Cruisers, battleships in game

Skotty

If you think that this is needed, just do it! It’s your cruiser.

VNM51

what is needed?

As theres no entry for cruiser power what else should i do?
Or i dont understand your reply.

Xarian_Prime

Oki… lets look at this a second

In short… yes, when in doubt… make your own to test with… that’s the joy of modding really. This applys to almost every aspect of making anything… EVER… so… that bita wisdom aside…

You are starting to get the idea here Davis, yes a traders engine won’t have the necessary thrust to counter the battleship/cruisers mass… you can in theory have a powerplant with small values and still have a functional ship… but the engine is key to flight here and here’s where you should start, regardless of your crash … its just good practice.

Now… There’s a whole bevy of engines already in the game that cater for all classes but in my experience when working on bringing back the Battleships & Other non flyables for player use… its best to just leave the originals alone and make some “copys” … why? you ask… well balance really… and agian… its good practice and easy too for what your doing you can even use the same IDS numbers (though not desired) just tag them differently in the INI IE: my_bs_engine01

also… try to get as close to possible to the original from the start (for anything) then “mod up” from there… make it work… then mod it… well that’s what works for me anyways lol & when in doubt, revert back to your previous backup (you do make backups i hope?) and start again after sleeping on it a bit 8-)

VNM51

@ Xarian

Ive never made new powerplants, engines (except recoloring) nor capitals ingame thats why i asked about it.
Just because i have an idea thats not sure to gonna work, and get CTD every time, is not enjoyable, at least to me, and when im on the verge of givin up, i rather ask, if nobody responds i continue, and sooner or later i find something. But thats dead-time and a bit boring, and why do i get headache if someone knows the solution or spots the problem, next time i will take care of it.

Anyway your guideline is fine, i will try what you mentioned.

Thanks a lot

(you do make backups i hope?)

5 separate places, after my vga gettin ill

Quarks

Did you modify anything else exept the things for that cruiser? And where do you want to sell it? Make sure you don’t have more than three ship packages to sell on the station/planet.

VNM51

@ Xarian

Everything works fine, so far

Just the freighter’s engine cone little for cruiser, so im working on new entries, but the cruiser is flyable.

Thanks again

Skotty

Just use the cruiser engine
should be ge_lc_engine01 or ge_lc_engine_01.

VNM51

I got CTD when i used the orig cruiser engine, with freighter entries it works fine. I rather make an other engine entry based on the li_freighter but bigger cones.

AestheticDemon

 <data file="data\ships\shiparch.ini" method="append"><source>
[Ship]
ids_name = 237031
ids_info = 66565
nickname = li_cruiser_pl
LODranges = 0, 200, 400, 600, 1000, 6000
msg_id_prefix = gcs_refer_shiparch_Libc
cockpit = Cockpits\liberty\l_freighter.ini
HpCockpit=DpCntrltwr
shield_link=l_freighter_shield01, HpMount, HpEngine01, DpCntrltwr
hp_type = hp_freighter_shield_special_10, DpCntrltwr
max_bank_angle = 15
camera_offset = 15, 150 ; 25, 180
camera_angular_acceleration = 0.060000
camera_horizontal_turn_angle = 20
camera_vertical_turn_up_angle = 10
camera_vertical_turn_down_angle = 20
camera_turn_look_ahead_slerp_amount = 1.000000
strafe_force = 40000.000000
mission_property = can_use_large_moors
;type = CRUISER
type = FREIGHTER
ship_class= 2
DA_archetype = ships\liberty\li_cruiser\li_cruiser.cmp
material_library = ships\liberty\li_capships.mat
material_library = fx\envmapbasic.mat
envmap_material = envmapbasic
linear_drag = 1.000000
mass = 5000.000000
hold_size = 1000
hit_pts = 43300
explosion_arch = explosion_instant
fuse = li_cruiser_body_fuse, 0.000000, 1
fuse = li_cruiser_burning_fuse01, 0.000000, 10825
fuse = li_cruiser_burning_fuse02, 0.000000, 5413
surface_hit_effects = 0, small_hull_hit_light01, small_hull_hit_light02, small_hull_hit_light03
surface_hit_effects = 150, small_hull_hit_medium01, small_hull_hit_medium02, small_hull_hit_medium03
surface_hit_effects = 300, small_hull_hit_heavy01, small_hull_hit_heavy02, small_hull_hit_heavy03
steering_torque = 20000000.000000, 20000000.000000, 20000000.000000
angular_drag = 132000000.000000, 132000000.000000, 132000000.000000
rotation_inertia = 40000000.000000, 40000000.000000, 40000000.000000
nudge_force = 300000.000000
HP_bay_surface = HpBayDoor01
HP_bay_external = HpBayDoor02
HP_tractor_source = HpTractor_Source
num_exhaust_nozzles = 4</data> 

 <data file="DATA\EQUIPMENT\goods.ini" method="append"><source>
[Good]
nickname = li_cruiser_pl_hull
category = shiphull
ship = li_cruiser_pl
price = 15 ;00
ids_name = 237031

[Good]
nickname = li_cruiser_package
category = ship
hull = li_cruiser_pl_hull
addon = infinite_power
addon = ge_s_scanner_02
addon = ge_s_tractor_01
addon = ge_lc_engine_01
addon = sfx_rumble_cruiser
addon = li_cruiser_forward_gun01, HpWeapon01
addon = li_cruiser_turret01, HpTurret_L5_01
addon = li_cruiser_turret01, HpTurret_L5_02
addon = li_cruiser_missile_turret01, HpTurret_L5_03
addon = li_cruiser_missile_turret01, HpTurret_L5_04
addon = li_cruiser_turret01, HpTurret_L5_05
addon = li_cruiser_turret01, HpTurret_L5_06
addon = li_cruiser_turret01, HpTurret_L5_07
addon = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpHeadLight01
addon = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpHeadLight02
addon = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight03
addon = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight06
addon = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight08
addon = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight09</data> 

