancer Patch

@Bas: Well, being a patch, the intention is that everyone will have it. Both of these are already present in FL, it was only the key definitions that were missing.

Without any offense, I doubt that this will ever happen.

RP servers maybe won’t bother, but many PVP servers will be.

2 options to go with the above comment.

1. You learn to use vertical strafe
2. If you don’t want the option there, then remove the new files, simple

It is not. Because everyone who uses this patch has a very extreme advantage to those who don’t. That’s my point.

Don’t get me wrong, I am not totally against the new patch, but I am not sure about if this feature should remain in it.
Not to mention that some server admins, and if I am one I would do the same for sure, see it as a cheat and will bann players once they recognize them using the vertical strafe techniques.

What’s the difference, to be honest?
a) you fire left-right-left-right
b) you fire up-down-up-down

It’s the same and I’m sure you’ll find out which of those two your opponent uses really fast so why not just leave the patch be?

It is a HUGE difference, believe the dude who played over 4650h Freelancer (http://de.xfire.com/profile/basx/) online and spent the most time at PVP/Vanilla servers. When I am fighting against ppl with up-/down strafe I really FEEL the difference - I tested it out at HC, where it comes in the mod as an option…it is just SICK how you can beat people with this stuff, believe me…
(Again: I tested it out by myself)

And again: You risk that some players get banned at some servers cause of this thingy.

I don’t like this too, vertical strafing is significant pvp balance and gameplay change.
And not only players could be banned for using this feature but it is whole lot of headache for admins to detect if someone’s using it.

Well it’s nothing new tbh, as mentioned already the roll baby roll mod has been out since the dawn of time. If you guys are only starting to worry about it now then not a lot i can say really.

I personally allow it because it has been available for so long, no way to prevent it, best option in my eyes at least is simply to include it so that way, everyone has the option to use it, but that’s just me.

Then the mod you mentioned is just quite unpopular, which would make a difference - I NEVER heard about it in my three years of FL online gaming.

Aha… another mod promising “roll”…

now my Question is this… and it comes from a good place (lol)
This has been activated in many mods (including my own) but i’ve
never cracked how to make it “useable” in flight…

shure if i disable the mouse flight and manualy fly with the keys its all works. ( rolls nice ) but is this version the same dealy… or can i roll with the mouse flight active?..

And as far as flagging this as “old” or a cheat… cmon guys… he saw a hole… and coded a fix for it… I ask ye all this… Were is RbR? were are alot of “old” mods?.. If a new modder comes along and makes a mod based on what they don’t see available… then Great stuff!!..

Maybe calling it a patch is the problem here… as some will think its oki to "patch’ there version of FL… and take that online into another mod that dont have this activated… Well… that is cheating… and not a fault of the patch maker… but the player who knows (and has been told) better… those particular breed of pilots will find another way to cheat anyways… weather they use this or RbR or any other non vanila code to give em the “edge”…

Awesome try m8, Ignore the grumbles about cheating… I feel ye did well. if despicable pilots wanna use it to cheat… ye cant (& shouldnt) be blamed

The problem is that some players might use it who wouldn’t otherwise if it won’t have been released.

To clarify my statement, I wouldn’t care about it if it is a server mod or something like this….but as an opt. Mod (or patch), released for everyone out there, it is difinitivly. As I have said, players with vertical strafe have a HUGE (!!!) advantage about those who don’t.

The real issue with vertical strafing to me is how it affects the effectiveness of macros.

With 4-way box-strafing done through a macro, you have a significant advantage over normal players.

here’s how i see it. Verti strafing has been around since the dawn of time, anyone with enough drive to get it working for them will do it. its not like he’s releasing some new thing that can be exploited, its there already, and i have to agree with Gibbon here. its already there, it was a hole in FL base code, and he fixed it. if you have a problem with it, make it a bannable offense on your server or something. dont harp on adoxa for trying to throw out an improvement

Erm… The point is exactly that by making vertical strafing a lot easier to use, more people will use it, which will create problems for balance and might cause people to get banned due to ignorance on either side.

I mean, I’m not necessarily against it, but I can see the problems it could cause. w0dk4 is also right that if you combine it with macros, you can get a serious balance problem. For mods that sometimes take months to balance, that’d be a HUGE issue.

Ehm, why not just see it as a “new” challenge?

A challenge should be fair. This, in many cases, won’t.

It is, the vertical strafe is as fast as the horizontal. (Correct me if I’m wrong there) Prohibiting using this thing because some FL veterans are too lazy to get out of the left-right-left-right scheme seems a bit ridiculous to me.

The up-/down strafe “feature” is integrated in the hamburg city mod since 2,5+ years. BUT (!!) in the polll 50% of the players wanted to get rid of the feature - And most of the other 50% of the players were traders. And for those the feature isn’t such a critical change in comparision to the fighters.

This should give you thoughts to think about - That even half of the players who know the feature very long dislike it.

It is, the vertical strafe is as fast as the horizontal.

This isn’t the whole thingy. You can strafe in other directions, which your enemy CAN’T (!!) counter with strafe if he hasn’t the patch installed. This is major point.

Please don’t think just about yourself….maybe you like it, but don’t forcer others to do so as well. With such a feature maybe many players get statisfied - But you shall never forget about those who don’t and who will HATE it. You just can’t leave them out of the discussion

(The biggest point is simple, it affects the gameplay very much)

oh ffs dont cry, i can kill any updownstrafer even if i dont use this, point is some people are just lazy to get some new challange you can become good in combat only if u learn to adapt…on your enemy.

No need to get aggressive on either side. I don’t want to lock this; don’t make me have to start dealing warnings.

Oh, and we are allowed to make this decision for all the vanilla or modded servers?
We aren’t allowed to make this decision, are we?