Missions… Missions...

He wasn’t… but if I was in his position, I wouldn’t have put ROFLMAO… that’s what isn’t fair, not my response (which wasn’t even intended to be offensive in any way)… any help with the matter at hand much appreciated
My bad guys

Hmm that is indeed interesting. I’ll give it a go. Not sure whether I tinkered with that before or not. We’ll see

EDIT - Although surely, this would mean that my nomads wouldn’t be showing up at all, which they are… just not in mvendor/characters…

Well i’ll defo give this another shot mate. Thanks for that. All this input is very much appreciated (<- i’m gonna need a new word soon, that last one is starting to lose all meaning, lol ;D)

Hmm… I updated my config with those changes, but still no difference. They show up in space, but not in the missions. Just out of curiosity, when you added the nomad faction in your mod, did you give them voices, ships (meaning different ships to the default no_fighter-type ones) etc? I know many mods have missions against the nomads, but I noticed all of them (at least all those I’ve seen) use different ships and they have voices. They are the only two differences I can see between what mine is doing and other mods. I’ve try a new ship setup and loadout later and see if that works to confirm this, and i’ve also update the above so I don’t get LOL’ed at again

That’s not what I meant. I know it won’t show at all without any ships That’s kinda obvious. I will do the substitution of other ships though. I’m sure the fighter naming is fine. After all, that’s all it is, a name.

In my faction prop file, I now have it set for various levels, not just 18 & 19, or whatever I have displayed above. And they will only be used in higher level missions anyway, which is set via mbases and the diff-to-money entries, so i’m sure i’ll be covered in that respect. As I understand it, encounters are set via the actual zone entries, while missions are set in mbases, either at the MVendor or a base faction NPC line. So even if I didn’t have a certain Dxx number defined (many mods just have the one difficulty of ship right?) and so it would just pick the closest match and alter the difficulty regardless of the assigned number.

In my encounters file, I have updated the fighter line(s) to be -1 behind the leader. That makes sense. So whatever difficulty he comes in at, they will be slightly less; For what little difference that may make at high levels anyway

I’m getting there. I think i’m really starting to understand the workings of these, and what lines actually seem to have no effect whatsoever. Nothing like superfluity to confuse your day huh! ;D Thanks for the input bud.

The class_fighter fixed it straight away.

I only have the one encounter… the nomads/enemy. I don’t have any order ships in space, so obviously that isn’t needed despite what you are saying there (and other tuts). That’s handy to know If you read my initial snippets above, you would have also seen I had the toughness set in the encounter zone, but that is pointless because it gets overridden by the mission difficulty

Just before I got mknotes suggestion, a friend (Psy) typed me out the most lengthy FL tut I have ever read and sent it to me, lol. Covering all bases I guess, as it ranges from doing a new faction to this mission stuff. I’ll post it later after reading through it fully

Thanks a lot for the response Forsaken ;D

The missions do work. Stop trying ways to cover up what has been said. He said missions won’t work without another allied faction, and they do. And I just tried it. Whether they have an entry or not backup does appear… although it tends to only be the one or two ships and not a full ‘wing’ No doubt that is wrong, and so I will indeed a proper encounter in for them. But it does work none-the-less. And I never said he was wrong. You haven’t given one ounce of decent, useful input here BJ, whereas the others have, and that’s all that matters. Your user title says it quite well.

I thought the whole point of forums like this (or at least certain sections) are there to assist people like me, who admitedlly, aren’t as knowledgeable as a lot of you. That’s why I come here. All the help so far has been great. I don’t expect to be bashed, and I shouldn’t have to and won’t put up with that. All you give me is attitude. You didn’t help me before after I started this thread, throwing out offense, and then you do it again ‘after’ I have found the solution at the end of this thread. If you know so much as you claim why didn’t you suggest what Mknote and Psy did? That sorted me out. If some of you think I simply ‘shrug’ off help, that is simply not the case. I do test out theories of my own as well as test what people ask me to do. And if I find something to work (or not) in practice I will say so. And I sure as hell won’t be penalized for it.

For sure ;D My ambient zone covers the whole system, so i’m ok for vignette coverage hehe

These are the things I have discovered ‘on-the-side’ while working on this, as I always experiment, and actually hate following tutorials (no offence to the authors… I’ve needed to follow some of course)… I tested these quite extensively, so it might be some help to others in the future, and to let certain people know that what they believe so highly in is flawed

• It doesn’t matter if empathy.ini is showing wierd rep changes so long as the factions are in there

• Fighter needs to be ‘class_fighter’ or similar (thanks Psy / Mk)

• There isn’t a requirement to have all difficulties of ship ranging from D1 to Dhigh at all

• In a system ambient pop zone, the system name in it is a convention, not a requirement - thanks Psy

• Sort has no effect; Toughness has no effect; Pop-type has no effect (left in to be safe though) - thanks Psy)

• An opposing faction isn’t needed for missions to work, but you may only get the 1 ship as support as a result

• The randommission level(s) is set via the values in mbases following the: “mission_type =” line

• The values are taking from along the diff2money scale, and directly tie in with mission payout

• These ‘values’ do not need to be exactly what is written there, and can be varied, and far apart

• For ‘standard’ lawful missions, this: “mission_type = unlawful, lawful” isn’t required - thanks DwnUndr

• I’ve had missions working the other way round without: “mission_type = lawful, unlawful”, but this needs more testing

• population_additive works great if used properly in with other zones, despite popular opinion of it ‘crashing’

• Like most, I use FLE only for positioning, but I have never had it screw up mbases like some claim

• Mod backups are bloody fantastic!!!

Cheers.