 <data file="DATA\EQUIPMENT\misc_equip.ini" method="append"><source>

[Power]
nickname = my_power_01
ids_name = 0 ;GENERATESTRRES("My Power Converter")
ids_info = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><tra data="1" mask="1" def="-2"><just loc="center"><text>My Power Converter</text><para><para><tra data="0" mask="1" def="-1"><just loc="left"><text>CLASSIFIED</text><para><para></para></para></just></tra></para></para></just></tra></push></rdl></xml>")
volume = 0.000000
mass = 10
DA_archetype = equipment\models\hardware\li_fusion_reactor.3db
material_library = equipment\models\hardware.mat
capacity = 18000
charge_rate = 6000
thrust_capacity = 1500
thrust_charge_rate = 100
lootable = false</data>

Stick that in an xml script file in your mod folder, FLMM will read that, and create a player flyable Liberty Cruiser, with a slot for a class 10 freighter shield if you want to buy one.

There is also an example of how you would add a custom power converter if you wanted one for the ship, dont use that one though, not large enough really for a capship.

Just add the market goods entry for the package as you would for any new ship…

 <data file="DATA\Equipment\market_ships.ini" method="append"><source>

[BaseGood]
base = Li01_03_base
;***pittsburgh
; *** New Ships ***
marketgood = li_cruiser_package, 1, -1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1</data>

VNM51

Thanks for the info, but all I want to make a new engine entry which is based on the nomad fighter engine (ge_nf_engine_01) but as big as the li_cruiser engine (ge_lc_engine_01) for cruiser class of course. I haven’t played with it for a while so my knowledge is rusty.

AestheticDemon

Davis wrote:
Thanks for the info, but all I want to make a new engine entry which is based on the nomad fighter engine (ge_nf_engine_01) but as big as the li_cruiser engine (ge_lc_engine_01) for cruiser class of course. I haven’t played with it for a while so my knowledge is rusty.

Ahh, well that would mean editing the engine effects ale to make a nomad fighter style engine in a capship size,

the other two nomad engines, are quite large and have additional effects that mean they might not suit, but you could try the nomad gunboat engine as a base

VNM51

I know that what i don’t know–->how

Quarks

For the start I would just use the original liberty cruiser’s flame effect by replacing the effect reference in your new engine with:

flame_effect = gf_li_largeengine01_fire

As editing effect files is rather difficult.

VNM51

Quarks wrote:
For the start I would just use the original liberty cruiser’s flame effect by replacing the effect reference in your new engine with:

flame_effect = gf_li_largeengine01_fire

As editing effect files is rather difficult.

As I wrote I want to use the li_cruiser engine with flame effect of nomad engine and, of course make a new engine entry for it.
So, make it clear:

[Engine]
nickname = ge_lc_engine_01
ids_name = 263887
ids_info = 264887
volume = 400
mass = 10
max_force = 300000
linear_drag = 10000
reverse_fraction = 0.1
flame_effect = gf_li_largeengine01_fire –-> flame_effect = gf_no_smallengine01_fire
trail_effect = gf_li_largeengine01_trail –-> trail_effect = gf_no_smallengine01_trail
cruise_charge_time = 5
cruise_power_usage = 20
rumble_sound = rumble_cruiser
rumble_atten_range = -5, 0
rumble_pitch_range = -25, 25
cruise_start_sound = engine_li_cruise_start
cruise_loop_sound = engine_li_cruise_loop
cruise_stop_sound = engine_li_cruise_stop
indestructible = false
outside_cone_attenuation = -3
inside_sound_cone = 90
outside_sound_cone = 270

The red marked entries come from the preferences of ge_nf_engine_01 but they are smaller. I guess I have to resizing them up to the cruiser engine’s size or not I don’t remember. This is my question.

ps:
Anyway, adding effects to the engines isn’t difficult you can add weapon effects etc… that’s ok. What I don’t remember: do these effects hold their parameters or they adapt to the engine’s size? Huh I hope you understand what I want to ask, late night here and I barely see the screen.

AestheticDemon

well thats how, like the ‘custom power’ example I gave you, custom engines are the same, just a different ini…


; *************
; Engines
; *************

 <data file="DATA\EQUIPMENT\engine_equip.ini" method="append"><source>

[Engine]
nickname = ad_raptor_dest_engine_01
ids_name = 263887
ids_info = 264887
volume = 000.000000
mass = 10
max_force = 250000
linear_drag = 5000
reverse_fraction = 0.300000
flame_effect = gf_li_largeengine01_fire
;trail_effect = gf_li_largeengine01_trail
trail_effect = gf_co_smallengine03_trail
cruise_charge_time = 5
cruise_power_usage = 20
rumble_sound = rumble_cruiser
rumble_atten_range = -5, 0
rumble_pitch_range = -25, 25
cruise_start_sound = engine_li_cruise_start
cruise_loop_sound = engine_li_cruise_loop
cruise_stop_sound = engine_li_cruise_stop
indestructible = false
outside_cone_attenuation = -3
inside_sound_cone = 90
outside_sound_cone = 270</data>

That’s based off a liberty cruiser engine, for a custom liberty destroyer
That s the flmm script to make a new engine, to use it for a player ship, just put your new engine name in the

addon = [enginename], internal, 1

line in the ship package code.

