Cruisers, battleships in game

Timmy51m

[Good]
nickname = custom_li_cruiser_package
category = ship
hull = custom_li_cruiser_hull
addon = ge_lfr_engine_01, internal, 1
addon = li_freighter_power01, internal, 1
addon = ge_s_scanner_02, internal, 1
addon = sfx_rumble_cruiser, internal, 1
addon = li_cruiser_forward_gun01, HpWeapon01, 1
addon = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpHeadLight01, 1
addon = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpHeadLight02, 1
addon = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight03, 1
addon = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight04, 1
addon = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight05, 1
addon = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight06, 1
addon = shield01_mark10_cruiser, HpShield01, 1

“addon = sfx_rumble_cruiser, internal, 1”

Should that be there?

VNM51

I dont know, thats why i opened this topic.
Anyway i checked couple of mods, and this sfx can be found for li_cruiser.

Timmy51m

Well the only other thing I can see is that you have a torpedo hardpoint in shiparch but you didn’t mention adding one to the cmp, don’t think it has one as standard.

Freestalker.fr

I think it is a special campaign thing. When walker explodes his ship to let trent & cie to leave alaska system he surely uses that.

Skotty

From where do you get these fuses? fuse = li_cruiser_body_player_fuse, 0.000000, 1
This one does not exist, so the game crashes surely.

VNM51

@Timmy

Just forgot to write, i ve had that hardpoint too, but its no reason to get CTD.

@Skotty

From where do you get these fuses? fuse = li_cruiser_body_player_fuse, 0.000000, 1 This one does not exist, so the game crashes surely.

I just added that player tag for buyable ship i have seen this tag in other mods, but now you ask, i think i forgot to define this fuse in equip folder. Thanks

@Freestalker

So, you mean that sfx need only when Walker went into that dreadnought in Alaska?

EDIT: Is it possible that li_freighter engine and power are small for this ship?

Skotty

The engine and power are to small. Use the li cruiser engine (look in the engine_equip for “lc_”.
The SFX is not a crash reason. It just adds some rumbling sound to your ship, so it sounds big.

Oh and: fuses are no equipment for ships. Fuses are fuses.
Just remove the 3 fuses for testing.

VNM51

Fine. What about cruiser power? There is no cruiser power at least i havent found that, leave that freighter power as it is?

Xarian_Prime

explosion_resistance = 0.900000 <<–- WTF??? on a shiparch??

try removing that first, Engine & power won’t crash unless its not defined… there are no restrictions in the normal game, any engine/power will mount on any ship via a goods entry… you’ll just get a lower underpowered one… and with BS ships…& a trader loadout you’ll probably just sit there with not enough power to do anything.

try stripping the goods line by line… you only really need the following to work

addon = ship_engine_01, internal, 1
addon = ship_power01, internal, 1
addon = ge_s_scanner_01, internal, 1
addon = ge_s_tractor_01, internal, 1

& any lights/contrails you want active
Battleships don’t normally have shields either

VNM51

@Xarian m8

So, the better way to reduce the cruiser’s mass for freighter engines… (?)
I guess making new entry for custom cruiser power a bit harder… or not?

Skotty

If you think that this is needed, just do it! It’s your cruiser.

VNM51

@Skotty

what is needed?

As theres no entry for cruiser power what else should i do?
Or i dont understand your reply.

Xarian_Prime

Oki… lets look at this a second

In short… yes, when in doubt… make your own to test with… that’s the joy of modding really. This applys to almost every aspect of making anything… EVER… so… that bita wisdom aside…

You are starting to get the idea here Davis, yes a traders engine won’t have the necessary thrust to counter the battleship/cruisers mass… you can in theory have a powerplant with small values and still have a functional ship… but the engine is key to flight here and here’s where you should start, regardless of your crash … its just good practice.

Now… There’s a whole bevy of engines already in the game that cater for all classes but in my experience when working on bringing back the Battleships & Other non flyables for player use… its best to just leave the originals alone and make some “copys” … why? you ask… well balance really… and agian… its good practice and easy too for what your doing you can even use the same IDS numbers (though not desired) just tag them differently in the INI IE: my_bs_engine01

also… try to get as close to possible to the original from the start (for anything) then “mod up” from there… make it work… then mod it… well that’s what works for me anyways lol & when in doubt, revert back to your previous backup (you do make backups i hope?) and start again after sleeping on it a bit 8-)

VNM51

@ Xarian

Ive never made new powerplants, engines (except recoloring) nor capitals ingame thats why i asked about it.
Just because i have an idea thats not sure to gonna work, and get CTD every time, is not enjoyable, at least to me, and when im on the verge of givin up, i rather ask, if nobody responds i continue, and sooner or later i find something. But thats dead-time and a bit boring, and why do i get headache if someone knows the solution or spots the problem, next time i will take care of it.

Anyway your guideline is fine, i will try what you mentioned.

Thanks a lot

(you do make backups i hope?)

5 separate places, after my vga gettin ill

Quarks

Did you modify anything else exept the things for that cruiser? And where do you want to sell it? Make sure you don’t have more than three ship packages to sell on the station/planet.

VNM51

@ Xarian

Everything works fine, so far

Just the freighter’s engine cone little for cruiser, so im working on new entries, but the cruiser is flyable.

Thanks again

Skotty

Just use the cruiser engine
should be ge_lc_engine01 or ge_lc_engine_01.