For an npc ship, there is a similar line in the loadouts inis, loadouts.ini for small or player ships

The other loadout ini’s are for npc transports and warships.

the syntax changes to

equip = [enginename], internal, 1

As for your RED highlighted entries, as I said earlier, to resize the engine effects from a nomad fighter engine to fit a cruiser, you would need to edit the ale file with an ale editor, OR use larger effects, such as the ones from the nomad gunboat, however, when using nomad engine effects, be aware that you might need to MOVE the hpengine?? hardpoints forwards, as they dont follow the same setup as regular engine effects, since they were intended to add internal effects to a transparent hull as well as the engine fire/trail.

The gunboats engine effects are in here


[Engine]
nickname = ge_ng_engine_01
ids_name = 263905
ids_info = 264905
volume = 400.000000
mass = 10
max_force = 360000
linear_drag = 3000
reverse_fraction = 0.100000
flame_effect = gf_no_largeengine01
cruise_charge_time = 5
cruise_power_usage = 20
rumble_sound = rumble_nomad
rumble_atten_range = -5, 0
rumble_pitch_range = -25, 25
cruise_start_sound = engine_no_cruise_start
cruise_loop_sound = engine_no_cruise_loop
cruise_stop_sound = engine_no_cruise_stop
indestructible = false
outside_cone_attenuation = -3
inside_sound_cone = 90
outside_sound_cone = 270
lootable = false

[Engine]
nickname = ge_nb_engine_01
ids_name = 263906
ids_info = 264906
volume = 400.000000
mass = 10
max_force = 3000000
linear_drag = 100000
reverse_fraction = 0.100000
flame_effect = gf_no_largeengine02
cruise_charge_time = 5
cruise_power_usage = 20
rumble_sound = rumble_nomad
indestructible = false
outside_cone_attenuation = -3
inside_sound_cone = 90
outside_sound_cone = 270
lootable = false

Ok?

AestheticDemon

If you decide to move the hardpoints, you will want to clone the original cruiser mesh with the FL model cloner so it doesnt conflict with the original, write your new ship script to use the 'new mesh, and add your new custom engine/power/whatever in the new package file.

If the effect you are using doesnt fit, you will have to edit the ale, there should be tutorials on that somewhere along with links to a working version of the ale editor, if its still available.

VNM51

AD;

You actually answered my question, ale modification is needed that’s what I wanted to avoid.
Anyway I want to use it for a custom cruiser I made but the color and trail effects of the orig lc_engine doesn’t fit. Hping isn’t a problem because it’s a custom vessel.
I will try the gunboat engine’s effects and we shall see.

Thanks

~D

Edit: I tried the ng_engine, it is good in size but it also has additional effects at the front.

VNM51

Anyway, how can I use the gf_no_largeengine as effect on Hp?

This one doesn’t work:

equip = fx_gf_no_largeengine01, HpFX01

It doesnt work without fx tag too.

AestheticDemon

OK, , erm….

First of all, gonna show you some code entries for a custom capship, used by npcs, so you can see how the script goes together, ok…

First define your ship…

 <data file="data\ships\shiparch.ini" method="append"><source>
[Ship]
ids_name = 0 ;GENERATESTRRES("Nuit Destroyer")
ids_info = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><text><para><tra data="1" mask="1" def="-2"><just loc="center"><text>Stats</text><para><tra data="0" mask="1" def="-1"><just loc="left"><text><para><text>Guns/Turrets: 0/11</text><para><text>Armor: 19200</text><para><text>Cargo Holds: 2000</text><para><text>Max Batteries/NanoBots: 40/80</text><para><text>Optimal Weapon Class: 10</text><para><text>Max. Weapon Class: 10</text><para><text>Additional Equipment: 8xM, 2xCM</text><para><para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></text></just></tra></para></just></tra></para></text></push></rdl></xml>")
ids_info1 = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><tra data="1" mask="1" def="-2"><just loc="center"><text>Ra Frigate</text><para><tra data="0" mask="1" def="-1"><just loc="left"><para><text>The Ra Frigate is based on a heavily modified freighter design, intended to provide the Liberty Corporations with a heavily armed cargo vessel that can double as a Capital ship in Corporate wars.</text><para><para><text>[CLASSIFIED]</text><para></para></para></para></para></just></tra></para></just></tra></push></rdl></xml>")
ids_info2 = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><tra data="1" mask="1" def="-2"><text>Stats</text><para><tra data="0" mask="1" def="-1"><text><para><text>Gun/Turret Mounts:</text><para><text>Armor:</text><para><text>Cargo Space:</text><para><text>Max Batteries/NanoBots:</text><para><text>Optimal Weapon Class:</text><para><text>Max. Weapon Class:</text><para><text>Additional Equipment:</text> <para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></text></tra></para></tra></push></rdl></xml>")
ids_info3 = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><text><para><text><para><text>0/11</text><para><text>19200</text><para><text>2000</text><para><text>40/80</text><para><text>10</text><para><text>10</text><para><text>8xM, 2xCM</text><para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></text></para></text></push></rdl></xml>")
nickname = ADNuit-Player
LODranges = 0, 999999, 999999, 999999, 999999
msg_id_prefix = gcs_refer_shiparch_Libc
;mission_property = can_use_berths
;mission_property = can_use_med_moors
mission_property = can_use_large_moors
ship_class = 2
type = Freighter
;type = CRUISER
state_graph = CRUISER
pilot_mesh=generic_pilot
mass = 3000
hit_pts = 40000
hold_size = 1000
linear_drag = 1
steering_torque = 600000, 600000, 1200000
angular_drag = 1200000, 1200000, 2400000
rotation_inertia = 180000, 180000, 180000
nudge_force = 30000 ;30000
strafe_force = 40000 ;20000
strafe_power_usage = 200
max_bank_angle = 20
camera_offset = 15, 150 ; 25, 180
camera_angular_acceleration = 0.060000
camera_horizontal_turn_angle = 20
camera_vertical_turn_up_angle = 10
camera_vertical_turn_down_angle = 20
camera_turn_look_ahead_slerp_amount = 1.000000
nanobot_limit = 225
shield_battery_limit = 225
DA_archetype = ships\Custom\ADNuit\ADNuit.cmp
material_library = ships\Custom\ADNuit\ADNuit.mat
material_library = fx\envmapbasic.mat
envmap_material = envmapbasic
cockpit = ships\Custom\ADNuit\ADNuit.ini
explosion_arch = explosion_ge_atransport
surface_hit_effects = 0, small_hull_hit_light01, small_hull_hit_light02, small_hull_hit_light03
surface_hit_effects = 150, small_hull_hit_medium01, small_hull_hit_medium02, small_hull_hit_medium03
surface_hit_effects = 300, small_hull_hit_heavy01, small_hull_hit_heavy02, small_hull_hit_heavy03
fuse = li_cruiser_body_fuse, 0.000000, 1
fuse = li_cruiser_burning_fuse01, 0.000000, 10825
fuse = li_cruiser_burning_fuse02, 0.000000, 5413
explosion_arch = explosion_instant
bay_door_anim = Sc_open baydoor
bay_doors_open_snd = cargo_doors_open
bay_doors_close_snd = cargo_doors_close
HP_bay_surface = HpBayDoor01
HP_bay_external = HpBayDoor02
num_exhaust_nozzles = 3
shield_link=l_freighter_shield01, HpMount, HpEngine01, HpShield01, HpShield02, HpShield03, HpShield04
hp_type = hp_freighter_shield_special_10, HpShield01, HpShield02, HpShield03, HpShield04
HP_tractor_source = HpTractor_Source
hp_type = hp_thruster, HpThruster01
hp_type = hp_mine_dropper, HpMine01, HpMine02, HpMine03
hp_type = hp_countermeasure_dropper, HpCM01, HpCM02
hp_type = hp_torpedo_special_2, HpTorpedo01, HpTorpedo02, HpTorpedo03, HpTorpedo04 ; Cruise Disruptor Hardpoint
hp_type = hp_torpedo_special_1, HpTorpedo01, HpTorpedo02, HpTorpedo03, HpTorpedo04 ; Torpedo Hardpoint
hp_type = hp_gun_special_10, HpWeapon01 ;, HpWeapon02
hp_type = hp_turret_special_10, HpTurret_K1_01, HpTurret_K1_02, HpTurret_K2_01, HpTurret_K2_02, HpTurret_K2_03, HpTurret_K2_04, HpTurret_L2_01, HpTurret_R2_01, HpTurret_K3_01, HpTurret_K3_02, HpTurret_K3_03, HpTurret_L3_01, HpTurret_L3_02, HpTurret_L3_03, HpTurret_R3_01, HpTurret_R3_02, HpTurret_R3_03
hp_type = hp_cargo_pod, HpCargo01