VNM51

I got CTD when i used the orig cruiser engine, with freighter entries it works fine. I rather make an other engine entry based on the li_freighter but bigger cones.

AestheticDemon

 <data file="data\ships\shiparch.ini" method="append"><source>
[Ship]
ids_name = 237031
ids_info = 66565
nickname = li_cruiser_pl
LODranges = 0, 200, 400, 600, 1000, 6000
msg_id_prefix = gcs_refer_shiparch_Libc
cockpit = Cockpits\liberty\l_freighter.ini
HpCockpit=DpCntrltwr
shield_link=l_freighter_shield01, HpMount, HpEngine01, DpCntrltwr
hp_type = hp_freighter_shield_special_10, DpCntrltwr
max_bank_angle = 15
camera_offset = 15, 150 ; 25, 180
camera_angular_acceleration = 0.060000
camera_horizontal_turn_angle = 20
camera_vertical_turn_up_angle = 10
camera_vertical_turn_down_angle = 20
camera_turn_look_ahead_slerp_amount = 1.000000
strafe_force = 40000.000000
mission_property = can_use_large_moors
;type = CRUISER
type = FREIGHTER
ship_class= 2
DA_archetype = ships\liberty\li_cruiser\li_cruiser.cmp
material_library = ships\liberty\li_capships.mat
material_library = fx\envmapbasic.mat
envmap_material = envmapbasic
linear_drag = 1.000000
mass = 5000.000000
hold_size = 1000
hit_pts = 43300
explosion_arch = explosion_instant
fuse = li_cruiser_body_fuse, 0.000000, 1
fuse = li_cruiser_burning_fuse01, 0.000000, 10825
fuse = li_cruiser_burning_fuse02, 0.000000, 5413
surface_hit_effects = 0, small_hull_hit_light01, small_hull_hit_light02, small_hull_hit_light03
surface_hit_effects = 150, small_hull_hit_medium01, small_hull_hit_medium02, small_hull_hit_medium03
surface_hit_effects = 300, small_hull_hit_heavy01, small_hull_hit_heavy02, small_hull_hit_heavy03
steering_torque = 20000000.000000, 20000000.000000, 20000000.000000
angular_drag = 132000000.000000, 132000000.000000, 132000000.000000
rotation_inertia = 40000000.000000, 40000000.000000, 40000000.000000
nudge_force = 300000.000000
HP_bay_surface = HpBayDoor01
HP_bay_external = HpBayDoor02
HP_tractor_source = HpTractor_Source
num_exhaust_nozzles = 4</data> 

 <data file="DATA\EQUIPMENT\goods.ini" method="append"><source>
[Good]
nickname = li_cruiser_pl_hull
category = shiphull
ship = li_cruiser_pl
price = 15 ;00
ids_name = 237031

[Good]
nickname = li_cruiser_package
category = ship
hull = li_cruiser_pl_hull
addon = infinite_power
addon = ge_s_scanner_02
addon = ge_s_tractor_01
addon = ge_lc_engine_01
addon = sfx_rumble_cruiser
addon = li_cruiser_forward_gun01, HpWeapon01
addon = li_cruiser_turret01, HpTurret_L5_01
addon = li_cruiser_turret01, HpTurret_L5_02
addon = li_cruiser_missile_turret01, HpTurret_L5_03
addon = li_cruiser_missile_turret01, HpTurret_L5_04
addon = li_cruiser_turret01, HpTurret_L5_05
addon = li_cruiser_turret01, HpTurret_L5_06
addon = li_cruiser_turret01, HpTurret_L5_07
addon = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpHeadLight01
addon = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpHeadLight02
addon = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight03
addon = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight06
addon = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight08
addon = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight09</data> 

 <data file="DATA\EQUIPMENT\misc_equip.ini" method="append"><source>

[Power]
nickname = my_power_01
ids_name = 0 ;GENERATESTRRES("My Power Converter")
ids_info = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><tra data="1" mask="1" def="-2"><just loc="center"><text>My Power Converter</text><para><para><tra data="0" mask="1" def="-1"><just loc="left"><text>CLASSIFIED</text><para><para></para></para></just></tra></para></para></just></tra></push></rdl></xml>")
volume = 0.000000
mass = 10
DA_archetype = equipment\models\hardware\li_fusion_reactor.3db
material_library = equipment\models\hardware.mat
capacity = 18000
charge_rate = 6000
thrust_capacity = 1500
thrust_charge_rate = 100
lootable = false</data>

Stick that in an xml script file in your mod folder, FLMM will read that, and create a player flyable Liberty Cruiser, with a slot for a class 10 freighter shield if you want to buy one.

There is also an example of how you would add a custom power converter if you wanted one for the ship, dont use that one though, not large enough really for a capship.

Just add the market goods entry for the package as you would for any new ship…

 <data file="DATA\Equipment\market_ships.ini" method="append"><source>

[BaseGood]
base = Li01_03_base
;***pittsburgh
; *** New Ships ***
marketgood = li_cruiser_package, 1, -1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1</data>

VNM51

Thanks for the info, but all I want to make a new engine entry which is based on the nomad fighter engine (ge_nf_engine_01) but as big as the li_cruiser engine (ge_lc_engine_01) for cruiser class of course. I haven’t played with it for a while so my knowledge is rusty.