[Ship]
ids_name = 0 ;GENERATESTRRES("Nuit Destroyer")
ids_info = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><text><para><tra data="1" mask="1" def="-2"><just loc="center"><text>Stats</text><para><tra data="0" mask="1" def="-1"><just loc="left"><text><para><text>Guns/Turrets: 0/11</text><para><text>Armor: 19200</text><para><text>Cargo Holds: 2000</text><para><text>Max Batteries/NanoBots: 40/80</text><para><text>Optimal Weapon Class: 10</text><para><text>Max. Weapon Class: 10</text><para><text>Additional Equipment: 8xM, 2xCM</text><para><para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></text></just></tra></para></just></tra></para></text></push></rdl></xml>")
ids_info1 = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><tra data="1" mask="1" def="-2"><just loc="center"><text>Ra Frigate</text><para><tra data="0" mask="1" def="-1"><just loc="left"><para><text>The Ra Frigate is based on a heavily modified freighter design, intended to provide the Liberty Corporations with a heavily armed cargo vessel that can double as a Capital ship in Corporate wars.</text><para><para><text>[CLASSIFIED]</text><para></para></para></para></para></just></tra></para></just></tra></push></rdl></xml>")
ids_info2 = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><tra data="1" mask="1" def="-2"><text>Stats</text><para><tra data="0" mask="1" def="-1"><text><para><text>Gun/Turret Mounts:</text><para><text>Armor:</text><para><text>Cargo Space:</text><para><text>Max Batteries/NanoBots:</text><para><text>Optimal Weapon Class:</text><para><text>Max. Weapon Class:</text><para><text>Additional Equipment:</text> <para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></text></tra></para></tra></push></rdl></xml>")
ids_info3 = 0 ;GENERATEXMLRES("<xml><rdl><push><text><para><text><para><text>0/11</text><para><text>19200</text><para><text>2000</text><para><text>40/80</text><para><text>10</text><para><text>10</text><para><text>8xM, 2xCM</text><para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></para></text></para></text></push></rdl></xml>")
nickname = ADNuit
LODranges = 0, 999999, 999999, 999999, 999999
msg_id_prefix = gcs_refer_shiparch_Libc
mission_property = can_use_large_moors
;ship_class = 2
;type = Freighter
type = Cruiser
;type = CAPITAL
;type = transport
state_graph = CRUISER
pilot_mesh=generic_pilot
mass = 4000 ; 2000
hit_pts = 40000
hold_size = 1000
linear_drag = 1
steering_torque = 600000, 600000, 1200000
angular_drag = 1200000, 1200000, 2400000
rotation_inertia = 180000, 180000, 180000
nudge_force = 30000 ;30000
strafe_force = 40000 ;20000
strafe_power_usage = 200
max_bank_angle = 20
camera_offset = 25, 180
camera_angular_acceleration = 0.060000
camera_horizontal_turn_angle = 20
camera_vertical_turn_up_angle = 10
camera_vertical_turn_down_angle = 20
camera_turn_look_ahead_slerp_amount = 1.000000
nanobot_limit = 225
shield_battery_limit = 225
DA_archetype = ships\Custom\ADNuit\ADNuit.cmp
material_library = ships\Custom\ADNuit\ADNuit.mat
material_library = fx\envmapbasic.mat
envmap_material = envmapbasic
cockpit = ships\Custom\ADNuit\ADNuit.ini
explosion_arch = explosion_ge_atransport
surface_hit_effects = 0, small_hull_hit_light01, small_hull_hit_light02, small_hull_hit_light03
surface_hit_effects = 150, small_hull_hit_medium01, small_hull_hit_medium02, small_hull_hit_medium03
surface_hit_effects = 300, small_hull_hit_heavy01, small_hull_hit_heavy02, small_hull_hit_heavy03
fuse = li_cruiser_body_fuse, 0.000000, 1
fuse = li_cruiser_burning_fuse01, 0.000000, 10825
fuse = li_cruiser_burning_fuse02, 0.000000, 5413
explosion_arch = explosion_instant
bay_door_anim = Sc_open baydoor
bay_doors_open_snd = cargo_doors_open
bay_doors_close_snd = cargo_doors_close
HP_bay_surface = HpBayDoor01
HP_bay_external = HpBayDoor02
num_exhaust_nozzles = 3
shield_link=l_freighter_shield01, HpMount, HpEngine01, HpShield01, HpShield02, HpShield03, HpShield04
hp_type = hp_freighter_shield_special_10, HpShield01, HpShield02, HpShield03, HpShield04
HP_tractor_source = HpTractor_Source
hp_type = hp_thruster, HpThruster01
hp_type = hp_mine_dropper, HpMine01, HpMine02, HpMine03
hp_type = hp_countermeasure_dropper, HpCM01, HpCM02
hp_type = hp_torpedo_special_2, HpTorpedo01, HpTorpedo02, HpTorpedo03, HpTorpedo04 ; Cruise Disruptor Hardpoint
hp_type = hp_torpedo_special_1, HpTorpedo01, HpTorpedo02, HpTorpedo03, HpTorpedo04 ; Torpedo Hardpoint
hp_type = hp_gun_special_10, HpWeapon01 ;, HpWeapon02
hp_type = hp_turret_special_10, HpTurret_K1_01, HpTurret_K1_02, HpTurret_K2_01, HpTurret_K2_02, HpTurret_K2_03, HpTurret_K2_04, HpTurret_L2_01, HpTurret_R2_01, HpTurret_K3_01, HpTurret_K3_02, HpTurret_K3_03, HpTurret_L3_01, HpTurret_L3_02, HpTurret_L3_03, HpTurret_R3_01, HpTurret_R3_02, HpTurret_R3_03
hp_type = hp_cargo_pod, HpCargo01</data> 

 <data file="DATA\Missions\mShipProps.ini" method="append"><source>
[mShipProps]
archetype_id = ADNuit-Player
;mission_property = can_use_berths
;mission_property = can_use_med_moors
mission_property = can_use_large_moors
state_graph = CRUISER

[mShipProps]
archetype_id = ADNuit
mission_property = can_use_large_moors</data> 

 <data file="DATA\EQUIPMENT\goods.ini" method="append"><source>
[Good]
nickname = ADNuit_hull
category = shiphull
ship = ADNuit-Player
;ship = ADNuit
price = 1 ;7115000
ids_name = 0 ;GENERATESTRRES("Nuit Destroyer")
item_icon = ships\Custom\ADNuit\ADNuit.3db

[Good]
nickname = ADNuit_package
category = ship
hull = ADNuit_hull
addon = sfx_rumble_cruiser, internal, 1
addon = infinite_power, internal, 1 ; Power Generator
;addon = ad_ra_power, internal, 1 ; Power Generator
addon = ad_nuit_engine_01, internal, 1 ; Engine
addon = ad_s_scanner_03, internal, 1 ; Deep Scanner
addon = ad_s_tractor_02, internal, 1
addon = ad_rclaw_shield_fr, HpShield01, 1
addon = ad_rclaw_shield_fr, HpShield02, 1
addon = ad_rclaw_shield_fr, HpShield03, 1
addon = ad_rclaw_shield_fr, HpShield04, 1
addon = contrail01, HpContrail01, 1
addon = contrail01, HpContrail02, 1
addon = contrail01, HpContrail03, 1
addon = contrail01, HpContrail04, 1
addon = SmallRed, HpRunningLight01, 1
addon = SmallRed, HpRunningLight02, 1
addon = SlowMediumWhite, HpRunningLight03, 1
addon = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight04, 1
addon = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight05, 1
addon = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight06, 1
addon = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight07, 1
addon = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight08, 1
addon = SlowMediumRed, HpRunningLight09, 1
addon = SlowMediumGreen, HpRunningLight10, 1
addon = SlowMediumRed, HpDockLight01, 1
addon = SlowMediumGreen, HpDockLight02, 1
addon = SlowMediumRed, HpDockLight03, 1
addon = SlowMediumGreen, HpDockLight04, 1
addon = DockingLightRed, HpDockLight01, 1
addon = DockingLightRed, HpDockLight02, 1
addon = DockingLightRed, HpDockLight03, 1
addon = DockingLightRed, HpDockLight04, 1
addon = DockingLightRed, HpRunningLight03, 1
addon = DockingLightRed, HpRunningLight04, 1
addon = WhiteCone, HpHeadLight01, 1 ; White Cone
addon = WhiteCone, HpHeadLight02, 1 ; White Cone
addon = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpHeadLight01, 1 ; White Cone
addon = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpHeadLight02, 1 ; White Cone
;addon = cargopod_red, HpCargo01

addon = ad_sutekh_thruster,  HpThruster01, 1
addon = ad_sutekh_cm, HpCM01, 1
addon = ad_sutekh_cm, HpCM02, 1
addon = ad_sekhmet_mine, HpMine01
addon = ad_sekhmet_mine, HpMine02
addon = ad_sekhmet_mine, HpMine03
;addon = ad_phantom_mine01, HpMine01
;addon = ad_phantom_mine01, HpMine02
;addon = ad_phantom_mine01, HpMine03
addon = ad_nuit_forward_gun01, HpWeapon01, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret150, HpTurret_K1_01, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret150, HpTurret_K1_02, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_K2_01, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_K2_02, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_K2_03, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_K2_04, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_L2_01, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_R2_01, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_K3_01, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_K3_02, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_K3_03, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_L3_01, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_L3_02, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_L3_03, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_R3_01, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_R3_02, 1
addon = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_R3_03, 1
addon = ad_sutekh_torpedo01, HpTorpedo01, 1
addon = ad_sutekh_torpedo01, HpTorpedo02, 1
addon = ad_sekhmet_torpedo, HpTorpedo03, 1
addon = ad_sekhmet_torpedo, HpTorpedo04, 1</data>

Notice there are TWO ships that use the same mesh, one for players , type Freighter, and one for NPC’s, type Cruiser, because the game handles flight mechanics differently for big npc ships and they are virtually unflyable by mere humans…

Player ships have a ‘package’ that defines what equipment you get when you buy it, npc ships dont have these they use ‘loadouts’

Cap ships go in the special loadouts file, player ships can use these too, but special ships with standard loadouts cause problems, so…

;*** Loadouts for Warships ***

 <data file="data\ships\loadouts_special.ini" method="append"><source>

;**** Npc loadout for Nuit Class Destroyer ****

[Loadout]
nickname = ADNuit_Loadout
archetype = ADNuit
equip = sfx_rumble_cruiser, internal, 1
equip = infinite_power, internal, 1 ; Power Generator
;equip = ad_ra_power, internal, 1 ; Power Generator
equip = ad_nuit_engine_02, internal, 1 ; Engine
equip = ad_s_scanner_03, internal, 1 ; Deep Scanner
equip = ad_s_tractor_02, internal, 1
equip = ad_rclaw_shield_fr, HpShield01, 1
equip = ad_rclaw_shield_fr, HpShield02, 1
equip = ad_rclaw_shield_fr, HpShield03, 1
;equip = ad_rclaw_shield_fr, HpShield04, 1
equip = contrail01, HpContrail01, 1
equip = contrail01, HpContrail02, 1
equip = contrail01, HpContrail03, 1
equip = contrail01, HpContrail04, 1
equip = SmallRed, HpRunningLight01, 1
equip = SmallRed, HpRunningLight02, 1
equip = SlowMediumWhite, HpRunningLight03, 1
equip = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight04, 1
equip = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight05, 1
equip = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight06, 1
equip = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight07, 1
equip = SlowMediumBlue, HpRunningLight08, 1
equip = SlowMediumRed, HpRunningLight09, 1
equip = SlowMediumGreen, HpRunningLight10, 1
equip = SlowMediumRed, HpDockLight01, 1
equip = SlowMediumGreen, HpDockLight02, 1
equip = SlowMediumRed, HpDockLight03, 1
equip = SlowMediumGreen, HpDockLight04, 1
equip = DockingLightRed, HpDockLight01, 1
equip = DockingLightRed, HpDockLight02, 1
equip = DockingLightRed, HpDockLight03, 1
equip = DockingLightRed, HpDockLight04, 1
equip = DockingLightRed, HpRunningLight03, 1
equip = DockingLightRed, HpRunningLight04, 1
equip = WhiteCone, HpHeadLight01, 1 ; White Cone
equip = WhiteCone, HpHeadLight02, 1 ; White Cone
equip = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpHeadLight01, 1 ; White Cone
equip = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpHeadLight02, 1 ; White Cone
;equip = cargopod_red, HpCargo01
equip = ad_sutekh_thruster,  HpThruster01, 1
equip = ad_sutekh_cm, HpCM01, 1
equip = ad_sutekh_cm, HpCM02, 1
equip = ad_sekhmet_mine, HpMine01
equip = ad_sekhmet_mine, HpMine02
equip = ad_sekhmet_mine, HpMine03
equip = ad_nuit_forward_gun01, HpWeapon01, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret150, HpTurret_K1_01, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret150, HpTurret_K1_02, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_K2_01, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_K2_02, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_K2_03, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_K2_04, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_L2_01, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret250, HpTurret_R2_01, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_K3_01, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_K3_02, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_K3_03, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_L3_01, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_L3_02, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_L3_03, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_R3_01, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_R3_02, 1
equip = ad_fleet_turret050, HpTurret_R3_03, 1
equip = ad_sutekh_torpedo01, HpTorpedo01, 1
equip = ad_sutekh_torpedo01, HpTorpedo02, 1
equip = ad_sekhmet_torpedo, HpTorpedo03, 1
equip = ad_sekhmet_torpedo, HpTorpedo04, 1</data>

You can have more than one loadout for the same ship, depending on faction, pilot class etc…

The package and loadout use custom equipment, you had examples of how to make those earlier in the thread…

Now we have to issue the ship to a faction so their npcs can use it…

That means telling the game it IS an npc ship

; *******************
; NPC Ships
; *******************

 <data file="data\missions\npcships.ini" method="append"><source>

[NPCShipArch]
nickname = Nuit_Destroyer
loadout = ADNuit_Loadout
level = d14
ship_archetype = ADNuit
pilot = ad_capship ;cruiser_default ;gunship_ace
state_graph = CAPITAL
npc_class = lawful, unlawful, class_destroyer, class_armored, d1, d2, d3, d4, d5, d6, d7, d8, d9, d10, d11, d12, d13, d14, d15, d16, d17, d18, d19</data>

Then decide who gets the new toy, and what formations they can use with it

; *******************
; Faction Props - Who gets what...
; *******************

 <data file="data\missions\faction_prop.ini" method="sectionappend">[FactionProps]
affiliation = co_vr_grp

<source>
npc_ship = ADPhantom_Co_d1-5
npc_ship = ADPhantom_Co_d6-10
npc_ship = ADPhantom_Co_d11-19
;npc_ship = Geb_Cruiser
;npc_ship = Nuit_Destroyer
npc_ship = Ra_Frigate_NoCap
npc_ship = Maat_Corvette
npc_ship = Ptah_Gunship
;npc_ship = ADCrowTrans
formation = sc_gunships, gunship_box
formation = sc_capital, fleet_ops
formation = sc_fleet2, cruiser-4-escort
formation = sc_fleet3, gunship_box
formation = sc_fleet4, gunship_box</data>

so now we have two ships, one you can sell to a player (see the markets entry in an earlier post for how to do that) and one for npcs, and we have issued the ship to a faction, their npcs will now use that ship depending on the ship class, and what population zones are in your star systems

So lets set up some ship classes

; *******************
; NPC Ship Classes
; *******************
; *** New Cap Ship Encounter Classes ***
; new ship classes for the cap-enc fleet-ops code
; class_ gunship class_gunboat class_ frigate class_destroyer class_cruiser class_battleship

; ** dont need these as vanilla game already has them 

;[ShipClass]
;nickname = sc_gunboats
;member = class_gunboat

;[ShipClass]
;nickname = sc_cruisers
;member = class_cruiser

 <data file="data\missions\shipclasses.ini" method="append"><source>

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_destroyers
member = class_destroyer

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_battleships
member = class_battleship

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_gunships
member = class_gunship
;member = class_gunboat

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_frigates
member = class_frigate

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_capital
member = class_battleship
member = class_cruiser
member = class_destroyer
member = class_frigate

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_fleet1
member = class_battleship
member = class_cruiser

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_fleet2
member = class_cruiser
member = class_destroyer
member = class_frigate

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_fleet3
;member = class_frigate
member = class_gunboat
member = class_gunship

[ShipClass]
nickname = sc_fleet4
member = class_gunship
member = class_fighter</data>

Ok, we have ships and ship classes, and npc entries, what next…

encounters…

; ************* Patrols + Capships...

 <data file="data\missions\encounters\patrolp_assault.ini" method="replace"><dest>[EncounterFormation]
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fighters
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = class_patroller
ship_by_class = 2, 3, sc_fighters, -1
pilot_job = assault_job
formation_by_class = fighters
behavior = patrol_path
arrival = cruise
allow_simultaneous_creation = yes
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[EncounterFormation]
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fighters
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = class_patroller
ship_by_class = 2, 3, sc_fighters, -1
pilot_job = assault_job
formation_by_class = fighters
behavior = patrol_path
arrival = cruise
allow_simultaneous_creation = yes
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[Creation]
permutation = 0, 3
permutation = 1, 1</dest> 
<source>
[EncounterFormation]
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fighters
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = class_patroller
ship_by_class = 2, 3, sc_fighters, -1
pilot_job = assault_job
formation_by_class = fighters
behavior = patrol_path
arrival = cruise
allow_simultaneous_creation = yes
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[EncounterFormation]
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fleet2, +1
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = class_patroller
ship_by_class = 0, 2, sc_fleet3, -1
pilot_job = assault_job
ship_by_class = 0, 2, sc_fleet4, -1
pilot_job = assault_job
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fighters, +1
pilot_job = escort_leader_job
ship_by_class = 1, 3, sc_fighters
pilot_job = escort_job
formation_by_class = sc_fleet2
behavior = patrol_path
arrival = cruise
allow_simultaneous_creation = yes
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[Creation]
permutation = 0, 3
permutation = 1, 1</data> 

; ************* Area Defend
;whats in the file already for info
; 2-3 fighters per patrol
;ship_by_npc_arch = 1, 1, ke_ship
;pilot_job = pilot_0
;formation = delta_high
;longevity = 50
;explicit_group = ku_p_grp

;[EncounterFormation]
;ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fighters
;pilot_job = defend_leader_job
;make_class = wanderer
;ship_by_class = 1, 2, sc_fighters, -1
;pilot_job = defend_job
;make_class = wanderer
;formation_by_class = fighters
;behavior = wander
;arrival = all, -tradelane, -object_jump_gate
;allow_simultaneous_creation = yes
;zone_creation_distance = 0
;times_to_create = infinite

 <data file="data\missions\encounters\area_defend.ini" method="replace"><dest>[Creation]
permutation = 0, 3</dest> 
<source>
[EncounterFormation]
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fleet2
pilot_job = defend_leader_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 2, 2, sc_fleet3
pilot_job = defend_job
make_class = wanderer
formation = cruiser-4-escort
;formation_by_class = sc_fleet2
behavior = wander
arrival = all, -tradelane, -object_jump_gate
allow_simultaneous_creation = yes
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[Creation]
permutation = 0, 3
permutation = 1, 2</data> 

; ************* Area Assault

 <data file="data\missions\encounters\area_assault.ini" method="replace"><dest>[EncounterFormation]
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fighters
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 2, 3, sc_fighters, -1
pilot_job = assault_job
make_class = wanderer
formation_by_class = fighters
behavior = wander
arrival = all, -object_jump_gate, -tradelane
allow_simultaneous_creation = yes
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[Creation]
permutation = 0, 3
permutation = 1, 1</dest> 
<source>
[EncounterFormation]
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fleet2, +1
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 0, 2, sc_fleet3, -1
pilot_job = assault_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 0, 2, sc_fleet4, -1
pilot_job = assault_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_fighters, +1
pilot_job = escort_leader_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 1, 3, sc_fighters
pilot_job = escort_job
make_class = wanderer
formation_by_class = sc_fleet2
behavior = wander
arrival = all, -tradelane, -object_jump_gate
allow_simultaneous_creation = yes
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[Creation]
permutation = 0, 3
permutation = 1, 2</data>

So, now as long as your ships have the right ‘class_whatever’ entries in their npcships definitions, the factions will use the ships, you get a chance of small capship patrols for any faction that 1 has capships, and 2 uses area_assault, area_defend or patrolp_assault encounter types, without having to edit a single star system ini to add them, and generally without having to fill up the area round your stations with loads of lumbering warships, scaring the merchants away and filling your pop caps

“Anyway, how can I use the gf_no_largeengine as effect on Hp?”

Basically you don’t

You use “addon =” to add that ENGINE to a player ship package, or “equip =” to add that engine to an npc ship loadout.

check the package and loadouty entries for the Nuit Destroyer above, see where they have custom engine entries?

equip = ad_nuit_engine_02, internal, 1 ; Engine

You would replace ‘ad_nuit_engine_02’ with for example ‘davis_cruiser_engine_01’.

Then make your custom engine

;**** Engine ****

 <data file="DATA\EQUIPMENT\engine_equip.ini" method="append"><source>

[Engine]
nickname = davis_cruiser_engine_01
ids_name = 263887
ids_info = 264887
volume = 000.000000
mass = 10
max_force = 300000
linear_drag = 10000
reverse_fraction = 0.100000
;flame_effect = gf_li_largeengine01_fire
;trail_effect = gf_li_largeengine01_trail
;**** we comment out the old liberty engine effects and add the new ones we want, there is no trail so we add something else to make it pretty and different...
flame_effect = gf_no_largeengine01
trail_effect = gf_co_smallengine03_trail
cruise_charge_time = 5
cruise_power_usage = 20
rumble_sound = rumble_cruiser
rumble_atten_range = -5, 0
rumble_pitch_range = -25, 25
cruise_start_sound = engine_li_cruise_start
cruise_loop_sound = engine_li_cruise_loop
cruise_stop_sound = engine_li_cruise_stop
indestructible = false
outside_cone_attenuation = -3
inside_sound_cone = 90
outside_sound_cone = 270</data>

So there is your custom engine, like a lib cruiser, but with different effects, then you just stick that in the package and loadout entries for your player only and npc only versions of your capship and TaDa! It should all work, if you didnt mistype, or something…

As for editing the Hp’s, yeah nomad engines do have extra stuff, soooo, you move the hp back and forth till it fits.

you say the fighters effects are too small for the exaust nozzles? How much too small, half the size needed?

use 4 instead of 1, spaced out in the nozzle so they overlap slightly, say 0.75 -1.0 units apart, center to center, so for example if the engine nozzle center was at

0, 0, 70

Your 4 hpengine?? hardpoints would be at

0, 0.75, 70
0, -0.75, 70
0.75, 0, 70
-0.75, 0, 70

I’ve had 12 exaust nozzles on a ship, with no problems…

WARNING hpengineglow?? hardpoints, dont fit more than 8, fit em behind groups of hpengine?? hardpoints, in this example you would only use 1 hpengineglow say at 0, 0, 75

Remember to edit the number of exaust nozzles in the shiparch.ini entries to match the new number of hpengine?? hardpoints…

VNM51

Thanks for the input, but you misunderstand me. I do know how to make new entries for custom ships as I made a lot with proper loadout(s), new formations, infocards etc…
I know if I put more hps for engines there will be larger effect, and I also know how to change effects in the inis (weps, engines etc…)
I had two questions: first question was what you have already answered it was the ale modding. Second is the engine effect (trail, fire) for HpFx.